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Red Scorpion
19-12-2005, 02:15
I'm interested in the Zombie Pirate list, anyone used this?
Is the list official? Would I be able to use it without opponents permission?
I think it would be great fun to convert, possibly fun to play too..

Anyone got any tips and tactics? (wrong forum for tactics I understand, but I thought it was best to ask here than repeat myself in the tactics forum..)

Chris

gorenut
19-12-2005, 07:37
Aside from tournaments.. no one should have ANY problems playing against it. The army is seriously lacking and is underpowered.

raygungothic
19-12-2005, 10:09
I don't play them, but someone at my local store does and I've played against them on occasion.

They're a very characterful possibility. The amount of work involved in getting them on the table is necessarily large, but they can look excellent.

I'm told they're not a good army in larger games due to having very few choices, but it is possible - though it looks like quite hard work - to win with them in smaller ones. I've drawn against them as Bretonnia (I thought it was in the bag, then he pulled off a good recovery with the banshee-like thing that reduces LD, combined with a Terror causing monster) and seen them beat Dwarfs, so they can't be all bad.

Griefbringer
19-12-2005, 11:28
As per the article itself, it is an official list.

However, it has its problematic parts, like the compulsory special character.

Stouty
19-12-2005, 12:02
I beat them once, quite easily too, but he isn't a great player and that was one of his first few games with an undead army.

I see potential for wins, but you'd need to be smart.

Which you may or may not be. (experience with VC/TK would help, VC more so than TK)

Scythe
19-12-2005, 12:03
Very characterfull list, tough maybe a bit predicatble and lacking in some areas. Some choices are really good (standard cannons are a bargain), while others not so. Still, a full army of them on the table should look stunning, and it's quite fun to fire a cannonball that uses a template, even if it blows up before doing any damage. You know it is going to annihalate those units of 30-40 models some day.

Keller
19-12-2005, 12:28
Its definately a fun-looking army. Too bad you must take a special character for it though; I really hate when they make lists like that. I'd like to convert the army, just because I think it would look awesome, but I have more than enough on my plate before adding a whole new army.

If its as challenging as some say, I might have to rethink making the army. I like my VC army, especially zombies(!!!!), but find it much too easy to win with overall. A great looking, difficult to play army may just be the ticket for me. Maybe I will do some proxie games to test it out a bit before committing.

Here I thought when I finally got around to finishing up my Empire and Ogre armies, I would try my hand at the new Dwarves. Oh well, before them it was Dogs of War, Wood Elves, etc....

mageith
19-12-2005, 13:47
Anyone got any tips and tactics? (wrong forum for tactics I understand, but I thought it was best to ask here than repeat myself in the tactics forum..)

One of our players in my league has the army. I've played against it twice and seen it in action three times. Its record 0-4-1.

His first army had lots of bloated corpses and four cannons.

In his last two games he added a unit of 8 Animated Husks (St 5, Wo 3 with D6 attacks for only 40 points. They can easily handle one flank.

He also has a Rotting Leviathon which is obviously a large target but no mention of that is in the book. Has there been a ruling? It hasn't been much of a factor. Not sure why.

He loves the Deck Droppers (Bats).

Always striking last is a bummer. At least many of Zombies have WS 3 instead of WS2 like 'normal' zombies.

Mage Ith

Stouty
19-12-2005, 14:50
Has anyone tried plumping all your characters in one big mob and giving a BSB dead man's chest? All your eggs in one basket may just work.

Red Scorpion
20-12-2005, 00:59
I just noticed the 2000pts+ thing they have.
That might not work, was wanting to start small. Can VC hire ogres? I'd almost started raiding bitzboxes for pirate zombie bitz (an army in which I can mix possibly my two favourite boxed sets rules). Also have a mordheim youngblood to convert into a syreen/banshee. I may just convert up some pistol-toting zombies, have a von carstein, use my units as stand-ins until I manage to get up to 2000pts.
Anyone have any suggestions? What size base would a syreen/banshee require? Its the Middenheim female youngblood if anyones interested :)
Thanks for suggestions so far!
Chris

aakurtz
20-12-2005, 04:07
A guy at my store plays them sometimes and i got the imrpession that they are pretty weak and underpowered.

gorenut
20-12-2005, 09:47
It's weak because you get all the inheret weaknesses of zombies but without their biggest benefit since you can't summon anymore. Their small arms aren't trustworthy because they have just as much chance to hurt themselves as the enemies. Rotting Hulks suffer from braindead rule as well.. so that kinda sucks (as does Rotting Leviathan). I think their main strong points are their cannons.

Scythe
20-12-2005, 11:28
I just noticed the 2000pts+ thing they have.

Don't let such things bother you. Just throw out the special character in games less than 2000 pts. I can't imagine someone not letting you play with that.


That might not work, was wanting to start small. Can VC hire ogres? I'd almost started raiding bitzboxes for pirate zombie bitz (an army in which I can mix possibly my two favourite boxed sets rules). Also have a mordheim youngblood to convert into a syreen/banshee. I may just convert up some pistol-toting zombies, have a von carstein, use my units as stand-ins until I manage to get up to 2000pts.
Anyone have any suggestions? What size base would a syreen/banshee require? Its the Middenheim female youngblood if anyones interested :)
Thanks for suggestions so far!
Chris

VCs can hire Ogres as any other army. Banshees are on 20x20 mm bases. Anyway, integrating in an excisting VC army is a good idea, but you shouldn't let the stupid 2000+ restriction prevent you from playing smaller games.

Rider of the lightning
20-12-2005, 12:33
I have to agree, Zombipirats are weak and underpowered. I had played against them and it was a massacer. Did I mention that I played with Dark Elves and that my tactic was anything but perrfect?
It's just a fun-army.

Chaos and Evil
20-12-2005, 12:48
I don't play them, but someone at my local store does and I've played against them on occasion.

They're a very characterful possibility. The amount of work involved in getting them on the table is necessarily large, but they can look excellent.

I'm told they're not a good army in larger games due to having very few choices, but it is possible - though it looks like quite hard work - to win with them in smaller ones. I've drawn against them as Bretonnia (I thought it was in the bag, then he pulled off a good recovery with the banshee-like thing that reduces LD, combined with a Terror causing monster) and seen them beat Dwarfs, so they can't be all bad.

Hey dude, I was there to see that game (The Plaza store, no?), that was a mad recovery he had there.

I wouldn't say Zombie Pirates are underpowered, just a force which requires some unique tactics.

Stouty
20-12-2005, 15:00
Of course they are underpowered, but they get more use than if they were overpowered.

If you want an army, get one, you'll have some fun. If you're very conscerned about winning, go get a normal VC army and perhaps theme it a little.

Red Scorpion
21-12-2005, 01:17
Was sure I'd already replied to this!
This will be my first warhammer army (after around about 5 warhammer 40k forces). Zombies rule! As do pirates.
I think I'll have fun with this army, spoke to a friend who will probably be the person I play against most...
He's fine about me using them without Luthor, I'm going to go into my local GW and ask around there, see what they think. The reason I showed interest in the Ogres/Hulks is because I want to convert up some zombie ogres! Not to mention the fact they already have the pirate ogre :)
Going to go for this and start some conversions tonight!
Chris

Stouty
21-12-2005, 01:36
Piccies for a poor orphan please.....

Seriously, post up some pictures f you can and congratulations for being one of the elucid few who has understood the meaning of warhammer :D

Red Scorpion
21-12-2005, 04:10
Not so sure about pictures, maybe after christmas...
So far I have bitz for about 20 zombies (plus an insane amount of zombies on 40k bases, that are on their way to becoming Lost and the Damned that would just need rebasing..), the aforementioned Middenheim lassie for a syreen and a wyvern that would just need the wing-joints resculpting, some other parts resculpting and basing to make a great leviathan. Its the old-school Azhag one.

Chris

Red Scorpion
21-12-2005, 04:11
Oh, and a Vampire from Heresy Miniatures that just screams Luthor..

raygungothic
21-12-2005, 11:03
Hey dude, I was there to see that game (The Plaza store, no?), that was a mad recovery he had there.

Yes, that was at the Plaza, and yes, it was a truly mad recovery. I know I'm not a great player, but I was still astounded at how well he managed to pull back from the brink of utter defeat there. His terror causing monster and LD-reducing siren are a pretty worrying combination by any standards, I'd definitely focus more effort on them in a rematch)

(May I ask - are you one of the thursday night regulars, and if so, which one?)

(I can't make it this week, but will be there in the new year)

Chaos and Evil
21-12-2005, 18:31
Yes, that was at the Plaza, and yes, it was a truly mad recovery. I know I'm not a great player, but I was still astounded at how well he managed to pull back from the brink of utter defeat there. His terror causing monster and LD-reducing siren are a pretty worrying combination by any standards, I'd definitely focus more effort on them in a rematch)

(May I ask - are you one of the thursday night regulars, and if so, which one?)

(I can't make it this week, but will be there in the new year)

I am indeed one of the regulars... I've got long hair and often wear a cowboy hat :angel:

raygungothic
22-12-2005, 09:23
I am indeed one of the regulars... I've got long hair and often wear a cowboy hat :angel:

Ah, right. (Though... thinking about it... does that description alone actually narrow things down to one person?)

(I am, of course, Silly Hat Guy, and if you belittle the quality of my generalship on this forum I shall have to... um... humbly admit you're absolutely right)

Chaos and Evil
22-12-2005, 11:00
Ah, right. (Though... thinking about it... does that description alone actually narrow things down to one person?)

(I am, of course, Silly Hat Guy, and if you belittle the quality of my generalship on this forum I shall have to... um... humbly admit you're absolutely right)

Hmmm, how can I further narrow it down.

I AM COMPLETELY EVIL! MWAAHAHA!

That help? No?

I play Lizardmen (Green painted for the most part) and Elysian Drop Troop Imperial Guard. I also have a cowboy hat made from real kangaroos, which is not as good as a tricorn hat I grant ye but it comes a close second.

Nineswords
22-12-2005, 11:20
Heres a link to a truly astounding pirate army that one of my friends has done.

Enjoy, it may inspire some more conversions!

http://www.dysartes.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3638

raygungothic
22-12-2005, 12:43
Hmmm, how can I further narrow it down.

I AM COMPLETELY EVIL! MWAAHAHA!

That help? No?

I'm not sure :-)


I play Lizardmen (Green painted for the most part) and Elysian Drop Troop Imperial Guard. I also have a cowboy hat made from real kangaroos, which is not as good as a tricorn hat I grant ye but it comes a close second.

It's OK, I know who you are. Didn't know about the Drop Troop Guard.

The kangaroo hat is a very nice hat, and I suspect it may also win out over the tricorne on long term durability. I've been wearing mine in the rain for only about six years now and it's looking rather battered. Still warm and waterproof though, and v. comfy as the weather has softened and deformed it into just the right size and shape for my head... so it stays!

Keller
22-12-2005, 14:48
Heres a link to a truly astounding pirate army that one of my friends has done.

Enjoy, it may inspire some more conversions!

http://www.dysartes.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3638


Those are some awesome pictures, and the whole army sounds fantastic. You must congradulate him for me.

Now I really want to do the army again... :cries:

raygungothic
22-12-2005, 15:21
Heres a link to a truly astounding pirate army that one of my friends has done.

Enjoy, it may inspire some more conversions!

http://www.dysartes.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3638

Those are really rather lovely. Um, perhaps lovely isn't the word I mean. But very nice stuff indeed.

Scythe
23-12-2005, 09:30
Amazing army. If it wasn't for the other hundreds of models I have to finish....;)

Nineswords
23-12-2005, 12:22
Note: The armies owner has posted up some new shots.

Check out the rotting leviathan!

Xas
23-12-2005, 14:46
I'll be adding the usual: "OMG, I'm so going to do this army!!" comment. Pirates and zombies all rolled into one, what more could I ask for? Building a zombie pirate regiment as we speak.
Got an idea for the shipscannon: Ogre leadbelchers, four cannon and four animated hulks all in one box.
As for a Leviathan. I'm still going for a homemake deep sea fish like this Ogrefish (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/abyss/life/w62.html), or -if I horribly fail- some huge crablike thing based on a Carnifex, or even both. I guess they are rare choices.
A friend is bringing WD 305 & 306 by tonight, so I can read up on this fun army. I have no idea what bloated corpses or deck droppers do, but I'll find out soon enough and then think up some models for them.

Scythe
23-12-2005, 17:19
Note: The armies owner has posted up some new shots.

Check out the rotting leviathan!

Very nice. I'd really like to see that Leviathan painted.

ZomboCom
23-12-2005, 21:15
I'm a Zombie Pirate player, in fact I'm the one who drew with raygungothic's Bretonians the other week. I can definately say from my experience that the list is certainly underpowered, but it's also a lot of fun to play. It's certainly not a list for newbies to take on, as it's not easy to win with and requires some delicate tactics.

My current army list is pretty poor, but I only have 1000 points painted up, which really limits my options. That said, I'm not doing too badly. I have 2 wins (dwarves, ogres), 2 losses (skaven, ogres) and a draw (bretonians) under my belt with this list. My current list is (from memory):

Captain (pistols, light armour, bill's buckler, rats)
Syreen
21 Deckhands (std + mus)
10 Gunnery Mob (pistols std+mus)
10 Gunnery Mob (handguns)
3 Deck Gunners
5 Dogs (inc Bad Dog)
Bloated Corpse
3 Deck Droppers
Carronade

The next thing I'll be doing is dumping some of the weaker units (gunnery mob, deck gunners) and throwing in some animated hulks for some hard hitting punch.

I also have an experimental 1000 points list that I'd like to try out..

3 Syreens
Queen Bess
Carronade
6 Animated Hulks
5 Scurvy Dogs
20 Deckhands

I reckon that could be quite nasty if used right.

If I can be bothered, I'll knock up some photos of my units, if anyone's interested. They're hardly fantastically painted - I spent about twice as long converting as painting...

Xas
23-12-2005, 21:33
Sure, I think this is a conversion army first and a battle winner second. So please post some pictures. You show me yours and I'll show you mine ;) (in a while).
Got the WD now, those deckgunners don't look so good. Hitting on a 6, they are worse than TK arcers with shorter range.

Stouty
23-12-2005, 23:54
They are also just as likely to blow themselves up.

Great.

Red Scorpion
24-12-2005, 01:23
I had a similar idea regarding the Leadbelchers, but I was going to use the Ogres for Ogryns..
Please post up some pics!
Chris

ZomboCom
24-12-2005, 01:28
Ok, as promised here are the pictures of my army to date... Virtually none of them have had the bases done yet (only 1 has in fact). I've not included the Leviathon, because it's way too WIP.

Also, bear in mind that I painted this whole army in a week...

http://elf.planetquake.gamespy.com/pirates/

Scythe
24-12-2005, 12:08
Some very nice conversions there. I especially like the captain and the bloated corps with 'extended jaw'.


They are also just as likely to blow themselves up.


Ahh, look at the bright side; it is quite funny when they do. Just think about that Chaos Knight you could possibly nail....;)

raygungothic
29-12-2005, 10:57
I'm a Zombie Pirate player, in fact I'm the one who drew with raygungothic's Bretonians the other week.... I also have an experimental 1000 points list that I'd like to try out:

3 Syreens, Queen Bess, Carronade, 6 Animated Hulks, 5 Scurvy Dogs, 20 Deckhands

I reckon that could be quite nasty if used right.

Gosh. The very thought of that scares me. Particularly as I know I AM going to end up playing against it, and as I've not been making too much progress painting the Empire I'm going to end up facing it as Bretonnia. Which will probably not be pretty.

I could imagine a specialist list beating that... but a generalist force in the hands of a less-than-superb player? Certainly possible, but they'd have a tough time, I think. I suppose you're a bit at the mercy of how lucky you are with the Queen Bess (and scenery!) though.

I look forward to it... but fully expect to sweep hatloads of my models from the table :-)

Red Scorpion
02-01-2006, 04:03
Right, so, I have 20 deckhands, 10 pistoliers, a syreen and 4 carronades on their way...
Any advice on what to add to this? I kinda want rotting hulks, so is 6 a good unit size? How about bloated corpses? Think I could knock up a few from bits very easily.
Chris

ZomboCom
02-01-2006, 20:05
Right, so, I have 20 deckhands, 10 pistoliers, a syreen and 4 carronades on their way...
Any advice on what to add to this? I kinda want rotting hulks, so is 6 a good unit size? How about bloated corpses? Think I could knock up a few from bits very easily.
Chris

My main advice is not to bother with the pistoliers. I've used them in several games, and I'll still to find a use for them. Although you get 2 S4 Armour piercing attacks, you're also WS2 and strike last even on the charge. I find there are never enough guys left to strike back!

As I said before, I'm giving up on gunnery mob altogether, since the shooting is just too inaccurate to be useful. Deck Gunners can be useful, but only against highly armoured, expensive opponents.

Carronades are great for the points, I always seem to make my points back with them. I also recommend getting some dogs, as an 18" charge is always nice, and they can be good for holding up a flank for a turn or two while the enemy advances, or for hunting war machine crews.

Bloated corpses are very expensive for what they are, so don't go down the "army of 50 bloated corpses" route - it'll never work. They are, however, great for deploying in a screen and drawing missile fire. They are great fun to model though.

I'm building a unit of animated hulks at the moment from some old hero quest ogres, I'll let you know how they get on. I think they're probably a good choice, since they're hard hitting and can hold the enemy in combat for a few turns (unlike most of the army). D6 attacks is an interesting one, there's a lot of luck involved, but S5 is nice.

I really recommend the "Leviathon + Syreen" combination, especially against low leadership armies. Terror tests on leadership 2 are not fun... This will also work with the Ship's Colours or just a large unit of zombies charging, but the leviathon's M6 means it can keep pace with the syreen.

Red Scorpion
03-01-2006, 04:21
What did you use for your leviathan? Any pics of your stuff? If thats how you think of the gunnery mob i may just fold them into my deckhands after all. How many points do you generally play?
Chris

ZomboCom
03-01-2006, 10:53
I already posted pics of my stuff earlier in the thread:

http://elf.planetquake.gamespy.com/pirates/

For the leviathon I'm currently using a self sculpted one, but I intend to get the parts do this very soon:

http://home.znet.com/ksterns3/HighElves/Merwyrm1.JPG

I normally only play 1000 points at the moment, as I'm still building my army up. I played a test game with my new list last night (3 syreens, queen bess, carronade, 6 hulks, 5 dogs, 20 deckhands), and narrowly beat lizardmen.

Sure, the Queen Bess in 1000 points is pretty abusive, but there are so many downsides to the list that I think it's fair to use her. I really don't think it's possible to actually be beardy with zombie pirates, since the rules are so awful. Either way, she decimated a bit block of Quetzl Saurus, which was great fun to watch, and took out a salamander.

Red Scorpion
05-01-2006, 01:11
Oh right! Yeh, love your bloated corpses!
Sounds a bit necrophiliac...
Chris