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Saim-Hann Lord
08-04-2009, 14:01
Right...I have had three armies for a couple of years now and I'm getting a bit bored with the constant rotation between them.

I have a Saim-Hann army of nothing but flying death. I prefer speed over strength and love that aspect about the Eldar and the Saim-Hann.

I have a Tyranids army thanks to Starship Troopers :D I love the horde-like swarm of sheer malice and hatred coming over to rip your face off and eat you!

I have a Guard army as this is the closest I can get to being part of a real army. Plus Guard are just awesome! :)

So here's the thing, I'm toying with the idea of starting a new army...but not sure what. I will not play Marines because I don't like them. They're just big girls. My brother mentioned an all vehicle Ork army. But I'm not sure.

So is there anyone out there that can give me a sales pitch on what army to field and why?

Thanks :)

Mannimarco
08-04-2009, 14:19
im having some success with my deffwing orks, theyre hard as nails, mega tough (2 wounds and mega armour) the full army has at least 3 power fist attacks each so is death to everything from MEQ to guard and tanks, its a smallish army so can be painted in a short space of time using some very simple techniques and is different from most ork armies so usually turns heads on the table

my army has:

2 warbosses (ghazkull)
4 squads of 5 mega nobs
4 battlewagons

painting them is just spray them black, drybrush them silver then give them a couple of washes of devlan mud or gryphonne sepia for that rusted effect, its that simple

laudarkul
08-04-2009, 14:33
I play Guard, started and hoping to finish 2000 pts GK only and maybe some 500-1000 SoB coupled with 1000 =][= till the end of this year. My next serious involvement will be DE:). I want smth from the bad side and the DE should be perfect.based on all rumors they'll have a new codex next year with new miniatures/new rules/a reborn. I like them for their evil souls full of despair ;), for their tragedy.

Captain Micha
08-04-2009, 14:38
Play Necrons. Maybe if enough Necron players emerge, Gw will stop neglecting us.

If you want an army that you know will most likely never get an update go Crons.

Because Necrons have the coolest models ever.

Nids aside at least.

Hypaspist
08-04-2009, 14:38
I'm about to start an Ork Waaaaaaaaagh because of the scratchbuildability of the Ork Race, I figure that an Assault on Black Reach box, and a box of nobs along with a healthy supply of misc modelling material should allow me to create a 1750 point army of death for less than 100...... (sure its a time investment but what the hey!)

(2 dreads, 6 kans, 3 trukks, battlewagon is going to be the scratch build project)

and whilst I am doing that i am saving up for a DE army, as I used to have a force but my friend wanted to get into the hobby and liked the idea of evil space elves so his need was greater than mine.

Those Dark Eldar are going to get some serious love though, I have a special fund just for their release... (and they are dead good fun to play with, my favourite part is counting how many slaves you have captured in each battle..... bwahahahahahaha!)

Saim-Hann Lord
08-04-2009, 14:41
I don't know.

There's nothing really jumping out at me. Can anyone recommend a themed list they use? Possible colour schemes to use on a specific type of list e.g. a cool camo scheme on battlesuits?

And idea I had was possibly a Khorne Beserker army? I dunno.

How about you tell me what you love most about your army and maybe that'll spark up something?

Captain Micha
08-04-2009, 14:46
I don't know.

There's nothing really jumping out at me. Can anyone recommend a themed list they use? Possible colour schemes to use on a specific type of list e.g. a cool camo scheme on battlesuits?

And idea I had was possibly a Khorne Beserker army? I dunno.

How about you tell me what you love most about your army and maybe that'll spark up something?

I love the fluff for the Necrons, and I love the models. (Hate the range. There's no excuse for any of those metals to be metal at all) The monolith is one of the neatest kits of all time period. So brutally simple, and yet so impressive to behold on the battlefield. I love how good my army looks, especially given my modest painting skills.

There's alot of good to be had when being crons, but I will warn you in advance it's like playing pre 5e guard. You do it cause it's fun. Not because you are going to win.

Mannimarco
08-04-2009, 14:46
at the end of the day you will have to pick somthing that appeals to you, ive already put forward deffwing, gave you a list, gave a colour scheme and what appeals about them (theyre tough as nails and death to anything they touch)

if you are interested in tau id go farsight, good background story, plenty of rumours abour it (heas a daemon, no its a necron or eldar weapon)

or my own personal favourite tau army, brightsword on es'tau

Saim-Hann Lord
08-04-2009, 14:52
There's alot of good to be had when being crons, but I will warn you in advance it's like playing pre 5e guard. You do it cause it's fun. Not because you are going to win.

Eh? The guys at my shop who play Necrons win all the time. The Necrons are such a powerful army whenever I've seen them.

Captain Micha
08-04-2009, 14:54
Against what kind of army?

GEQS?

Crons lose so badly to Nidzilla, Mech Lists, and non Gunline Meqs it's not funny. (to say nothing of what Orks can do to crons)

The only thing Crons excel against is Gunline armies. Which aren't exactly a hot ticket item right now either.

Saim-Hann Lord
08-04-2009, 14:55
at the end of the day you will have to pick somthing that appeals to you,

You're absolutely right. That's going back to the basics of the game.
"What army should I play?" asks the 13 year old
"Whatever you think looks the coolest." answers the smiling staff member

I think a Tau battlesuit army could look impressive. But it's all about the troops now. So I don't know. Plus I'd want a very good paint scheme. Not just a mish mash of colours I like.

Man I'm such a pain in the ass :(

Mannimarco
08-04-2009, 15:01
yes you are but its ok we forgive you lol (im messing with you)

ok try this for an army, its my old brightsword army as it appeared in the book kill team

for this you will need the forge world battlesuit with the missle pod tower on the back and the shas'o r'myr model for his sheild and chest plate. it makes a stunning army commander, paint him up a very dark grey colour, black and white tau symbol on the chest plate and a couple of red bands on the armour

for the fire warriors, use the same dark grey for the clothing and use a midnight blue for the armour plates with a blood red identification mark on the helmet and leg armour

its a stunning army on the table and already has its own established fluff

Nym
08-04-2009, 15:05
Eh? The guys at my shop who play Necrons win all the time. The Necrons are such a powerful army whenever I've seen them.

That tells us a lot about the level of gaming at your shop. :angel:

I'll second Micha when he says that Necrons look impressive on the battlefield, and add :

*They're the easiest army to paint, ever. In two weeks you can get 2k points painted, because a simple drybrushing is all you need for 90% of their models. Their vehicles are even simpler (if you follow GW paint scheme), all you need to do is a black basecoat and green highlights.

Hypaspist
08-04-2009, 15:11
I think a Tau battlesuit army could look impressive. But it's all about the troops now. So I don't know. Plus I'd want a very good paint scheme. Not just a mish mash of colours I like.


So it sounds like you have almost made a decision?
If you like your aesthetics then (imo) Tau are one of the nicest armies out there. battlesuits/broadsides *do* look cool, as for the color scheme, again thats entirely your own choice, in the end you are going to answer your own questions, all we will be able to do is help define what the question you are going to answer is.

In terms of a new army,
What aesthetics are you looking for? (smooth lines/curves, harsh edges, symmetry or lack thereof?
What play style are you looking for? (Fragile, sturdy, fast, slow, tough etc?
What *feel* do you want (in terms of army composition?)

also whats most important? look - codex flexibility - ability to win.

Depending on how you play your armies you (potentially) already have horde, fragility, speed, and vehicle-heavy covered to a lesser or greater degree. So it's all down to what do you want this new army to give you?

Personally I lean more towards a 'glass sword' when I am playing over solid reliability as I like the win big-lose big style, but its all down to choice.

so come on give us more clues!

Captain Micha
08-04-2009, 15:15
If you decide on Tau I recommend at least two broadsides in your list. They are pretty much -mandatory- at this point.

Also, either convert them so that the rail guns are on their arms rather than their shoulders, or get the FW kits instead, they look like awesome and win incarnate when made this way.

BobTheZombie
08-04-2009, 15:23
I was in a fairly similar position to you at the atart of the year, although my only army at that point was Black Legion. I started a Deathskull Ork army because the new releases looked pretty nice. Now I find it hard to use my Chaos as the Orks are so much fun to use and so completely different to use- I now find it amusing and rare to hit something in the shooting phase and pass armour saves.

Based on my I'd recommend something completely different to what you're used to. Tau sound like they could fit the bill, but as a halfway point between Saim-hann and Guard; a bit less maneuverable, a lot more shooty than the panzees. As liong as you think your new army is cool, I don't think you can lose.

Saim-Hann Lord
08-04-2009, 15:30
[QUOTE=Hypaspist;3449984]In terms of a new army,
What aesthetics are you looking for? (smooth lines/curves, harsh edges, symmetry or lack thereof?
What play style are you looking for? (Fragile, sturdy, fast, slow, tough etc?
What *feel* do you want (in terms of army composition?)

also whats most important? look - codex flexibility - ability to win.[QUOTE]

My style was described by the old manager of the Dundee store. He said it's what he loved about my lists. I get something in my head and I go with it...in abundance!

For the Eldar it's nothing but Jetbikes.
For the Nids it's nothing but Genestealers.
For the Guard it's nothing but Shock Troops.

I like laying out lots of the same things. The look on the opponents face. The feeling I get when I look down and think...yeah, that's cool.
I dunno, I guess it's a fairly simple view of having lots of the same thing painted the same and looking the same whilst cool at the same time.

So I guess symmetry to an extent. I'd choose smooth lines over harsh.
I don't have much sturdy so I'd toy with the idea of that. But there must be speed.
And feel? Composition? Ne razumem :(

Captain Micha
08-04-2009, 15:35
Necrons are the army for you then. Since so few of our units are viable, you are going to be taking loads of the same thing.

There can be "speed" with crons.. providing you do something like Double Lith, DS them in and pull warriors through the portal from reserves....

Hypaspist
08-04-2009, 15:53
I get something in my head and I go with it.


Ok so we just need to find you your bag and you will be away!


I like laying out lots of the same things.... The feeling I get when I look down and think...yeah, that's cool..... So I guess symmetry to an extent.... I'd choose smooth lines over harsh.
I don't have much sturdy so I'd toy with the idea of that. But there must be speed.


Micha has a point with the Symmetry of the Necrons and you can get a really solid look and feel with them, but you really sound to me like you have a massive hankering for the "Greater Good".
in termsof aesthetics the Tau seem to fit your bill (smooth lines, fast, sturdy)
Their vehicles are very sturdy, as are their battlesuits and broadsides.
even the basic trooper looks very nice.
very mobile
and able to bring to bear a large amount of fire.

In terms of getting one army to look all the same, you won't be able to do the same in terms of the Eldar with the wind host, but a mechanised tau list can look very threatening and very beautiful, my friend plays predominantly Tau Fire warriors and broadsides with the odd hammerhead here or there, when he does mech up it's a real sight.

Saim-Hann Lord
08-04-2009, 16:01
You're right, I do hanker towards the greater good.
But I don't want this to start a discussion about the Necrons see themselves fighting for the greater good and other armies etc etc

I think the Tau is winning though...

Mannimarco
08-04-2009, 16:04
yay and another convert to the greater good!

Saim-Hann Lord
08-04-2009, 16:09
Just need to look at the codex and start writing up some list ideas.
And then I need to get a colour scheme sorted.

Ok, next problem? What color to paint them?
My nids are of a green/brown jungle theme.
My eldar are red.
My guard are terracota/scab red mars planet theme.

My favourite color is blue however I don't necessarily need to use that. I like plain and simple. And quick. I'm a lazy painter. My brother mentioned a grey and soft blue urban camo paint scheme as I know the Tau don't go for outrageous schemes. They tend to lean towards the environment.
So can anyone suggest two or three colours for an environment?

PhantomRonin
08-04-2009, 16:10
Necrons always fight for the greater good....themselves.

Mannimarco
08-04-2009, 16:11
*cough* brightsword on es'tau/sarcassa *cough*

Saim-Hann Lord
08-04-2009, 16:12
*cough* brightsword on es'tau/sarcassa *cough*

Sorry? I don't get the reference...

Mannimarco
08-04-2009, 16:16
no reference, im just pushing you to get a brightsowrd army as they appeared in the book kill team

brightsword being one of the better Tau characters IMO

Captain Micha
08-04-2009, 16:18
There's a few really neat paint schemes for the Tau. one of my favs came on the Devilfish box and is featured in the codex.

It's white with blue and gray camo.

I also like mine.

http://sparkster11.deviantart.com/art/The-Lone-Fire-Warrior-114626109

Mannimarco
08-04-2009, 16:24
thats pretty cool, IIRC the white blue and gray camo is a variation of the daly'th sept

best thing to do is get youself a copy of the tau codex, have a look at some of the suggested schems and see what you like

Hypaspist
08-04-2009, 16:26
If you are a lazy painter then I am not going to suggest the stunning colour scheme I saw at Warhammer world last month (white with reds and grays for the record)

Greens and browns work well

however you could always theme a paint scheme around black with some nice opposing colours for the flash/stripes and fluff it around a night ops specialist cadre, after all you can equip the black sun filters which mean night fighting doesn't hurt you so much and a spray gun hides a multitude of painting sins.... ^^

Scorcher505
08-04-2009, 16:28
I play as necrons now and have had nids in the past, but if I ever were to start a new army it would be orks because they make me laugh

Saim-Hann Lord
08-04-2009, 16:34
however you could always theme a paint scheme around black with some nice opposing colours for the flash/stripes and fluff it around a night ops specialist cadre, after all you can equip the black sun filters which mean night fighting doesn't hurt you so much and a spray gun hides a multitude of painting sins.... ^^

That's such an awesome idea! I can't believe I didn't think of it seeing as I play Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 like a religion!!

A Spec Ops night force cadre. All the sights of the battlesuits can be green for the nightvision. Genius!

I have officially stolen your idea :)

Thanks!

Now...what weapons to equip the battlesuits? :P

Hypaspist
08-04-2009, 16:44
I have officially stolen your idea :)
Thanks!


You are welcome, glad to have helped!

my work here is done!
:D

Mannimarco
08-04-2009, 17:34
depends on your usual opponents, against MEQs go for plasma rifles, againts orks its got to be the burst cannon and missle pods (whis is, ironically the equipment brightsword had when his forces attacked the night world of sarcassa)

Captain Micha
08-04-2009, 17:41
I think the flamer, burst cannon is better vs orks.

LordofWar1986
08-04-2009, 17:49
Magnetize the crisis suit arms to switch them out in non tourneys. It is surprisingly easier then at first glance.

blackroyal
08-04-2009, 18:39
I think the flamer, burst cannon is better vs orks.
If you're using the flamer you had best kill all of those orks.

weirdo2590
08-04-2009, 18:48
flamer + tau + unkilled models = dead tau

Simple as that realy. Go for non flamer template weaponry, if you get ranged you can employ the irritating but effective jump shoot jump tactic. Move into line of sight, shoot, jetpack back into hiding in the assualt phase.

Vic
08-04-2009, 18:49
Whatever your going to get, you better do it quick as per this thread:http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192372

Orange Juice
09-04-2009, 04:21
So here's the thing, I'm toying with the idea of starting a new army...but not sure what. I will not play Marines because I don't like them. They're just big girls. My brother mentioned an all vehicle Ork army. But I'm not sure.




I, sir, take offense to that. The emperor's finest are hardly girls.

Brucopeloso
09-04-2009, 08:20
You're absolutely right. That's going back to the basics of the game.
"What army should I play?" asks the 13 year old
"Whatever you think looks the coolest." answers the smiling staff member

I think a Tau battlesuit army could look impressive. But it's all about the troops now. So I don't know. Plus I'd want a very good paint scheme. Not just a mish mash of colours I like.

Man I'm such a pain in the ass :(

Ok, let's get scientific: as you say is all about the troops so what army has cool troops thatyou can have fun building and painting and play with? Answer this question and you'll have the army you want.

If you cannot answer straight away try going by exclusion: ok you already have eldar and nids so they are off as are marines. This leaves a fair few but only you can decide who makes the short list and who's out.

Bugger too late!
Yay for tau!

Popsical
09-04-2009, 09:53
Ok Daemon hunters, witch hunters, necrons or Dark eldar.

My reasoining being that you get more reasons than anyone else to slag off GW for not releasing a new codex, and get to gloat endlessly if you beat anyone else who is poor enough to lose to you with a 5th edc codex army LMAO.

Oh and the fluff still fits the armies and doesnt just promote you to buy all that kicks a$$ :)