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MarshallSam
14-12-2005, 20:23
I've heard the rumor that the next IA book will have the Red Scorpions in it. I've also heard that Forgeworld will do up some shoulderpads and doors for the Red Scorpions. What I want to know is what else is Forgeworld up to. Are there gonna be whole special characters? How about some distinct torsos/legs/heads. Any one have an idea? Also are the Red Scorpions a successor chapter of the Iron Hands?

t-tauri
14-12-2005, 20:48
I believe it's just pads and doors. I don't know if the Red Scorpions officer investigating the Anaphelion project will be getting a mini or special character stats. IIRC the mention of special characters was mainly limited to the Inquisitor and his henchmen/IG cadian veterans/Elysian "super-troopers".

Red Scorpions go back to the Badab War fluff and as far as I know they aren't an Iron Hands successor.

charlie_c67
14-12-2005, 21:02
Try looking at the Badab site in my sig. Would give you the direct link but for some reason the hospital computers at my placement seem to think it's porn! :wtf:

Tom
14-12-2005, 22:37
IIRC They're getting Take Pride in your Colours, Purity above All, and Inferno cannon Razorbacks.

Mr Evil
15-12-2005, 02:31
IIRC They're getting Take Pride in your Colours, Purity above All, and Inferno cannon Razorbacks.

Sounds very very interesting. Supposedly they're supposed to have super-Terminator armour of some sort that was developed secretly as well according to fluff I've read, and FW has mentioned that they'd be doing Red Scorpion Terminators (Pads weren't specified).

Whats their colour scheme? I'm assuming red (duh) + ???

NakedFisherman
15-12-2005, 02:42
Inferno Cannon Razorbacks!?!?

Please tell me chapters other than Red Scorpions will be able to take them!

MarshallSam
15-12-2005, 02:44
I am currently working on a bunch of cyborg marines for a sort of renegade chapter and I am looking for all the bitz I can find. I had herad some where that the Red Scorpions had a connection to the AM and thought that FW might do up their own bionic parts for SM conversions.

Puffin Magician
15-12-2005, 02:45
FW has mentioned that the Red Scorpions use "unique vehicles", I'd be disappointed if all they got was a flamey Razor.

FW has been on a bit of an Inferno Cannon binge recently; 2 Hellhound variants, Siege Dreadnought... rumour = logical conclusion?

Colour scheme is a dark Green [DA Green] and a beige colour a bit darker than Bleached Bone or possibly a pale yellow. You can see a Land Raider painted in their colours here (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/imperialarmourbooks/Book2/Page-94-95.jpg). In their RT days they may have been mostly bright red with black/dark green, as I see many old minis painted that way in my Googlings.

Kurai
15-12-2005, 06:59
We will continue to release more etched brass sheets next year and we are currently working on one for the Black Templars and another for the Red Scorpions. You'll be hearing a lot more about the Red Scorpions over the coming months as they are the Marine Chapter that fought alongside Imperial Guard regiments during the Anphelion Project, the subject of Imperial Armour Volume 4. Following on, we will be releasing Red Scorpions conversion kits for both Terminators and power-armoured Space Marines too.

So I'm not so sure about shoulderpads as you should be able to do those with the etched brass sheets.

violenceha
15-12-2005, 07:45
any chance they'll stay with the old badab camo scheme, i think it suited them better

Sephiroth
15-12-2005, 08:02
I still recall reading this about them:


Most renowned however is the Red Scorpion's strict adherence to the codex. Their belief is that the emperor himself wrote the words, and chose the colours for their chapter. To question the word of the emperor is heresy, therefore to deviate from the codex, is heresy also. Red Scorpion vehicles and armour is painted with the utmost of care and precision, and after each battle every detail is painted back into place, to assure that even the emperor himself would be satisfied with any vehicle at any time, should he ever decide to inspect them.

This adherence is taken to an extreme by the Red Scorpions, more so than any other chapter in the Imperium. On one occasion they refused to serve with even the Ultramarines, due to a mispainted detail on the track of one of their land raiders. They refused to enter combat with them until the track was repainted.

On another, more severe occasion, the Red Scorpions actually went to war over a paintjob after lending a tank to the Novamarines. During the battle the Novamarines repainted the tank in camouflage hues, and returned it to the Red Scorpions this way. The Red Scorpions were furious, and demanded that they repaint it immediately. The Novamarines paid no attention to them, until a force of Red Scourge marines landed in their homeworld's armoury, and completely destroyed every vehicle there. A war broke out between the two chapters, and was eventually stopped by the Inquisition.

To this day however, any chapter that borrows any equipment from the Red Scorpions is sure to return it exactly as it was, even spending years making sure every detail is perfect.

Of course, this was back in the days of Rogue Trader. ;)

violenceha
15-12-2005, 09:25
makes you wonder if this fluff was based on some weird event that took place between the game developers involving the borrowing of a car

my_name_is_tudor
15-12-2005, 09:43
quite possibly

"strict adherence to the codex" and "custom vehicles" don't blend well with me.. ah well.

Can't wait to see what apower armour marine conversion kit looks like, more than just shoulder pads one would hope.

Shibboleth
15-12-2005, 11:31
Sounds like an excuse for not having to paint any weathering effects...

malika
15-12-2005, 12:12
Sounds very very interesting. Supposedly they're supposed to have super-Terminator armour of some sort that was developed secretly as well according to fluff I've read, and FW has mentioned that they'd be doing Red Scorpion Terminators (Pads weren't specified).

Whats their colour scheme? I'm assuming red (duh) + ???

Where did you read about the Terminator Armour? :eek:


I had herad some where that the Red Scorpions had a connection to the AM and thought that FW might do up their own bionic parts for SM conversions.
They had strong ties with the Legio Cybernetica...hopefully we will see those again :evilgrin:


Colour scheme is a dark Green [DA Green] and a beige colour a bit darker than Bleached Bone or possibly a pale yellow. You can see a Land Raider painted in their colours here. In their RT days they may have been mostly bright red with black/dark green, as I see many old minis painted that way in my Googlings.
I doubt that is their real colourscheme, probably just a variation...I mean look at the Ultramarine Land Raider above it;)

Puffin Magician
15-12-2005, 12:31
The fact that it's next to a tank in a weird scheme doesn't make the RedScos any less standard. Did you not notice the Ultramarines Land Raider beside it?

Green and bone certainly looks better than cherry red anyhow.

Sephiroth
15-12-2005, 12:40
I believe this is their most up to date example of their paintscheme, though I could be wrong:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Zekk/img3d776f6222301.jpg

Puffin Magician
15-12-2005, 12:57
That's closer to the scheme I meant, and damn that's really yellow. The green could be brighter and the minor colours could've been more cohesive to make it look less like a Rainbow Warriors candidate.

I could do without the "when I think about you, I touch myself" pose, too.

Captain Stuart
15-12-2005, 13:06
Actually the strict adherence stuff is realtively new. I've read that since EoT campaign. If you look at the land raider in the pic linked above you'll see the vehicle in camo colors. The original pic of them from the White Dwarf Badab War article (not the one from the 2nd edition Chaos Codex) had them in red, and dark blue camo scheme.

I'd prefer FW to go with the camo bit, but unless they explain the switch in camo philosophy as taking place during the Anphelion Project (something I suspect will happen in order to unite the old RT Scorpions and the newer Codex adhering zealots), I fear we'll still see a Codex red chapter. Fortunately, Insignium Astartes has no pics of the Red Scorpions, so maybe there's some wiggle room?

Sephiroth
15-12-2005, 13:19
I'd prefer FW to go with the camo bit, but unless they explain the switch in camo philosophy as taking place during the Anphelion Project (something I suspect will happen in order to unite the old RT Scorpions and the newer Codex adhering zealots), I fear we'll still see a Codex red chapter.

I doubt they'll be going with camouflage, since its been mentioned one of their traits is "Take Pride in your Colours", but you never know.

Puffin Magician
15-12-2005, 13:25
The Red Scorpions Land Raider is not in camouflage, it was probably painted after GW wanted to make them un-red, but before they really said what they should be painted like. It doesn't seem as if GW has nailed that down yet; guidelines being "greenish and sorta-yellowy"?

I doubt we'll see red Red Scorpions because this (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/spacemarines/painting/sm_gallery/images/65.jpg) is how GW seems to be painting them lately. This one even looks more blue than green... stick to a colour pattern!

If any Chapters are wearing camo it should be the Executioners and Revilers.

Mr Evil
15-12-2005, 15:46
I read about the 'Red Scourge' Terminator armour + additional fluff here (looks like it's from 2nd edition though):

http://www.zynetwc.com/~garbled/red.scorpion.history.html

t-tauri
15-12-2005, 15:55
I read about the 'Red Scourge' Terminator armour + additional fluff here (looks like it's from 2nd edition though):

http://www.zynetwc.com/~garbled/red.scorpion.history.html
I'm pretty certain that's fan fluff as are a lot of the sources quoted here. Is there anything official since the Badab War stuff that anyone knows of? The Black and yellow was the official scheme. I had an army of beakies in that pattern, but there were also comouflage options.

The Games Day plan was just pads and doors. Vehicle variants were mertioned but nothing was forthcoming as to what they were. There'll be a deluge of information starting after the Christmas free postage offer passes.

Red Scorpion
15-12-2005, 16:29
These were my first army...when I read a few snippets of fluff quotes from them. One about Obliterators being an aberration, and another about camoflage being for cowards. My paint scheme was a tad different! I wanted something similar to White Scars and just liked the name...

charlie_c67
15-12-2005, 22:15
There is a black and red alternative for the pursuit squads of Red scorpions. One could say that these may be the bikers and/or landspeeder crews only, but equally could be for squads mounted in a razorback or something.

violenceha
15-12-2005, 23:17
taking the geneseed from inquisitors and their servants to gain psychic powers? apart from that i actually quite like it

Captain Stuart
15-12-2005, 23:42
The Red Scorpions Land Raider is not in camouflage, it was probably painted after GW wanted to make them un-red, but before they really said what they should be painted like. It doesn't seem as if GW has nailed that down yet; guidelines being "greenish and sorta-yellowy"?


But isn't that color plate from IA2 which came out summer 2004? Perhaps an owner can post the blurb under it.

I also could have sworn that RT-era rhinos or landraiders (the former IIRC) had Red Scorpion paint job in camo colors. I threw out the last sheet of the rhino a few years back but was reminded that medic and chaplain rhinos were about the only ones in strong, solid hues.

Puffin Magician
16-12-2005, 12:57
I do own IA2, and the blurb just says it's a RedSco Land Raider assigned from the 3rd to the 1st Company or something because it carries a Crux. Nothing at all about the colours itself.

There is a black and red alternative for the pursuit squads of Red scorpions.I saw a site that had most of the army in the Green/Yellow scheme with the Assault Marines being painted that bright red and black. Perhaps you're right and the rapid strike forces [Fast Attack selections] use a less traditional [but still Codex] pattern.

Nazguire
16-12-2005, 21:31
taking the geneseed from inquisitors and their servants to gain psychic powers? apart from that i actually quite like it

I don't, the fan fiction makes the Red Scorpions seem like ze ub3r Chapter, capable of no defeat, like a DBZ episode, Goku wins, gets pwn3d, then utterly annihilates the enemy without a sweat.

sulla
16-12-2005, 23:43
I don't, the fan fiction makes the Red Scorpions seem like ze ub3r Chapter, capable of no defeat, like a DBZ episode, Goku wins, gets pwn3d, then utterly annihilates the enemy without a sweat.


Be honest now, have you ever seen a DBZ episode where they have 2 fights? It takes a minimum 3 episodes just to say "Kamehameha!":D

violenceha
19-12-2005, 04:43
I don't, the fan fiction makes the Red Scorpions seem like ze ub3r Chapter, capable of no defeat, like a DBZ episode, Goku wins, gets pwn3d, then utterly annihilates the enemy without a sweat.
it's only fan fiction that makes marine chapters seem like that?:D