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LKHERO
13-04-2009, 19:40
What does yours look like?

My friends and I are going to be trying escalation size games to get some players playing Fantasy. We're going to start with 1000 points and steadily make out way up to 2250. This also presents a chance for us more veteran Fantasy players to teach the newer guys to ropes on why Fantasy offers so much more than 40K :-P

My only problem is that I don't normally play games at this point range and I was wondering what your list of 1k points will look like.

So show off your lists gents, I'm eager to see what you guys have.

Here's what I'm packing:


994
High Elves

LORD:
Korhil = 140
Lv.2 Mage (Seerstaff, Dispel Scroll) = 185

CORE:
20x Spearmen (FC, War Banner) = 230

SPECIAL:
7x Sword Masters (Blade Lord) = 117
5x Dragon Princes (Banner of Ellyrion) = 185
1x Lion Chariot = 140

Classical Mushroom
13-04-2009, 19:56
Heroes

Vampire, Dark Acolyte, Summon Ghouls - 145pts

Vampire, Dark Acolyte, Summon Ghouls - 145pts

Core

12 Crypt Ghouls, Crypt Ghast - 104pts

12 Crypt Ghouls, Crypt Ghast - 104pts

11 Crypt Ghouls, Crypt Ghast - 96pts

Special

5 Black Knights, Full Command, Banner of the Dead Legion - 205pts

Rare

4 Cairn Wraiths - 200pts

Total 999pts

Might as well teach them while their young :)

SiNNiX
13-04-2009, 20:00
This also presents a chance for us more veteran Fantasy players to teach the newer guys to ropes on why Fantasy offers so much more than 40K :-P

For once we strongly agree on something, LKHERO. :) However, I think we're in the same boat in that I don't think I have ever played a game below 2k points so I'm not sure I'll be much help here. However, your list looks pretty solid for what I'd think you'd need for a low-point game so idk... *shrug* Looks good to me I guess.

bob_the_small
14-04-2009, 10:51
Well here goes! It's Dark Elves so all you pansy High Elves might want to step back...


Master
Armour of darkness
crimson death
130

Sorceress - x2 Dispel Scrolls - 150

10 xbowmen - 100

10 xbowmen - 100

17 black guard
full command
standard of hag graef (ASF)
Ring of Hotek
316

x2 bolt throwers - 200

996

EDIT : change rare

Sidorio
14-04-2009, 11:15
1000 points can only have 1 rare slot so either the hydra or the 2 bolt throwers. You can't have both. My 1000pt DE list is one that has resulted in me being told to try something different at that many points. Essesntially 60 shots aa turn and knights.

bob_the_small
14-04-2009, 11:45
Thanks sidorio, i forgot about that i have been playing 2k for too long me thinks...

Cats Laughing
14-04-2009, 22:50
L2 Mage w/ Seerstaff of Saphery(? the one that allows you to pick your spells rather than roll for them)

15 Swordmasters w/full cmd, Banner of Sorcery
20 Spears w/full cmd
10 Archers
10 Archers

2 Repeating Bolt Throwers

995pts (I think :) )

No cavalry type speed, means it's mostly defensive, but not purely shooty, as the infantry blocks are decent at this level and against certain opponents I have found myself advancing down their throats (though typically only after having soften them up with some shooting :)

2 Massacres and a Draw under my belt so far.

Have found the Banner to give me too many power dice on occasion, but since I often need more than 4 power dice and won't give up the Seerstaff for a Jewel of Dusk, I figure it's ok. And when I decide that High Magic is the most worthwhile choice against my opponent, the extra dice can allow for all three spells (2 + drain magic) to be cast.

W0lf
14-04-2009, 23:02
WoC

Scroll caddy general
135 pts

2x 5 marauder horsmen
MoS, Flails
162 pts

5 Chaos knights
MoK
230 pts

5 Chaos knights
MoK
230 pts

5 Chaos knights
MoK
230 pts

WhiteKnight
14-04-2009, 23:39
hehe pansy high elves you call us? Well can you have.....

Dragon Mage: level 2, gem of sunfire, guardian phoenix (435)

Archers: 10 (110)

white lions:15, full command (255)

Repeater Bolt Throwers:2 (200)

Total:1000 flat.

A dragon, 2 bolt throwers, and a crazy CC unit / Cav Killers. Thank you very much!

Andrew Luke
15-04-2009, 00:08
wow nice to see yall introducing new players with completely broken garbage lol

Firestorm Falcon
15-04-2009, 00:21
Dragon mages are hardly broken, now Anarsil the dragonlord well, thats a different story at 1k :)...

Anyway, my HE list is

Noble dragon armour, barded steed, lance, reaver bow, enchanted shield (155)
Mage lvl 2, jewl of the dusk, dispel scroll (170)
Archers x10 (110)
Swordmasters x12 Champion, talisman of loec (202)
Dragon Princes x6 banner, banner of ellyrion (215)
Great Eagle (50)
Bolt Thrower (100)

Pretty shooty but it'll still eat you in combat ;)

mikepm07
15-04-2009, 04:25
wow nice to see yall introducing new players with completely broken garbage lol

I think he was referring to the "scroll caddy/min core 3 units of Chaos Knights", "17 blackguard, ASF, ring of hotek, oh and 2 bolt throwers", "cairn wraiths, black knights, GHOULS" kind of lists.

For some reason I thought people would take more friendly lists at lower point levels, as few tournaments are ever @ 1,000 points.

I was wrong!

Stuffburger
15-04-2009, 05:29
A hordey O&G list on the friendly side would look like:

Black orc bigboss, Boar, HA, Shield, Akrit Axe
NG shaman, staff of sneaky stealin'
Goblin Bigboss BSB, LA, wolf, Sword of might

25 Boyz w/ extra choppa, FC
25 Boyz w/ shield, FC
30 Night goblins, FC, 2x fanatics
5 spiders, mus

2 Spear chukkas

/clutches cramping painting hand and looks with hate upon your 30 model HE lists

bob_the_small
15-04-2009, 09:33
A hordey O&G list on the friendly side would look like:

Black orc bigboss, Boar, HA, Shield, Akrit Axe
NG shaman, staff of sneaky stealin'
Goblin Bigboss BSB, LA, wolf, Sword of might

25 Boyz w/ extra choppa, FC
25 Boyz w/ shield, FC
30 Night goblins, FC, 2x fanatics
5 spiders, mus

2 Spear chukkas

/clutches cramping painting hand and looks with hate upon your 30 model HE lists

Why dont you use Martog's best basha?



WoC

Scroll caddy general
135 pts

2x 5 marauder horsmen
MoS, Flails
162 pts

5 Chaos knights
MoK
230 pts

5 Chaos knights
MoK
230 pts

5 Chaos knights
MoK
230 pts

NO way anyone could kill that!

EldarBishop
15-04-2009, 12:23
I also concur that Fantasy is the superior game :p

Well... here's my 1k Errantry War list. (I know that the EW list might not be valid in some tourneys anymore... shows you the last time I played Fantasy @ 1k :D )

I'd give that WoC list a good game... :p

Bretonnian - Errantry War - 998 pts

Paladin [134] - General, Grail Vow, Grail Shield, Lance

Paladin [129] - BSB, Virtue of Duty, War Banner

7 Knights Errant A [161] - Errantry Banner, Cavalier, Musician
** General and BSB usually go here.

6 Knights Errant B [156] - Errantry Banner, Grail Knight, Musician

6 Knights Errant C [156] - Errantry Banner, Grail Knight, Musician

3 Pegasus Knights [175] - Musician

5 Mounted Yeomen [87] - Musician, Shields

Yakovs
15-04-2009, 19:19
wulfrik the wanderer
185pts

20 chaos marauders
flails
command
MoK
130

20 chaos marauders
flails
command
MoK
130

20 chaos marauders
flails
command
MoK
130

5 hounds
30

5 hounds
30

6 marauder horseman
flails
MoK

giant
MoS
265

moreso for fun than anything else and relatively fast and hordey for chaos which is a nice change

Shamfrit
15-04-2009, 19:41
Master
Heavy Armour, Lance, Sea Dragon Cloak
Enchanted Shield, Lifetaker
Cold One
152

Sorceror
Level 2
Dispel Scroll, Sacrificial Dagger
185

---

15 Dark Elf Warriors
Full Command
Shields
120

10 Dark Elf Corsairs
Musician, Repeater Handbows
105

10 Dark Elf Corsairs
Musician, Repeater Handbows
105

5 Harpies
55

---

5 Shades
80

Corsair Chariot
100

---

Repeater Bolt Thrower
100

sergio
15-04-2009, 20:05
roughly:


war dancer noble w/ blades of loec
branchwraith w/ cluster

10 glade guard
8 dryads
5 glade riders

7 war dancers

treeman

Tunnel Rat
15-04-2009, 20:22
Here's my Skaven.

Hero, Chieftan (naked)
Hero, Warlock Engineer (2x dispel scrolls, warp blades, energy condenser)
Core, 2x 20 slaves
Core, 1x 25 clanrats (full command, warp fire thrower)
Core, 1x 25 clanrats (full command, ratling gun)
Core, 1x 24 clanrats (full command)
Core, 1x 3 giant rat packs
Special, 1x 5 gutter runners (poisoned hand weapons, tunnel team)

1000 points

Cats Laughing
15-04-2009, 20:59
I think he was referring to the "scroll caddy/min core 3 units of Chaos Knights", "17 blackguard, ASF, ring of hotek, oh and 2 bolt throwers", "cairn wraiths, black knights, GHOULS" kind of lists.

For some reason I thought people would take more friendly lists at lower point levels, as few tournaments are ever @ 1,000 points.

I was wrong!

It depends. I have thought about taking:

5 Lion Chariots
10 Archers (cause I need at least 1 core and Silver Helms aren't anymore :(
Mage/Noble with various magic items
and add to the Archers (or swap for Spears) to fill out points.

Given that 1000pts list typically aren't used in tourneys, the idea of taking interesting lists (as opposed to tourney lists) is given more ground.

That said, I probably wouldn't serve brie to new players, until they've been sucked in so far they won't be scared off too easily.

rtunian
15-04-2009, 21:27
if you wander down the wrong caves, you might be ambushed by night gobbos! not the hardest 1k o&g list, but there aren't many options with ng's (and the balanced o&g list has already been posted hehe). snots follow any greenskins, and trolls are dumb enough to be herded like squig, so it's pretty much ng's, snots, and trolls for the options hehe.

ng big boss, nibbla's ring, ench shield, lt armor - 72
ng shaman, sneaky staff - 100
ng shaman, 3x magic mushroom - 80

24 ng, banner, music, nets, fanatic x2 - 169
23 ng, full command, nets, fanatic x2 - 174
21 ng, music, bows - 67
21 ng, bows - 63

7 squig hoppers - 105
3 squig herd teams - 90

2 pump wagons - 80

1000

Taureus
16-04-2009, 02:12
For my Woodies
===========
Noble w/ HoDA LA/S/GW : 113pts

Glade Guard (x10) : 120pts
Dryads (x8) : 96pts
Dryads (x8) : 96pts
Dryads (x8) : 96pts
Dryads (x8) : 96pts
Dryads (x8) : 96pts

Treeman : 285pts

Total: 998pts

jason
16-04-2009, 02:43
Here is the Tomb Kings list I am currently working on:

Hero:
TP + chariot + great weapon (149)
LP* + cloak of dunes + enkhil's kanopi (155)
LP + horse (123)

Core:
Skele x10 w/ bows (80)
Skele x22 w/ HW/Sh + light armor + cmd (223)
Heavy horse x5 (80)

Special:
Chariot x3 + icon of the sacred eye (190)

Total: 1000
*=hierophant

amade0
16-04-2009, 09:24
for the broken 1000pt DE list scrap the bolt throwers for a hydra (saves 25 pts) 13 attacks a turn with hatred hurrah
then buy a scroll or darkstar cloak with the 25 pts u saved

W0lf
16-04-2009, 09:33
Sorry i missed the bit about new players :P

I wouldnt take 3x khorne knights vs a new player at 1K, hell they wouldnt want to ever play fantasy again :O.

Against a newer player id suggest taking 2 infantry blocks, a shooty unit and a combat charcter+lvl 2.

Gives a nice spread and dabbles in all 3 phases.

Lewis
16-04-2009, 10:20
Heroes

Vampire, Dark Acolyte, Summon Ghouls - 145pts

Vampire, Dark Acolyte, Summon Ghouls - 145pts

Core

12 Crypt Ghouls, Crypt Ghast - 104pts

12 Crypt Ghouls, Crypt Ghast - 104pts

11 Crypt Ghouls, Crypt Ghast - 96pts

Special

5 Black Knights, Full Command, Banner of the Dead Legion - 205pts

Rare

4 Cairn Wraiths - 200pts

Total 999pts

Might as well teach them while their young :)

Cairn wraiths could really cause some misery in a 1000 point game, you are a cruel, cruel person :)

My Bret I'm currently building runs at:

Paladin, enchanted shield, horse, sword of battle (113)

Paladin BSB, horse, virtue of discipline, war banner (135)

Paladin, virtue of empathy, shield. (72)

8 knights of the realm, full command (216)

8 knights errant, full command, (181)

10 bow men, villein (65)

10 bow men, villein (65)

10 bow men (60)

trebuchet (90)

997.

I really like 1000 points because you can do somethng strongly themed quite easily. At some point I'd like to do an entirely mounted 1000 O&G list

a squig
16-04-2009, 10:46
2x 20 spears sarus full command
2 x 11 skink scrimishers
1x 12 skink scrimishers
2x Lv2 Sknk preists

works ok in a 1000 torniment we just had

Taureus
16-04-2009, 14:42
for the broken 1000pt DE list scrap the bolt throwers for a hydra (saves 25 pts) 13 attacks a turn with hatred hurrah
then buy a scroll or darkstar cloak with the 25 pts u saved

You mean 11 attacks. The Beasthandlers only have 2 attacks each.

LKHERO
16-04-2009, 15:30
Sorry i missed the bit about new players :P

I wouldnt take 3x khorne knights vs a new player at 1K, hell they wouldnt want to ever play fantasy again :O.

Against a newer player id suggest taking 2 infantry blocks, a shooty unit and a combat charcter+lvl 2.

Gives a nice spread and dabbles in all 3 phases.

Yes please..

A little more friendly on the lists guys. I'll post a uber list thread later lol.

Desert Rain
16-04-2009, 16:54
Here's the 1000pts list I've been using recently. It has never lost me a game.

Mage (175 pts)
Level 2
Ring of Fury

Mage (170 pts)
Level 2
Jewel of the Dusk
Dispel Scroll

19 Spearmen (196 pts)
Sentinel
Standard Bearer
Musician

10 Swordmasters (150 pts)

5 Silver Helms (123 pts)
Shields
Musician

1 Tiranoc Chariot (85 pts)

1 Repeater Bolt Thrower (100 pts)

Total: 999 pts

sergio
16-04-2009, 17:04
You mean 11 attacks. The Beasthandlers only have 2 attacks each.

i thought they were 2 attacks + scourge (extra hand weapon)?

Classical Mushroom
16-04-2009, 17:30
Cairn wraiths could really cause some misery in a 1000 point game, you are a cruel, cruel person :)

What can i say I'm dead inside :cries:

weirdo2590
16-04-2009, 18:44
What can i say I'm dead inside :cries:


Sad to hear that :)

---------------------------------------------------

Thought I'd try actualy writing a list that wont make the new players cry their way back to 40k.

Warrior Priest: Hammer of Judgement, Armour of meteric Iron - 140

Battle Wizard: Level 2, Dispel Scroll - 125

25 Swordsmen: Full command, Detachment: 5 handgunners - 215

25 Halbrediers: Full command, Shields, Detachment: 5 handgunners - 215

5 Knights, Musician - 123

10 Crossbowmen - 80

Great cannon - 100

Total 998.

Made using the Fighty character, lv 2, two infantry blocks and something shooty aproach. Should be a little piece of everything in there.

Cats Laughing
16-04-2009, 21:10
Yes please..

A little more friendly on the lists guys. I'll post a uber list thread later lol.

I'd probably post my 2 RBTs 20 Archers, Spears and Swordmasters list there too, simply because it has worked well.

While it's good to not scare new players away, I think it's also good to show them some tricks. I think a new player would enjoy an occasional WTF moment, as long as that's not all they think the whole game.

For instance, I think adding an Assassin with upgrades to an otherwise innocent looking block of DE spears would be a fun way to introduce a new player to some DE sneakiness. And "a" unit of Khornate Knights would be ok.

Anyway, I'm thinking of branching out into Dwarves, so I hope someone posts a nice starter 1000pt list that I can think about forming an army around.

Btw, should we be trying to post lists for using against new players, or lists that can be used by new players to teach them the ropes?

bob_the_small
16-04-2009, 21:40
You mean 11 attacks. The Beasthandlers only have 2 attacks each.

I'll think you find they have 3 each.. they FAQ'd it...

LiMunPai
16-04-2009, 22:05
My 1000 pt. fun Woodelf list is:

Branchwraith with Radiants and Netlings
BSB with Sword of Might and Stone of the Crystal Mere
8xDryads
8xDryads
8xDryads
5xGlade Riders with Musician
5xGlade Riders with Musician
7xWardancers (forgot if I had the champ or not)
Great Eagle

It relies on getting extreme multi-charges in order to win, but the mobility and ability to send units into combat because of the BSB gets the game into combat mode as quickly as possible without sacrificing tactics. I originally made it because running around and shooting the enemy got to be really annoying for my opponents.

bob_the_small
16-04-2009, 22:08
I originally made it because running around and shooting the enemy got to be really annoying for my opponents.

Isnt that what tree hugging hippy elveses do?

LiMunPai
16-04-2009, 22:25
Isnt that what tree hugging hippy elveses do?

Yeah, that's true, but in 1k it is way too easy for Woodelves to avoid the opponent on a 6'x4' board, which is what we play 1000 pt. games on. No one wanted to switch the table size, so I changed my list so that it would be more fun to play against.

Stronginthearm
16-04-2009, 23:48
My vamps I'm not sure if its mean or not I've only played with it twice and both times won

Vamp (150)
Dark Acolyte
Avatar of Death


Vamp (190)
Dark Acolyte
Book of Arkhan
Lord of the Dead

Necromancer (180)
Corpse Cart w Unholy Loadstone
Scepter de Noirot

14 Skelitons(probably spelled that wrong) FC (165) Banner of Hellfire (because I've got 10 extra pts)
14 Ghouls Ghast (140)

Vargulf (175)

stonetroll
17-04-2009, 01:34
WoC

Scroll caddy general
135 pts

2x 5 marauder horsmen
MoS, Flails
162 pts

5 Chaos knights
MoK
230 pts

5 Chaos knights
MoK
230 pts

5 Chaos knights
MoK
230 pts

Lol, if they allready know 40k I think you could show them this list and then give them the similiarities between this and a 40K SM list of 1000 pts with 3 Land Raiders :p.

Papa JJ
17-04-2009, 01:36
"Battle For Skull Pass" Night Goblins list:

Night Goblin Big Boss - great weapon, light armor (36)
Night Goblin Big Boss - shield, light armor, Martog's Best Basha (49)
Night Goblin Shaman - level 2 wizard, 2 Magic Mushrooms (105)

Forest Goblin Spider Riders x 10 - full command (160)
Night Goblins x 25 - spears, full command, Fanatic (145)
Night Goblins x 25 - spears, full command, Fanatic (145)
Night Goblins x 20 - short bows, full command, Fanatic (105)

Night Goblin Squig Hoppers x 5 (75)
Squig Herds x 2 (60)

Trolls x 3 (120)

Total Points: 1000

I think this is a good list to use for introducing new players as it utilizes Games Workshop's product targeted at that very thing, Battle for Skull Pass. Considering the frequently high cost involved in this hobby, this is a relatively affordable intro army as almost all of the minis come from the Battle for Skull Pass box and GW's beginners fantasy paint set (for the 10 extra spear gobs). All that's left to purchase are one goblin hero blister, two squig blisters, two trolls, and the squig hoppers. It's still costly but probably one of the cheaper ways to get started with an Orcs and Goblins force. Nonetheless it's a fun army to play and retains much of the O&G character. I think it's good for new players also because the miniatures are simple and fast to paint.

EDIT: I forgot the box of fanatics for the purchase list... the costs keep going up and up. Hmmm, a metaphor for the hobby itself, maybe?

Frep
17-04-2009, 02:09
For my 1000 point dwarf list I'd use this set up.

Thane- Shield, Master Rune of swiftness, rune of cleaving, rune of speed (no sense in risking having my ASF fail)- 142

Runesmith- Shield, Master Rune of Balance- 122

20 Warriors- Shield, fullcommand- 205

20 Warriors- Shield, full command- 205

15 Quarellers- Shield, full command- 205

Cannon- Engineer, rune of reloading, rune of burning- 120 ( A bit pricy for a cannon, but very reliable and good at killing trolls and the like. Sometimes I wouls swap it out for two bolt throwers with engineers)

Total 999 points

I'd like this list for new (dwarf) players as it shows them how easy it is to shut down an enemies magic phase, some nasty rune tricks (ASFs thane is a nasty suprise), and would teach them to not be afraid of getting their missle troops stuck in.

For a second 1000 point starter list here's an empire list. It's still a fairly basic list, but it would be decent for new comers because it includes a small amount of magic, shows the importance of the detachment system, further experience with war machines, but without the reliability of the dwarf cannon, and the value of the stubborn troops.

Captain of the Empire- Full Plate armour, shield, silver horn, sword of striking- 110 points

Battle wizard- Leve 2, dispel scroll- 125 points

20 Swordsmen- Full command, 5 crossbowmen detachment, 5 free company detachment- 225

20 Halberdiers- Full command, shields, 5 crossbowmen detachment, 5 free company detachment- 225

10 Handgunners- 80

15 Greatswords, full command- 180

Motar- 75

Total 1000