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thinkerman
06-04-2009, 07:37
What factor is the main attraction to the GW hobby?

We all like the GW hobby at some level, whats the main driving force and attraction for you?

Hellebore
06-04-2009, 07:43
The setting, so long as GW doesn't keep sabotaging it with super sayin ninja space marines of doom that tramp all over the universe and execute everything non marine related in classic storm trooper fashion.

So yeah. The setting, whose attraction reduces in an inverse relationship to the level of marine fetish pimping.

In two editions there will probably be nothing for me to enjoy if GW continues their downwards spiral into marine retarditude.

Hellebore

Ultimate Life Form
06-04-2009, 07:44
What factor is the main attraction to the GW hobby?

We all like the GW hobby at some level, whats the main driving force and attraction for you?

Curiously, I asked that myself dozens of times before. The prices sure arenīt.:p

Until two years ago, I had not the least interest in modeling.

I think it has to do with me being a huge fantasy fan. The thing that convinced me to try it was that cool Lizardmen army. Itīs 100% my style. Without it, I wouldnīt have started. The driving force seems to be the chance to create my own cool fantasy army as I see fit. All the choices I can take (models, colors) to make my army unique are nice. All in all, itīs a creative experience like painting or writing.

zedeyejoe
06-04-2009, 08:45
Interesting to see so much interest in fluff. Personally I don't care about fluff.

Hena
06-04-2009, 08:47
I'd say playing game but it goes halfway with background and rules. Though the rules I'm talking about is for Epic and certainly not the three main games.

Calgacus
06-04-2009, 09:30
for me it is playing the game - love playing & making stories, not that excited by the backgroud (LOTR excepted), don't mind painting, hate building models,

Ultimate Life Form
06-04-2009, 09:33
Interesting to see so much interest in fluff. Personally I don't care about fluff.

Yes, so you appear to be on the gaming side. Itīs okay. Still, I donīt buy you donīt give a dam about fluff. Answer me the following questions:



1. I do not buy models, not to mention glue them or paint them. I just field empty bases, `cuz thatīs all we need to play the game.

Oyes Ono


2. I do not care if my opponent does the same, so I frequently play games "bases vs bases".

Oyes Ono


If you answered all questions with yes, okay, I believe you. If thereīs at least one no, ask yourself if fluff really is entirely irrelevant to you.

Khornies & milk
06-04-2009, 09:33
Fluff first and foremost, Modelling/collecting second, Gaming third.

zedeyejoe
06-04-2009, 10:28
Ultimate Life Form, yes I like models and indeed well painted models. However that being said what does that have to do with fluff?

Now I will go further. I have read sci-fi and fantasy from an early age. I like good stories. However I find the GW stories/background to be at the best 2nd rate sci-fi. The fantasy can be better but still not top of the tree. The fluff has no effect on the game so I go off read good sci-fi/fantasy and happily play my GW games as two different activities. Similarly with films, some films have good background music but I don't actually want to sit and listen to it (the music to Gladiator being played over and over in Bugmans I found really annoying).

Korras
06-04-2009, 11:03
for me, it's the fluff, and the assembling/modelling. I can spend days assembling stuff, converting, etc.. but painting can be a pain sometimes. just imagine my backlog. ;)

knight of ne
06-04-2009, 11:10
I love it all. Well apart from the super-ultra-mega-smurfs-of-death fluff.

Ne

the_reaper
06-04-2009, 12:21
I voted all, because its all fantastic.

But on the fluff side, fluff makes the game, because without it, special rules etc would have no reasoning behind them.

And Black library books are some of the best books I've ever read :)

-reaper

Coasty
06-04-2009, 12:36
The models and the background, though I loathe painting.

I'm not too fussed about gaming, actually.

Foolish Mortal
06-04-2009, 13:16
For me it's the fluff (40k only).

I love the depth of the universe & the grimdarkness it portrays, though I do hate the way things keep getting retconned. I also like to read BL novels - they're not all that great, but they make the trip to & from work pass quicker.

I also like the models, love 'tinkering' with them & trying to come up with interesting conversions.

I have minimal interest in painting (though I would like to do more), and I don't play the games.

Fenrir
06-04-2009, 13:26
The complainers on the forums, and the ease of being able to wind them up.

daemonkin
06-04-2009, 13:34
The fact that it helped me through school - reading rules really helped with memory retention and literacy and numeracy skills and that it has provided years of interest and fun, met new friends who I still have 20 years later and the fact that I get to play with toy soldiers now that I'm all grown up!

Great social hobby and one that has stood by me for a long time.

D.

Brother Captain
06-04-2009, 15:41
For me painting always comes first but it's not only that. I find the fluff/ storyline very interesting plus it gives you a lot of freedom in how to represent it modeling and painting wise. Before being involved with GW I did some military modeling but never realy liked being restricted by historical accurancy. What I like with GW firgures is that though there are some general guidelines about painting as dictated by the fluff they're flexible to a large extent.

It all relates to my love for the Inquisition. It is a chaotic organization comprising of very powerfull individuals with not much central control plus it's set in the grimn and chaotic universe of 40k. Apart from being an interesting backstory it gives you almost total freedom in how you represent it. I love the fact that no 2 inquisitors are the same and there is no set depiction of a Gun Servitor or a henchman. Everyone comes up with his own ideas and it's great to see how each hobyist imagines the same character.

Templar Ben
06-04-2009, 16:08
I am the only vote for Forgeworld? I wonder how many would have voted for

It is the only game available in my area. or

It is the game my mates play and they don't want to spend more.

I love Dune but the 40K background not as much except for about half of the armies. If you play for that then I can understand though. Same for the models. Some people like large heads and hands. To say you honestly play for the rules is ... interesting. I presume those people play Specialist Games or LotR.

neXus6
06-04-2009, 16:14
At the moment the Fantasy and Specialist Game background is the only thing keeping me interested in GW.

If I had the room to set up a gaming table at home so i could move totally into playing non-GW games the background would be the only thing GW related I'd look at.

Hicks
06-04-2009, 17:25
It was definitly the background that pulled over to 40K from Fantasy.

Dwarf Supreme
06-04-2009, 17:37
I'd say playing game but it goes halfway with background and rules. Though the rules I'm talking about is for Epic and certainly not the three main games.

I agree with all of Hena's thoughts. Only Epic keeps my interest. Also, I usually enjoy painting, but not always. Sometimes, especially when painting bucketloads of infantry, it can seem like a chore.

Mouldsta
06-04-2009, 17:54
It's a mix of all for me, I like painting, modeling and gaming, but I think it's the background that I really like (the 40K one first and foremost), which is why I keep being drawn to the black library books and enjoying them despite the fact I know they're not very well written/edited/consistant.
I think it's this reason that I can look at a warmachine warjack model and appreciate that it's nice, but not really be inspired to paint it, as compared to a dreadnought which isn't as nice but that I really want to paint.

freddythebig
06-04-2009, 19:18
For me its the way it all comes together to provide me with some escapism.
Whether its reading about the background, modelling and painting, or playing the odd game with the armies that I have put together, it all makes for a pleasant diversion from real life.
After being married for 20 years and having worked since leaving school 36 years ago, its these kind of diversions that help to keep me sane.

Cane
06-04-2009, 19:21
Its a combination of all the choices but mainly its the universe that 40k is set in plus I've always had a lifelong interest in plastic model kits. Growing up I had access to a lot of different kinds of plastic kits from robots to stock cars.

Nowadays I can add in another reason:

Switching costs are simply too high to start another wargaming hobby. At least the game is better now than ever before though.

Ultimate Life Form
06-04-2009, 19:23
Ultimate Life Form, yes I like models and indeed well painted models. However that being said what does that have to do with fluff?

Now I will go further. I have read sci-fi and fantasy from an early age. I like good stories. However I find the GW stories/background to be at the best 2nd rate sci-fi. The fantasy can be better but still not top of the tree. The fluff has no effect on the game so I go off read good sci-fi/fantasy and happily play my GW games as two different activities. Similarly with films, some films have good background music but I don't actually want to sit and listen to it (the music to Gladiator being played over and over in Bugmans I found really annoying).

I agree the fantasy fluff is a little shallow (or stupid, or recycled, or outright stolen) at times. Dunno about 40k in general, but at least the Ork stuff seems pretty decent to me.

The point of my post was to point out that at least to me it makes a HUUUUGE difference if I look at a WS4 S4 T4 unit with a level 4 Spellcaster (empty bases) or at a the revered Saurus Temple Guard led by an ancient Slann Mage-Priest (arefully assembled and painted with love).

Templar Ben
06-04-2009, 19:57
Try reading God Emperor of Dune if you like 40K. ;)

Some people hate Orks being fungi (or is that fun guys?) but I think it is good because as far as I know that was the first serious step away from the tropes that had "inspired" the background.

zedeyejoe
06-04-2009, 20:27
The point of my post was to point out that at least to me it makes a HUUUUGE difference if I look at a WS4 S4 T4 unit with a level 4 Spellcaster (empty bases) or at a the revered Saurus Temple Guard led by an ancient Slann Mage-Priest (arefully assembled and painted with love).

But those are models and so nothing to do with fluff so far as I am aware. I think fluff is stories and background info?

Does it matter if they are called Saurus Temple Guard or Frips from the land of Humperdink?

Saw a good one last year, a planet called Gravalax in a 40K novel. What next, the planet of Fish and Chips?

CasperTheGhost
06-04-2009, 21:24
What next, the planet of Fish and Chips?

Isn't that pretty much the UK :p I mean what else do we have?

For me it's LOTR and having a laugh with my friends that I made because of the hobby.

Casper

Amr40
06-04-2009, 23:37
i would say its more the social side, ive met some great people through warhammer

but out of the above choices, i would say fluff, all the way. either that or playing anti marine lists.
*rant*
can't stand "the almightly space marines"
it was bad enough when was playing ]I[ back in the day, but 40k fluff is just a total marinegasm

*rant over*

redbaron998
06-04-2009, 23:46
A note for the future, putting a All the Above answer kinda makes the rest of the poll invalid unless someone REALLY had a very unbalanced point of view (ex. Love fluff but hates game)

mweaver
07-04-2009, 00:08
The miniatures for me by far. I don't play 40K or WHFB very often at all, although I do play a fair amount of Mordheim. When I use the miniatures, they are most likely going to be used in D&D, not "the GW Hobby". A fair number of my painted figures have never seen action.

Trench_Raider
07-04-2009, 00:46
There is no "GW Hobby".

What's the main attraction to the GW produced wargames I play? I would have to agree it's the miniatures....especially the older ones. The background material runs a close second.


Switching costs are simply too high to start another wargaming hobby. At least the game is better now than ever before though.

That statement tells me that you have not really looked into the pricing of other wargames. You can build a good basic Flames of War army for around 200$...even with the recent price hikes. You can build a large 15mm Ancient army for a game like Field of Glory for less than 150$.



TR

Templar Ben
07-04-2009, 00:56
That statement tells me that you have not really looked into the pricing of other wargames. You can build a good basic Flames of War army for around 200$...even with the recent price hikes. You can build a large 15mm Ancient army for a game like Field of Glory for less than 150$.



TR

It would be more accurate to say sunk costs perhaps but then that is not true either. There are a lot of people that look at that $1000 in IG and don't realize that those models work just as well in a different rule set. There is not a requirement to leave 25/28mm.

Trench_Raider
07-04-2009, 00:58
It would be more accurate to say sunk costs perhaps but then that is not true either. There are a lot of people that look at that $1000 in IG and don't realize that those models work just as well in a different rule set. There is not a requirement to leave 25/28mm.


You are 100% correct of course.
I was just throwing out two of the game systems/genres that have the lowest start up costs right now. (among those that I'm personally familiar with that is..)

TR

Templar Ben
07-04-2009, 01:05
I am on the same page. I think it is always good to share the cheapest. I found that my painting and sculpting increased the most when I changed scales.

starlight
07-04-2009, 01:10
What attracts me to hobby wargaming? The social aspect, followed by the fun of building stuff. :D


What attracts me to GW's take on hobby wargaming over other systems...? Now that I think about it...it just happened to be what others were playing back in the beginning...then it was the imagery, then it was...I just kept with it...


If I was to start again today, would I go with GW...? Maybe...maybe not...

captainramoz
07-04-2009, 01:33
Curiously, I asked that myself dozens of times before. The prices sure arenīt.:p

Tell me that lucky I'm getting horrendously whealty lately
I love all man all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!:skull:

holmcross
07-04-2009, 02:39
The setting (universe and armies) is great.

But the actual stories, such as the BL novels and special character backgrounds, are laughably bad.

But I chose painting and modeling. Its by far what I enjoy the most.

RevEv
07-04-2009, 07:57
GW has evolved, in my mind at least, in to a composite hobby. As there are so many facets to the whole I can pick and choose which part I indulge in depending on my mood.

If I'm bored with painting, I can make a new model.
If nothing fulfils the urge in the main range, I can order from FW.
If I'm away from home, and hence my models, I can always read a book.
And, of course, there's always the opportunity to game.

Also it is a hobby I may share with the rest of my family.

monkeymatt
07-04-2009, 08:17
Two things really draw me to the Hobby, Gaming and Painting, Gaming is of couse very fun and Painting can get boring at times and often I can't find the willingness to do it but when you see a full squad of men just been finished and then just as they Rip through your Opponents army...Keeps my money flowing into Games Workshop's pocket...

synapse
07-04-2009, 09:33
has to be the mnis and fluff for me - so muc hso that the only games i playi n are tournaments to 'show off' my latest armies

badgeraddict
07-04-2009, 09:48
I voted for 'the Game'.

I love playing the game, as it is an excuse for me to get off my **** and be social. :p

A close second would be painting, I love doing it. But damn the time restraints!

Bloodknight
07-04-2009, 11:36
I voted for All of the Above, with a current focus on playing and buying FW stuff.

mr.kislev
07-04-2009, 11:38
could you add "the feeling you get when you finish an army"

Poseidal
07-04-2009, 12:02
Background and aesthetic appeal (applies to models as well)

If it were purely for gaming reasons, I think Fantasy has a superior core ruleset (though I hear the army books are even less balanced than 40k) or I would play Historical Wargames more which have some very good rules.

GlynG
07-04-2009, 12:29
All of the above I went for, though Epic Armageddon is the only GW game I have any interest in playing or collecting for, it's by far their best.

darkace77450
07-04-2009, 21:26
You forgot the "comradeship with friends" option. :)

Grimbad
08-04-2009, 07:37
The snap of plasticard sheets and the spinning of drills and slicing of knives.
Red paint.
Battlewagons.

Fielding an army that will likely fail to win again and again, just to see it on the table with red hulls, shining wheels and waving banners.

selone
08-04-2009, 16:09
The background and gaming :)

Desert Rain
08-04-2009, 17:07
All of it, except maybe forge world but they do make awesome models.

doombanner
09-04-2009, 16:35
Collecting the stuff, and having a big, well-painted army. So painting and modelling as well.

~Doom Banner