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28-02-2009, 08:54
I know with the master of the ravenwing you can take bikes as troops, does this also include land speeders somehow? I know 6 bikes can take 1 landspeeder, but is there a way for landspeeders to be troop choices?


28-02-2009, 09:05
Afraid not.

Sammael allows "Ravenwing Attack Squadrons" to be taken as troops and fast attack.

In order for a landspeeder to be taken as troops, it must be part of the Ravenwing attack squadron. So one landspeeder per troops choice in that respect.

28-02-2009, 09:09
Hi Ozeor,
Taking Sammael as an HQ choice allows Ravenwing Attack Squadrons to be taken as a troop choice.
This means in one troop choice you can take :
6 Bikers
1 Attack Bike
1 Landspeeder with Assault Cannon and Heavy Bolter (Tornado Pattern)

now onto the question of whether the landspeeder scores or not, that has been discussed elsewhere and to be honest, I would check with the people you are playing against, because BRB states vehicle troop choices do not score. C:DA (under the Ravenwing attack squadron entry) states that the Attack BIke and Landspeeder MUST combat squad when deployed and from there count as independent scoring units, (note it mnakes no mention that the Ravenwing Attack Squadron needs to be taken as a troop choice)
it's basically fall over from 4th ed Codex into 5th Edition rules and you would have a hard time convincing anyone that a fast attack landspeeder was a scoring unit, (even though by RAW, if you accept Codex > Rulebook thats what it is) whether landspeeder's score as a troop choice? that's probably a negotiation between you and your opponent/tournament organiser, I have noticed the trend is for people to reject the idea of scoring vehicles. Hope that helps!
<Dagnabit, Ninja'd!>

28-02-2009, 09:57
Keep in mind that if your opponent refuses to play per the rules in your Codex, you have every right to find a rule in their Codex and tell them that rule isn't valid for your game either.

28-02-2009, 12:46
I would say they are scoring - it codex trumps rulebook.

If an opponent says that they dont score just remember that it is within your rights to say that his marines may not get storm shields with 3++, or point out other codex errors

02-03-2009, 04:31
Also! Plasmaguns, are they now small blast template weapons?

02-03-2009, 09:06
Also! Plasmaguns, are they now small blast template weapons?

Negative. Plasma Guns are rapid fire weapons, i.e. 1 shot at maximum range or 2 shots up to 12"

02-03-2009, 10:12
check the latest DA FAQ- seems to say (and I haven't read it for a while) that the landspeeder is no longer scoring...

02-03-2009, 15:09
No it does not. It does not even begin to imply such a thing.

02-03-2009, 15:51
No it does not. It does not even begin to imply such a thing.
Agreed. I looked through the FAQ twice, and I couldn't even find a single reference to scoring whatsoever.

In fact just to make sure, I used the handy search function in my adobe program to find any instances of the words "scoring" or "score", and the results came up to "0".

In short, it doesn't address the issue at all.
But in samiens defense, I do recall a FAQ prior to the october 2008 FAQ that alluded something similar to samiens conclusion.
I cant double check to be sure because damned if I can find that FAQ on my HD anymore.

02-03-2009, 17:46
oops, my bad, must have been thinking of something else. RAW then speeders score

03-03-2009, 03:02
So bikers are just normal troops basicly? They cant do hit and run and they get locked into close combat?