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chocks
06-04-2009, 20:01
Hello all,

I played fantasy several years back and am looking to get back into the hobby. This time around, though, I'm thinking about fielding a 40K army as well. On the fantasy general discussion forum, there's a sticky thread (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98740) that talks about the pros and cons of all of the armies. Looking around this forum, I haven't seen one that does the same for 40K. Does anyone have a good link that I can check out to figure out which army I might want to play? Thanks!!

Klam
06-04-2009, 21:13
Just don't try to search on that "new" GW website its insane :p

Lord Cook
06-04-2009, 21:22
I'm afraid there's nothing so organized as that. I seem to remember such a thing existing a year or so back, but I can't find it. The best I can manage is the search results (http://warseer.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1256251) for people picking a new 40k army, usually out of four or five options.

Were there any armies you were interested in in particular? If not, what Fantasy army did you collect, or what sort of play style do you generally prefer?

Shooting or assault?

Elite or horde?

Evil or slightly-less-evil?

That sort of thing.

chocks
06-04-2009, 21:38
I played Vampire Counts in fantasy when I played a few years back, but this time around I'm going with Lizardmen. As far as the other questions, I prefer a nice blend of assault and shooting - I think a too heavily focused army tends to be bland - I prefer elite to horde, and good guys over bad in general. I was thinking about playing Eldar maybe, but I'm not up to snuff with the 40K fluff, or even how these guys operate and if they'll fit the kind of army I'm looking to field. Thanks for the search results Lord Cook.

SPYDER68
06-04-2009, 21:41
Sounds like you would like Space Marines..

Elite compared to reg infantry


Good at just about everything

Dexter099
06-04-2009, 21:42
Chaos Marines might be your thing. They are elite, slightly flexible, use a good contrast of shooting and assualt, and can lean either way. They are usually evil, however.

Sisters of Battle might be something else that fits you.

Irisado
06-04-2009, 22:02
If you would like to know how the Eldar play in fifth edition, please feel free to have a look at the Eldar Guide (link via my signature), since this will give you some idea of how they work.

Obviously, some of the rules and concepts may not be familiar to you, but hopefully it may give you enough of an idea for you to be able to decide whether or not you are interested in pursuing that avenue.

Lord Cook
06-04-2009, 22:12
I prefer a nice blend of assault and shooting - I think a too heavily focused army tends to be bland - I prefer elite to horde, and good guys over bad in general.

Ok well we've got 12 armies in all:

Imperial Guard
Space Marines
Witchhunters
Daemonhunters
Chaos Space Marines
Daemons
Eldar
Dark Eldar
Tyranids
Orks
Necrons
Tau

You say you prefer elite to horde. Ok. While pretty much any army can be made elite in one form or another, that generally leaves us here:

Imperial Guard
Space Marines
Witchhunters
Daemonhunters
Chaos Space Marines
Daemons
Eldar
Dark Eldar
Tyranids
Orks
Necrons
Tau

Now you'd also like a blend of assault and shooting. Again, this can be done to an extent by anyone, but if we stick with what the armies are best suited to:

Space Marines
Witchhunters
Daemonhunters
Chaos Space Marines
Daemons
Eldar
Dark Eldar
Tyranids
Necrons
Tau

Finally, you favour good guys. It must be said that 40k doesn't really have any 'good guys' in the traditional sense, but if we remove those races who are most clearly 'evil'. Again, not a great description, but we'll run with it:

Space Marines
Witchhunters
Daemonhunters
Chaos Space Marines
Eldar
Dark Eldar
Tyranids*

*Tyranids are like a locust swarm. Some people find 'trying to eat everything' pretty evil. Depends.

You didn't say how much you value winning, but given that you are new to 40k I really wouldn't recommend Daemonhunters as they are a very difficult army to play well with, and to a lesser extent that applies to Witchhunters as well. So that leaves us with:

Space Marines
Witchhunters
Daemonhunters
Eldar

Good news is, Eldar are still there. In terms of the army, Eldar are most similar to the High Elves of Warhammer Fantasy, however there are clearly differences. Eldar armies tend to be highly maneuverable and with great destructive power, while being relatively fragile (with the notable exception of Eldar vehicles). The individual units are generally highly specialised but need to work together in order to get the best out of them. While they probably prefer shooting, there's more than enough assault potential here if you want to mix it up in hand to hand as well. The Eldar army book (or 'Codex') is well balanced, well written and easily competitive, while not being broken. I would say it's a perfectly good army for a newcomer to 40k, but with enough interesting stuff to keep you going for a good long while. They have powerful units, but are generally few in number and place more emphasis on offense than defense.

In terms of the fluff, the Eldar are an extremely ancient race that once ruled the galaxy. In a cataclysm known as 'The Fall' the vast Eldar empire was shattered, with the vast majority of it's worlds and peoples destroyed. A small fraction of the people escaped on vast space-faring cities known as 'Craftworlds', where the Eldar reside to this day. Each Craftworld has a unique culture and favoured units and tactics. Eldar are the most strongly psychic of all the 40k races, and very highly technologically advanced. However they are also incredibly arrogant, looking only to their greatness before the Fall and considering other alien species like humanity to be little more than animals. They have been known to ally with other races such as humans where it has served their personal benefit, however they think nothing of betraying such erstwhile allies, casting them aside as soon as they have outlived their usefulness.

Mojaco
06-04-2009, 22:15
We have
Chaos - evil
Imperial Guard - horde
Tau - shooty
Orks - horde and 'evil'
Tyranids - horde and evil
Dark Eldar - evil
Daemons - evil

Which leaves us with these elite, shooty/assaulty good guys
Space Marines - No introduction needed really. Powerful but common.
Witchhunters - Mostly shooty and the most hordy of this list. Also all-metal (except allies)
Daemonhunters - Not really competitive. All-metal (except allies)
Eldar - Also powerful and common, but less common then marines. Best variety of this list.

edit; super ninja'd. Look at the size of that list! He must have been typing before I noticed this thread, got a drink, clicked on the topic title, took a dump and started reading and typing myself.

Lord Cook
06-04-2009, 22:17
You forgot Necrons as well. ;)

chocks
06-04-2009, 22:24
Thanks Lord Cook and Mojaco for the lists. I think they've helped affirm my selection of Eldar :) It's good to know what else is out there too and what is typical of the various armies, and I think your lists have done a good job helping me know what to expect.

@ Irisado - that PDF looks pretty useful / extensive. Thanks for sharing! I'll be sure to scour through it in the near future :)

Mojaco
06-04-2009, 23:15
You forgot Necrons as well. ;)
Who plays those? ;)

good choice on Eldar. One note though; if you really like converting but aren't an expert then marines might still be better. Eldar are hard to convert, being metal and all pretty-like and all.