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actiondan
12-03-2009, 01:02
Just a lighthearted ranty thread really that came to me whilst reading another post, what rules changes, new codecies etc have been produced that result in a popular bandwagon jump that is close to your heart?
For me it is Vulkan, I have been playing Salamanders since the begining of 3rd ed, saw it through the tough times of -1I for a high grav world (even though that made noooo sense) and 0-1 Assault squads (and Scouts!!!) and now in 5th ed with their new fantastic character everybody is all about the green marines. I can understand why people like like it but I do resent the bandwagon jumping as Im a long term Sallie player and it has been a labour of love for me over the past 10 years. What other bandwagons get your hackles rising?

Nostro
12-03-2009, 01:21
I am with you on Salamanders, I loved them in Armageddon codex but it peeves me now that everybody and his dog fields Vulkan.

I had the same feeling about Ulthwë, my favourite craftworld since 2nd Ed, but ever since the CWE Codex and that seer council madness, and currently the ubiquitous Eldrad, the crowd is just too much to take. :cries:

On a lower level, the multi melta dreadnought. I have the original BA metal one, and it has always been my personal favourite, especially when people has assault canons all over the place. But now it's unfortunately in the AoBR box :(

boogle
12-03-2009, 01:29
Just one question - has anyone seen a good conversion of Vulkan or have people just seen badly done ones, just to he can be used on the tabletop

Desalbert
12-03-2009, 01:30
For me, it's my beloved Orks in general. I've been an Ork Boy since '98, and I toughed it all through that rubbish codex, as the only Ork player I knew too-- Now, the new codex comes in, but I'm indirectly pissed because it's seen as the most overpowered currently, as well as the most popular, currently.

It just rubs me the wrong way seein' all dese grotz wot wanna be Orks, kno' wut I mean? Either ya dakka dakka, or yu'z a puny Eldar, aint nuffin' in 'between!

Having said that in terrible Ork, I also do want to state that I'm getting ready for the same feeling with IG. In fact, when I was 10 or 11, I went to my FLGS to get IG, but they just had catachans, and I wasn't fond of them. Later, when Cadians came to, I enlisted there also, and Love them just as much as Orks, especially in the tough times...

But now I'm getting ready, again, to be seen as a band wagon jumper who plays the (potentially) overpowered and trendy army.

Woe is me that it happened to both my long time favorites... :'(

I try not to think about it or let it bother me.. but still...

I feel like you need certain mentalities to play Orks and IG... for me, my style lends to them both, and if "everyone and their uncles" play IG (and Orks) because their new and hot-- it distills the awesomeness... If that makes any sense.

-Des

Snotteef
12-03-2009, 01:53
I agree about Orks. I haven't even run them in 5th edition (even though I've been playing Orks for 16 years), because of the bandwagon phenomenon.

marv335
12-03-2009, 01:59
I feel your pain.
I used to use a Crimson Fist army.
I went through 2nd and 3rd ed with no love whatsoever, got nerfed horrifically in 4th, and in 5th every man and his dog started CF to get pedro and his scoring sternguard.

Snotteef
12-03-2009, 02:06
I play CFs too. I just don't use Pedro. It's a way to separate real Crimson Fist fans from the Pero-ites. ;D

Koryphaus
12-03-2009, 02:13
I love my Imperial Fists. I think I must be the only Fist player not to use Lysander..

I also have Word Bearers, an uncommon army where I play. Praise be that there aren't any "SCs of Death!" for the bandwagon-jumpers to latch onto..

I do play guard, and I'm a little bit wary of leaping onto them again, what with all the hysteria that will surround them.. All I can say is that I'm glad I don't play either Space Wolves or Dark Eldar (or even Necrons), because there will be much the same reaction there as well..

But stick it out guys, the bandwagon jumpers will move on in a little while, then we'll have our beloved armies all to ourselves again!

SPYDER68
12-03-2009, 02:18
Face it, new army = new rules = new players.


Am i gonna like the swarm to guard ? Nope. do i care thou ? nope.

When DE come out will i be a bandwagon jumper ? Yep, i like the thought of the army, but refuse to use it till they get new models :P

ehlijen
12-03-2009, 02:23
The most annoying bandwagon I've ever seen was the eldar one when suddenly everyone was 'converting' guardians into ridiculous leg-at-angle poses so they could have the 2*3 pathfinders and lots of harlies and prisms army. And then not even paint it before they stop bothering.

boogle
12-03-2009, 02:24
I find it sad that special characters and uber rules are what are attracting people to certain armies, rather than the background

Thoth62
12-03-2009, 03:40
For me it was the Thousand Sons. I played with them for years before the new Chaos Codex came along. Full squads of 4+ invulnerable, ap3, shoot and assault bolters backed up by a force weapon, and you got the whole chaos community plus half the other players on the block coming for a piece.

Rioghan Murchadha
12-03-2009, 04:35
For me it was the Thousand Sons. I played with them for years before the new Chaos Codex came along. Full squads of 4+ invulnerable, ap3, shoot and assault bolters backed up by a force weapon, and you got the whole chaos community plus half the other players on the block coming for a piece.

Meh.. I'm still choked that I can't use my beastmen anymore :p... At least you can tell who's a real TS player since we don't have any of the worthless followers of lesser gods in our armies. Hell, I don't even use chosen or terminators anymore now that they have to carry a speshul flag.

Shield of Freedom
12-03-2009, 05:34
I played Eldar since 2nd edition. They were my first army. Suddenly (and finally) we get our new codex and then BAM! Instead of being the only Eldar player at the store, I'm playing against two Eldar armies in the tournament that I only get four games in! Thankfully that ship has sailed and calmed down a bit since the codex isn't as "new" anymore.

I'm a little worried about the Imperial Guard bandwagon too. They're my second army that I've also been playing since 2nd edition (Some of my tanks that I'm using are still the original ones I bought 12 years ago!). We shall see.

AngryAngel
12-03-2009, 05:55
Pfft, I pity the poor fools who jump on the DA bandwagon, if any ever do. Just because something is newer doesn't always mean its better. Sometimes its just more stylish.

Ubermensch Commander
12-03-2009, 06:04
Salamanders player since 3rd edition. I do not mind the badnwagon. Does not bother me. I will play what I have played, as I wish to play it in accordance with rules changes. I accept that all the ol' wussy BT and BA players of third edition (Them: BAAHHH NO RHINO RUSH! BAHHH! Me: MWaahaahahah Suck it!) may have jumped ship just because Sallies have one AWESOME SC...whom I do not even use...but that is ok.

I simply acknowledge the phenomenon, rather like players in my area so bad you had to play to lose to give them a tie now use Ork lists and get ties without too much effort.

Given that there are only so many armies in the game, I am not too worried about "bandwagon" effect.

Although I may eat my words when the new DA codex *snort heh good joke there* ever comes out and its overpowered as all get out so everyone flocks to it. Then I might end up bitching about how "I used to play them before all you young whippersnappers! Why in my day we had to fleet uphill both ways in the snow and blood of our enemies!"
heh.

*please note: am not calling all BT or BA players complete losers devoid of all skill who jumped on the band wagon just for the easy winningness of their third edition rules....its unfortunately all I have personal experience with.

The Orange
12-03-2009, 06:44
Been an Eldar collector since the late 2nd edition, guess their was some bandwagoning there. Been a Tau player almost since their inception (well I practically latched on to them when I went back to playing 40k) and their ranks swelled with their new codex, and (while not related to GW) I play Privateer Press' Hordes Skorne faction, almost the red headed step child of all the factions, but it seems like they've become one of the top dogs thanks to the newest book release.

Granted you guys have every right to be proud of your armies, but just because you've collected them longer then others doesn't really mean you get any sort of seniority over people "jumping on the bandwagon". Maybe some people jumped on a particular army for the rules, but that's nothing shameful, and when it comes to rules associated with special characters, correct me if I'm wrong, but their not exactly under any obligation to have a specific army to use a specific special character, are they? I thought it was perfectly legal to to paint up papa smurf in zebra pattern and make him the chapter master of my Zulu Marines (totally making that up btw, IF all the way ;)).

a squig
12-03-2009, 09:05
[QUOTE=Koryphaus;3367235]I love my Imperial Fists. I think I must be the only Fist player not to use Lysander..QUOTE]


U sir get a cookie

it amazing for a "unquie chacter" i see about 10 in my local gaming club. :rolleyes:

also i understand the spacewolf statment, iam long time space wolf fan but the new codex will be a double edged sword. shinney new space wolf stuff, but lots of little kids will probaly start due to being a new marine army and give us wolfs a bad name. :(

The Clairvoyant
12-03-2009, 10:09
1..2…3…and breathe!

Now I shall attempt to not go into rant mode here. Apologies if I do.

The bandwagon. It doesn't irritate me anywhere near as much as the elitists. So what if someone else is starting the same army that you're using? And usually, the complaints are accompanied with "i've been playing this army for x years through x number of editions" At what point do you gain the rights to claim a particular army as yours and yours only?

And as always, its the 'kiddies' that get accused of the bandwagon jumping.

Surely its a good thing that more people collect more armies? It allows greater variation in the long run and ensures you get to play all types of armies.

Instead of whinging that you won't be referred to as "THE GUARD PLAYER", you could turn it into something positive by offering advice to the new colonels and help them build their armies and give advice on paint schemes. But then you'd be referred to as "the really friendly guard player who helped me get started". GW games are community games. Do a bit of community service!

hush88
12-03-2009, 10:14
Bandwagons are okay.....if you have been playing the army for x number of years, you can always claim that you were there first while the newbies are pretenders.

xerxeshavelock
12-03-2009, 10:23
What about abandoning the Bandwagon? Don't see as many Iron Warrior players about these days, no? I remember when my gran started playing them, she swore it was nothing to do with 4 Heavy support slots, but she had a gleam in her eye...

Darnok
12-03-2009, 10:43
1..2…3…and breathe!

Now I shall attempt to not go into rant mode here. Apologies if I do.

The bandwagon. It doesn't irritate me anywhere near as much as the elitists. So what if someone else is starting the same army that you're using? And usually, the complaints are accompanied with "i've been playing this army for x years through x number of editions" At what point do you gain the rights to claim a particular army as yours and yours only?

And as always, its the 'kiddies' that get accused of the bandwagon jumping.

Surely its a good thing that more people collect more armies? It allows greater variation in the long run and ensures you get to play all types of armies.

First, I agree on everything he said, even the parts I left out.

Secondly, I don't get the mindset you need to complain about "people jumping on bandwagons". All I see is people getting excited by new stuff. Where is that a bad thing?

How does it take away from your experience, your lovely crafted collection of models, your memories of past glories? I see it as a big misconception that some people feel like something is taken away from them. I see it more as an addition to your experience. There is more variety added by new players, more possibilities to explore.

And that has nothing to do with "bandwagons", unless you strive for a reason to complain for complainings sake. But that is much more a problem of what stuff gets highlighted by the internet, not so much what matters in the real world.

Irondog
12-03-2009, 10:53
Clairvoyant and Darnok have valid points. I've been playing orks since waaaaay before they were popular. I view the influx of new players as a double edged sword.

I play Orks for their character. I play them because they're orks, regardless of their ruleset. While I don't have any problem with folks starting an ork army, it does bug me a bit when a new player does it for the rules only. "Man, I going to field this army cuz this uber unit can do X, Y and Z" is the kind of fly-by-night mindset that annoys me, as well as a lot of other 'old timers' I'm sure.

The other edge of the sword is that when Da Boyz are no longer the 'newest, flashiest and uber-winningest' army around, the folks who got into them for the rules will move on.

And the rest of us die-hard ork players can pick up their stuff on eBay for cheap :D

xerxeshavelock
12-03-2009, 11:05
While I don't have any problem with folks starting an ork army, it does bug me a bit when a new player does it for the rules only. "Man, I going to field this army cuz this uber unit can do X, Y and Z" is the kind of fly-by-night mindset that annoys me, as well as a lot of other 'old timers' I'm sure.


While I quite agree with this sentiment, I started orks in the old book, but lapsed as the rules did not allow me to make my vision of what an ork army should be, LOTS of boyz adequately supported by the fun specialists. The newer codex is closer to this ideal, while I have the occasional niggle (Want a Warboss, Big Mek and a Wierdboy) I can play as I want to, simply because of the rules.

Of course, there's always Apocalypse, but not everyone has the time to paint that many boyz (despite what Jervis says).

actiondan
12-03-2009, 11:29
I remember when I was a Red Shirt all the new kids wanted "the blue ones" but this did not put me off Ultras (waits for hissing and booing to die down) as I had always liked the background (specifically the 3rd companies story) but what got me was that 10 Marines were always led by Papa Smurf and this was way back in 2nd ed. Part of my original post was that I dont resent new Sallie armies per se but I have seen sooo many of the Vulkan + as many melta and flamers you can get (dont get me started on allied sisters) that you do wonder if they would do the same army without the character. Personally I have never used special characters as a hang over from my aforementioned Papa Smurf and Dante experiences but this is not to say that I never will, I have Abbaddon for my Black Legion and probably will Make a Vulkan for myself (BTW saw the best Vulkan conversion on WIP the other day it was beautiful).
I would never be one to scorn another army choice or deride them over the whole bandwagon issue, the more gamers the better but as someone mentioned before the rules players will move on when a new uber choice comes out and these armies end up on e-bay. Good for me I suppose but I have trouble understanding that viewpoint and could not give up my beloved green marines.

Murphys Avatar
12-03-2009, 11:47
I think jumping on the badwagon thing is not so bad. Its good to see younger and inexperienced players trying to better themselves and if rules of new armies help them to so be it. They will grow out of it once they get experience.

As was said before it is the elitists that wind me up. They do jump on the bandwagon but on the pre built uber list wagon. Nob biker and Tyranid MC for instance. And then they never deviate from that list. I think the previous order was 2 Monolith army followed by Tyranid MC followed by Flying Circus and now the 20 green bikers army.

Dont get me wrong i play to win in tournemants and play for fun at clubs and with friends but coming up against these copycat uber lists is frustrating. That said it is a better feeling to whip these armies than other more structured ones.

Nostro
12-03-2009, 12:33
Clairvoyant and Darnok have valid points.

Agreed


I play Orks for their character. I play them because they're orks, regardless of their ruleset. While I don't have any problem with folks starting an ork army, it does bug me a bit when a new player does it for the rules only. "Man, I going to field this army cuz this uber unit can do X, Y and Z" is the kind of fly-by-night mindset that annoys me, as well as a lot of other 'old timers' I'm sure.

And agreed. It's not so much about new players joining in, but people who have played or liked a particular army for a long time, especially during the dry times of crappy rules, usually have done so because they like the feel and the background. Sharing that with other players is an enjoyable experience. Discussing your love of Ferrus Manus with a guy who came in for the 4 HS slots brings nothing near the same interest.

That's for the objective part: liking an army for its background and feel vs jumping to the latest shiny rules.

Now for the subjective part, who isn't somehow a bit of an elitist? You like to like stuff that not everybody does. What if every single person on earth was wearing exactly the same of your favourite t-shirt? Eating you favourite dish? Nobody really likes to completely be in the faceless mass and likes to stand out a little.

That said, I agreed that you shouldn't push that normal elitism to the point of being constantly snotty and scornful of other people playing 'your' army. This, is wrong. But you can hardly blame people to feel a pinch of regret when 50% of players plays the same army as they do.

Bran Dawri
12-03-2009, 13:15
I don't mind bandwagon jumpers. Sooner or later, they move on to the next shiny new thing, letting me buy additions to my own army on the cheap. Usually, they're not even painted yet...

the1stpip
12-03-2009, 17:53
I see it both ways.

I have indeed just started painting a new Salamanders army. Admittedly, I already have a SM army, but it didn't feel right using Vulkan with them.

On the other hand, I am a long term Dark Eldar player, and I dread the day when dark Eldar armies become popular and everyone wants them. I just won't feel special anymore.

Indy
12-03-2009, 18:17
I admit to being an Ork bandwagon-jumper. It was my manager's fault, as he gave me the new ork box to paint up at the time, and I got hooked after I had lots of fun building and painting them. I got inspired, and have since collected some 3k+ worth of orks... and have a blast playing them. Plus, I'm actually painting them, which is quite a feat!

As for what bandwagon bugs me... I can't say that there's too much that does. Maybe the bandwagon of people complaining about how overpowered the newest book is before playing with and against it...

Nym
12-03-2009, 18:34
I hate this bandwagon thing. I bought some Boyz back in 2003 because I liked the models, but never got to play them because my army was too small. In september 2008 I finally expanded my army to a playable size (was fond of the new models), and suddenly people started to see me as a "bandwagon jumper".

I'm clearly not playing them for their rules, and would gladly get back to our previous 'dex if I was asked to, because I only care about models and background. Unfortunately people have a hard time believing me, and it's frustrating... :/

Hellfury
12-03-2009, 19:02
1..2…3…and breathe!

Now I shall attempt to not go into rant mode here. Apologies if I do.

The bandwagon. It doesn't irritate me anywhere near as much as the elitists. So what if someone else is starting the same army that you're using? And usually, the complaints are accompanied with "i've been playing this army for x years through x number of editions" At what point do you gain the rights to claim a particular army as yours and yours only?

Agreed and to add further so what if people use 'your' special character?

Really, they are not so special to be honest. its a model that modifies your army just like any other models, even if it has a few extra special rules attached. It is still simply another unit.
Its like whining about somebody taking a whirlwind, or more specifically, 'my' whirlwind that I have been using since before rocks were invented by god. :rolleyes:

Its a game where 'grown men' play with dollies. Its good to keep that in perspective.

victorpofa
13-03-2009, 01:17
...when it comes to rules associated with special characters, correct me if I'm wrong, but their not exactly under any obligation to have a specific army to use a specific special character, are they? I thought it was perfectly legal to to paint up papa smurf in zebra pattern and make him the chapter master of my Zulu Marines (totally making that up btw, IF all the way ;)).

Quite true. I am using a counts-as Wazdakka to lead my Speed Freeks when I need the bikers as troops and that is perfectly legal. Same with my Belial counts-as for my Angels of Vengeance. If I decide to use Telion in a Codex (but not Ultramarines) army he will have a different name.


also i understand the spacewolf statement, I am long time space wolf fan but the new codex will be a double edged sword. shiny new space wolf stuff, but lots of little kids will probably start due to being a new marine army and give us wolfs a bad name. :(

Also true, but I won't begrudge the new players as long as they paint their army instead of using them unpainted because they are the army of the month and will be discarded when the next codex comes out. That's the only bandwagon I hate. I plan on making every army, but by the time I get to that force the bandwagon should have moved on. :p

Snotteef
13-03-2009, 01:59
I hate this bandwagon thing. I bought some Boyz back in 2003 because I liked the models, but never got to play them because my army was too small. In september 2008 I finally expanded my army to a playable size (was fond of the new models), and suddenly people started to see me as a "bandwagon jumper".

I'm clearly not playing them for their rules, and would gladly get back to our previous 'dex if I was asked to, because I only care about models and background. Unfortunately people have a hard time believing me, and it's frustrating... :/

You're not the only one. I like the old dex, problems and all.

Axis
13-03-2009, 02:13
For me, it's my beloved Orks in general. I've been an Ork Boy since '98, and I toughed it all through that rubbish codex, as the only Ork player I knew too-- Now, the new codex comes in, but I'm indirectly pissed because it's seen as the most overpowered currently, as well as the most popular, currently.

It just rubs me the wrong way seein' all dese grotz wot wanna be Orks, kno' wut I mean? Either ya dakka dakka, or yu'z a puny Eldar, aint nuffin' in 'between!

Having said that in terrible Ork, I also do want to state that I'm getting ready for the same feeling with IG. In fact, when I was 10 or 11, I went to my FLGS to get IG, but they just had catachans, and I wasn't fond of them. Later, when Cadians came to, I enlisted there also, and Love them just as much as Orks, especially in the tough times...

But now I'm getting ready, again, to be seen as a band wagon jumper who plays the (potentially) overpowered and trendy army.

Woe is me that it happened to both my long time favorites... :'(

I try not to think about it or let it bother me.. but still...

I feel like you need certain mentalities to play Orks and IG... for me, my style lends to them both, and if "everyone and their uncles" play IG (and Orks) because their new and hot-- it distills the awesomeness... If that makes any sense.

-Des

Maybe it should be jumping on the battlewagon then? :P

LonelyPath
13-03-2009, 03:38
My first SM army (other than GK's from the Slaves to Darkness list) was CF aand I loved them. The imagery and fluff in the early days drew me to them, even though this was early in the days of Rogue Trader and little fluff existed. The fluff has always drawn me to armies over minis and hot rules. The Nids I loved for the fact that they came seemingly from nowhere and started to devour everything in their path, the most alien thing still in 40k IMO. orks I played when they were still Orcs in 40k (I'm old) and it was the madness of their forces that appealled to me. the WD 123 army list for them was insane and the finished article was even crazier in the Ork books.

I've seen alot of people jumping on bandwagons and it doesn't really bother meif everyone likes and army "coz X guy wives Y rule and I like that". In time they either tire of the army or they mature and try out other things. I'm collecting my 2nd GK and a seperate DH army (Inquisitors and ST, etc), my 3rd, 4th and 5th DA armies (regular DA being set in the early Horus Heresy for fluff factor and the fact I am painting them black they way they used to be years ago). I'll collect another CF list at some point (I bought Kantor to paint and enjoyed doing so since the mini was so great, but he'll get used now and then). But alot of people start off coz of some rule or other that appeals to them, then later they learn more and think "wow, I like that" of they don't and abandon the army as I said above.

I ran a game club for about 4 years and saw alot of people encroaching on the bandwagon front and found sitting down and discussing the army with them helped them alot and often steered them to an army more their like, just as often it deepened their liking for the army and they now had a real feel for its imagery and related to that.

Codex DH was the worst for me (personally), I saw dozens of people start bandwagon armies coz of the cool minis and then abandon them. Alot of them even gave away or even threw away the minis after! Though the Necrons were terrible, everyone started collecting them coz they were to darn tough. That's the worst of it I think. Thankfully the hype died down, as did the number of armies around me. All the hype put me off collecting them, even though I enjoyed the little fluff there was at the time.

For me though, it's the evolving story and theatre that surrounds a force and I'd like to think that a few others have gone that way also thanks to a little encouragement here and there. But, don't knock people just because they like a rule and decide to collect a force, I know Kantor is very tempting to field, as are Belial, Sammael and Azreal with my DA, I usually reserve the mfor Apoc games, but do use them in my Ravenwing and Deathwing forces for the theme, who cares if Sammael is almost a flying land raider in his landspeeder, lol.

souljaking09
13-03-2009, 04:04
to be honest I'm pretty frustrated that there is a new codex. I recently started my catachan army. I even have a log for it. I had no idea a new codex was coming out when I bought my first troops a couple months ago. I love the new command squad, but the codex is going to make me look like a bandwagon jumper when I really had no knowledge of the new codex when I began. I just like the catachan models. I really mean it when I say I hope the IG codex is not overpowered. I want a fair fight. I do not want an easy win.

Rioghan Murchadha
13-03-2009, 04:32
It's not so much the bandwagon thing that bugs me, but when something I use gets changed for the better. I make a point of attempting to play some of the crappiest forces I can think of rules wise. It bugs me when all of a sudden, the core of my army becomes stupidly good (fearless, 4++ ap3 bolters with slow and purposeful), and all of a sudden, everyone wants a unit or 2 in their army. I then have to deal with all the cries of 'cheesy bastard!', when I initially bought the army to suck.

Hicks
13-03-2009, 05:03
Hrrrrm more or less for me but let me explain.

Way back when I first got into 40K the Catachan codex had just come out and I really liked them. So I got some Catachans and soon realised the army was way too expensive for me at the time.

Bandwagon 1, Hicks 0

So with Catachans being too expensive I stopped, then I was kinda forced into marines as they had the most plastic kits at the time I got back into the game. That was during the 3rd war for Armageddon and I happened to like WD at the time. I checked the 3 pages of marine chapters involved in the conflict and decided the Fleshtearers were just too cool. Unknown to me, the BA codex was ultra brutal at that time, so I accidently jumped on the bandwagon.

Bandwagon 1.5, Hicks 0

Then I traded some Fantasy stuff for an Iyanden army back when they were called the worst army ever.

Bandwagon 1.5, Hicks 1

I traded my heroclix for a Steel Legion army, no one had that in at least a 100 kilometer radius I'm sure and it was way past the Armageddon codex.

Bandwagon 1.5, Hicks 2

At that point I traded the Iyanden army for Lizardmen, bought Vampire counts and traded some for Grey Knights, Tyranids and Beasts of Chaos. Grey Knights weren't exactly popular even when they came out, but nids were ranking pretty high in tourneys... but I only got them because they were a good deal.

Bandwagon 2, Hicks 3

Then I got some marines, but they don't count. But, with the very latest SM codex, I started a White Scars army. No not because of the Khan. It was because I wanted a 1st founding chapter, something that wasn't a carbon copy of my normal marines and the Ravenwing battleforce made such an army affordable (well relatively).

Bandwagon 2.5, Hicks 3

So I think I'm not the kind to jump on the bandwagon, but I still took the unfortunate coincidences into account in my calculations.

LonelyPath
13-03-2009, 13:14
If you're getting those Ravenwing battleforces and you wanted a first founding army, why not just collect Ravenwing? lol.

I'm on my 3rd regular DA army right now along with my 2nd Deathwing and 1st Ravenwing forces. My only problem is that I currently have 4 different Sammael's mounted in land speeders, I keep coming up with different conversions for him. I really should just magnetise the entire thing, it'd make my life alot easier, hahaha. Also, it would mean I'd have alot more Ravenwing Support choices instead of just 2 land speeders :(

Brother Drakist
13-03-2009, 14:17
Well my only issue with the latest codex change was I was just finishing my 32nd Salamander when I saw the rules for Vulkan. I thought to myself, " Oh crap, this guy is going to be in everyone's army." Then after reading further I realized no more cleanse and purify. I had assembled and painted too many flamer and melta marines. Now that really annoyed me.

Nothing stops you from using the Master of the forge or a normal captain/force commander for your army. Both are still very viable choices and if you stick with the flamers/meltas/Thunder hammers your still staying within theme. Remember that it's not Vulkan who makes Salamanders what they are. It's the flamers/meltas/TH and how you play the army.

"Bandwagoneers"(is that a word?) are always present in everything. We have all been guilty of it at some time or another. However as long as people are having fun and staying young in mind playing 40k then who cares.

Killgore
13-03-2009, 14:24
Its slightly annoying that everyones using Eldrad

Iv been using Ulthwe eldar for years, now everyone is using my armys special character

mind you i myself am using enougth aspect warriors to make a bel tan player jellous and 10+ wraithguard in my new codex style Ulthwe army

LonelyPath
13-03-2009, 14:42
2nd Edition was the worst for people jumping on the Eldar bandwagon, the Pheonix Lords came out and suddenly everyone fielded all of them at once! Then with the Warp Spiders they became very broken very quickly. Teleport 18", shoot, teleport 18" again. They were impossible to face if you had an assault army.

If I was to collect Eldar it would mostly be Gaurdians and Dire Avengers since those make up the bulk of Eldar forces, backed up with likely some Scrorpions since I've always loved the feel of that aspect. Plus I've always preferred infantry over tanks, so I'd keep the tank level to a minimum, maybe 2 of them at most of 1 and some jetbikes. Still, that's a army for the distant future, I got enough of them on the go as it is, heh.

cortez555
13-03-2009, 14:58
The bandwagon can get annoying for some people, mostly i feel this is because some will do the army, get about a 1000pts and then ditch them for the next new thing. I myself will be doing guard when they come out, not because they are the new shiny thing but because ive always had a general intrest in the common man vs the horrors of the universe. I expect comments of bandwagoning but at the end of the day the true fans of a army will still be there when the wagon moves on.

Captain Micha
13-03-2009, 16:26
1..2…3…and breathe!

Now I shall attempt to not go into rant mode here. Apologies if I do.

The bandwagon. It doesn't irritate me anywhere near as much as the elitists. So what if someone else is starting the same army that you're using? And usually, the complaints are accompanied with "i've been playing this army for x years through x number of editions" At what point do you gain the rights to claim a particular army as yours and yours only?

And as always, its the 'kiddies' that get accused of the bandwagon jumping.

Surely its a good thing that more people collect more armies? It allows greater variation in the long run and ensures you get to play all types of armies.

Instead of whinging that you won't be referred to as "THE GUARD PLAYER", you could turn it into something positive by offering advice to the new colonels and help them build their armies and give advice on paint schemes. But then you'd be referred to as "the really friendly guard player who helped me get started". GW games are community games. Do a bit of community service!

Dude you are my other hero on this forum. (Lord Damocles beat you to it originally)

AngryAngel
13-03-2009, 16:47
Ah its human nature all this. People want to feel special with what they do. I actually kinda like it if people pick my armies to play, kinda feels like having allies. So I always try and help and offer advice I didn't get when I had started.

As long as they joined for the right reasons, joining just because its the new hot thing seems to always end badly. Play an army because they fit your playstyle/you love their feel or models. New toy syndrome will only get ya so far.

pringles978
13-03-2009, 16:52
bandwagons are great, but i never seem to have the heavy suppourt foc spare.

sliganian
13-03-2009, 17:00
Well my only issue with the latest codex change was I was just finishing my 32nd Salamander when I saw the rules for Vulkan. I thought to myself, " Oh crap, this guy is going to be in everyone's army." Then after reading further I realized no more cleanse and purify. I had assembled and painted too many flamer and melta marines. Now that really annoyed me.

Nothing stops you from using the Master of the forge or a normal captain/force commander for your army. Both are still very viable choices and if you stick with the flamers/meltas/Thunder hammers your still staying within theme. Remember that it's not Vulkan who makes Salamanders what they are. It's the flamers/meltas/TH and how you play the army.


Yup. My Salamanders have ALWAYS been lead by Captain Ku-Thal with his ThunderHammer and Combi-Melta. My Command squad always has 2 Flamers in it.

I am never taking Vulkan "He's Tan" (nice racial sensitivity there, G-W...)

Hicks
13-03-2009, 17:04
If you're getting those Ravenwing battleforces and you wanted a first founding army, why not just collect Ravenwing? lol.

I wanted a loyalist army, the White Scars were on Terra during it's siege, you can't be any cooler than that.

Fixer
13-03-2009, 17:25
Just one question - has anyone seen a good conversion of Vulkan or have people just seen badly done ones, just to he can be used on the tabletop

Here's mine :)

http://www.perfect-design.co.uk/uploads/hestan8.jpg

I have been playing Salamanders for 9 years though.

For the most part I havn't seen many other people around actually make a He'Stan for their marine chapters. They've mostly stuck to their own chapter theme. I see him more in 'theory' or 'I'm going to make' army lists online.