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th0r
01-05-2009, 15:05
So, having been away from the hobby for a bit (about two years) due to work, I have come back and decided to give Fantasy another go. I always seem to make horrible armies, or rather I'm not very good at WHFB (I'm a 40k/Blood Bowl player). My HE army I sold two years ago was an all cavalry list, which I obviously can't do any more and to be honest with the new rules for HE infantry and the suckyness of Silver Helms I doubt I'd want to anyway. I really want to include some lion chariots as they are awesome models (maybe even my favorite). To continue the theme I also took some white lions and there special character Korhil although I'm not sold on either (although I will definitely be using the Korhil model for something). Anyway, I'm not looking to make a super list or anything, but I hate being crushed every game, so give me some help please!

Arch Mage 275pts
-Lvl 4, Jewel of the Dusk

Mage 187pts
-Lvl 2, Ring of Fury, Elven Steed

Korhil 140pts

10x Archers 110pts

16x Spearmen 169pts
-Full Command

16x Spearmen 169pts
-Full Command

15x White Lions of Chrace 305pts
-Full Command, Banner of Sorcery

Lion Chariot of Chrace 140pts

Lion Chariot of Chrace 140pts

5x Ellyrian Reavers 112pts
-5x Bows, Musician

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100pts

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100pts

Great Eagle 50pts

Total:1997

danny7865
01-05-2009, 15:50
you will struggle against magically heavy armies. 5 dd dice really isnt enough.

Taidron
01-05-2009, 16:13
Hi th0r, I think that your list is off to a good start, but I would recommend a few changes.

1) Unit sizes: First of all, I am a bit confused as to why your spearmen units are 16 men strong. You said that you have been away from Fantasy for a couple of years, you know that in 7th edition you need 5 men to get a rank bonus, right? I have a few thoughts about fiddling with your unit sizes, but I would like to know what you are aiming for before I make any suggestions.

2) I think that you should try to find the points to give your mages more stuff. Your lvl 2 mage could carry the Silver Wand and your archmage could carry some scrolls or something for protection. Maybe drop the archer unit to free up some points?

th0r
01-05-2009, 18:13
I guess I was trying to maximize my troops by having smaller squad sizes and keeping the characters cheap(er). Here's an updated list. Not particularly happy with it, I'd love to find the pts to include another spear men regiment, but sadly I doubt I will "find" 200pts!

Arch Mage 350pts
-Lvl 4, Seerstaff, Dispel Scroll, Ring of Fury

Mage 150pts
-Lvl 2, Jewel of the Dusk

Korhil 140pts

20x Spearmen 205pts
-Full Command

20x Spearmen 205pts
-Full Command

15x White Lions of Chrace 305pts
-Full Command, Banner of Sorcery

Lion Chariot of Chrace 140pts

Lion Chariot of Chrace 140pts

5x Ellyrian Reavers 112pts
-5x Bows, Musician

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100pts

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100pts

Great Eagle 50pts

Total:1997

LKHERO
01-05-2009, 18:58
Arch Mage 350pts
-Lvl 4, Seerstaff, Dispel Scroll, Ring of Fury

Mage 150pts
-Lvl 2, Jewel of the Dusk

I already posted this on Ulthuan, but go with Silverwand, Ring of Fury and 2x Dispel on your Archmage, Seerstaff and Power Stone on your Lv.2.

Drop the Ellyrion Reavers for another Eagle.

Cats Laughing
01-05-2009, 20:17
Seerstaff while great on L2s (and maybe L3s) is not worth the points on an L4. Take the Silver Wand instead and you'll save 20pts (another dispell scroll if you like) and get 5 of the 6 spells in whatever lore you choose and therefore have a very good chance of getting the exact spells you want.

yarrickson
01-05-2009, 20:40
another "if you can free the points" (probably byy losing the reavers, they are expensive and about as lng lived as gnats usually) would be to pop the skeinsliver in there. as your army is small anyway it pretty much guarantees you plus 2to go first. also giving your lion champion magic res 1 might be a good idea (believe they faq'd it so you dont get the increased save vs magic)

th0r
02-05-2009, 00:41
Yea I will definitely change that.

Arch Mage 350pts
-Lvl 4, Silver Wand, Dispel Scroll x2, Ring of Fury

Mage 150pts
-Lvl 2, Jewel of the Dusk

Korhil 140pts

20x Spearmen 205pts
-Full Command

20x Spearmen 205pts
-Full Command

15x White Lions of Chrace 305pts
-Full Command, Banner of Sorcery

Lion Chariot of Chrace 140pts

Lion Chariot of Chrace 140pts

5x Ellyrian Reavers 112pts
-5x Bows, Musician

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100pts

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100pts

Great Eagle 50pts

Total:1997

mikepm07
02-05-2009, 22:10
The Reavers are really a horrid fast cavalry unit in comparison to what nearly every other faction has available.

If you need a harassing unit I would get another Eagle, or maybe a Tiranoc chariot.

th0r
03-05-2009, 16:34
I'm thinking of going another way with the list. Could drop the archers in favor of another spear men unit.

Prince 228
-Bow of the Seafarer, Heavy Armour, Great Weapon

Mage 140
-2x Dispel Scrolls

Noble 137
-Reaver Bow, Heavy Armour, Great weapon

10x Archers 110pts

20x Spearmen 205pts
-Full Command

20x Spearmen 205pts
-Full Command

15x White Lions of Chrace 255pts
-Full Command

Lion Chariot of Chrace 140pts

Lion Chariot of Chrace 140pts

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100pts

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100pts

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100pts

Great Eagle 50pts

Total:1910

WhiteKnight
03-05-2009, 18:19
With the left over 90 points, toss in a tiranoc chariot. That and the eagle could harass easily.

danny7865
07-05-2009, 16:29
or shadow warriors.

selone
07-05-2009, 16:34
As an addition I'd like to say korhil is very good, a character conferring stubborn to an unit of he spearmen? yes please :)

bob_the_small
07-05-2009, 19:06
I would only pay for minimun core, so drop a unit of spearmen, and with the 90 points left over you can add in this,

17 swordmasters (room for prince or noble)
full command

it gives you a unit that is better than spearmen, plus you can take away the heavy armour from one of your combat chars and put in dragon armour, you never know when it might come in handy...