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Xaskus
21-05-2009, 15:57
As the title asks, would Enslavers be considered Xenos? They do travel within the Immaterium but would they make them more akin to a Daemon or Xenos?
Thanks for your replies everyone.

Idaan
21-05-2009, 16:05
They are aliens that live partially in the warp. They aren't entities formed from emotions and gestalt souls, so they aren't daemons.

mightymconeshot
21-05-2009, 16:16
Xenos is anything consider non human in orgin. So yes

Inquisitor Engel
21-05-2009, 16:22
Xenos is anything consider non human in orgin. So yes

Hole in your argument - Daemons.

mightymconeshot
21-05-2009, 16:37
I don't see it is a hole. Daemons are manifestations of emotions. They do not exist in a biological sense.

PondaNagura
21-05-2009, 16:39
xenos are non-humans. at a the time of the great crusade what few members who knew about them believed they were paradimensional entities, that could occasionally break into our reality and cause havoc [though that's what the Emperor wanted you to think...]

Enslavers are kind of like an amphibious-xenos, that spends part of their life in reality as it does in the warp.

NightrawenII
21-05-2009, 16:42
I don't see it is a hole. Daemons are manifestations of emotions. They do not exist in a biological sense.

But deamon can *stole* the body.

Im not sure what is the answer.
Xenos are non-human species.
Deamons are denizens of warp.

mightymconeshot
21-05-2009, 16:56
Called possession. It is still a daemon just playing make the meat thing dance. Would a princep be a titan every time he plugged in? No he merely controls it.

The_Chaos_Seer
21-05-2009, 17:56
I would simply be wary about writing about the Enslavers for the "Fear the Xenos" stories. They're cool, but non-codex. If you do, though, maybe try to tie in existing alien races.

That's if I guess the intent of the question correctly...

Maidel
21-05-2009, 20:33
I would simply be wary about writing about the Enslavers for the "Fear the Xenos" stories. They're cool, but non-codex. If you do, though, maybe try to tie in existing alien races.

That's if I guess the intent of the question correctly...

Sorry - which part of them is NOT an existing alien race?

Idaan
21-05-2009, 20:39
Well, there is a clause in the BL contracts that the beginning writers can't write about anything that is far removed from tabletop: obscure alien races, day-to-day life in the Imperium, etc. Essentially you have to write Marine or Guard warporn to get it printed.
But it seems that for that competition that restriction is lifted, so feel free to write about Enslavers.
Oh, and you'd probably like to see Dark Heresy's Creatures Anathema for Enslavers' rpg stats and quite a lot fluff on them.

The_Chaos_Seer
21-05-2009, 20:40
Sorry - which part of them is NOT an existing alien race?

Existing codex race. Something you can use on the tabletop in 5e.

Yeah, I know they had custom rules made up a while ago, and I know they're the core of the downfall of the Old Ones, but I suggest that the core of a story for the competition should focus on one of the main, codex races.

Maidel
21-05-2009, 20:51
Existing codex race. Something you can use on the tabletop in 5e.

Yes - but thats not what he asked - someone else said something about a bl book - but that wasnt actually the question the thread asked (initially at least).


Yeah, I know they had custom rules made up a while ago,

You mean not including the half page they got in Rogue trader then...

borithan
21-05-2009, 20:57
Enslavers, as suggested, have been in the background, and had rules, since the very beginning of 40k.

Arakanis
21-05-2009, 20:59
They're twisted warp entities. They existed in some matter or another in the Warp, and when violence was introduced into the warp, they were changed into the Enslavers (amongst other things)
But, as they're not humans, and not technically daemons, I suppose xeno works.

borithan
21-05-2009, 21:18
Well... xenos, I think, just means "different" or "outsiders", so yes... Everything thats not a human, or a deamon (and maybe even deamons) is xenos.

Maidel
21-05-2009, 21:24
Well... xenos, I think, just means "different" or "outsiders", so yes... Everything thats not a human, or a deamon (and maybe even deamons) is xenos.

I think the question is more where is the 'daemon' line drawn

Is it any warp entity - any entity that can 'possess' someone in the mortal plane?

The_Chaos_Seer
21-05-2009, 21:31
Yes - but thats not what he asked - someone else said something about a bl book - but that wasnt actually the question the thread asked (initially at least).


No, you're right, but I quote myself...



That's if I guess the intent of the question correctly...

My guess was he was asking because he might have had an idea for the competition and wanted to get some general-opinion clarification.


You mean not including the half page they got in Rogue trader then...

No, that's not. I started playing in 3rd ed. Sorry.

Maidel
21-05-2009, 21:36
No, that's not. I started playing in 3rd ed. Sorry.

No worries. Ive heard nothing about this black library thing so im in the dark here - im still working on the original question asked as I dont know the rules for the black library thing.

The_Chaos_Seer
21-05-2009, 21:40
No worries. Ive heard nothing about this black library thing so im in the dark here - im still working on the original question asked as I dont know the rules for the black library thing.

Black Library's newest short story competition... The topic is "Fear The Alien", which breaking away from the standard rules, incourages using aliens in unique ways. All applicants may put two submissions in (500 word synopsis and 1000 word sample writing), some selected to send in manuscripts, then the best manuscript chosen.

Victory gives official publication in an anthology of short stories, with pay, and the privilege of being able to submit novel manuscripts into Black Library for publication :D

Maidel
21-05-2009, 21:44
Black Library's newest short story competition...

Thank you.

Something id like to try - when im not working 60 hour weeks...


Oh wait - that would be never then :cries:

DapperAnarchist
21-05-2009, 21:45
I've heard about the BL thing. The only BL non-standard race I can remember is Raptor Squadron fought the "Noctis" - but you never really see them up close.

However, the Enslavers might be on the standard side, partly because of that half page in RT, and that they play a big role in the Necron Codex.

Oh, and Enslavers, like Astral Hounds, those lizard things, and a bunch of unseen beings, are Warp Fauna, and therefore Xenos. I hold that they are the real natives of the Warp, the Daemons being intruders from minds of creatures in the Real.

LexxBomb
22-05-2009, 04:06
Called possession. It is still a daemon just playing make the meat thing dance. Would a princep be a titan every time he plugged in? No he merely controls it.

actually the princep is the living part of a Titan... when they first 'log on' they merge with the Titan... see Titan comic series by Abnett

DapperAnarchist
22-05-2009, 14:15
Yup. Take a Princeps out of the Titan, they can die, go insane, and at the very least cannot use another Titan.