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The_Chaos_Seer
21-05-2009, 17:55
This is basically a matter of opinion, but how much space do you think different Imperial Guard regiments have in their own structure? Is it planet/system dependant do you think? Would it be very unlikely to find Guard regiments with a named rank system that doesn't involve Sergeant, Colonel, etc...?

So, let's say we have a regiment that uses royal ranks like prince or infante as ranks, would that be highly unlikely? Or highly likely? Or somewhere in between?

Condottiere
21-05-2009, 18:27
It seems that the Imperial Guard system is very regimented. There is some latitude in organization, and it's quite possible that within the Regiments itself, they may call units and subunits, officers and NCOs, by whatever name and title they wish, as long they they correspond to the basic unit and command structure laid out by the Imperium.

Jimbobjeff
21-05-2009, 18:57
The structure stays the same (10 man squads led by a very junior oficer, junior officers lead platoons, senior officers lead companies, realy senior officer leads the regiment) but the titles may differ, so while this 10 man squad is led by a sergeant a different one may be led by a hetman.

The_Chaos_Seer
21-05-2009, 18:59
Okay, that's all I need to know.

Do regiments ever organize themselves differently though? We see combined squads now in the Imperial Guard book. Is this at all supported by logical fluff, fifty men under one leadership?

Condottiere
21-05-2009, 19:08
Until the Second World War, platoons of approximately fifty men, maybe even with support, would be led by a Lieutenant.

Experience gained there caused quite a lot of reorganization and rethinking regarding the span of control that a commander could optimally direct so many men and units.

GW seems more formulaic, or at least the Imperium they have cooked up operates like that.

Modern armies prefer platoons between 20-40 men. Well, 30 plus, anyway.

The_Chaos_Seer
21-05-2009, 19:48
Until the Second World War, platoons of approximately fifty men, maybe even with support, would be led by a Lieutenant.

Experience gained there caused quite a lot of reorganization and rethinking regarding the span of control that a commander could optimally direct so many men and units.

GW seems more formulaic, or at least the Imperium they have cooked up operates like that.

Modern armies prefer platoons between 20-40 men. Well, 30 plus, anyway.

Well, the difference is that the Imperium relies on mingling religion and everything else, including warfare. There is a 'divinely ordained command structure', right? And it all falls from the writings of ancients heroes, so to rethink military organization is to rethink core beliefs, and that seems very anti-Imperial.

That's why there's more ingenuity in our modern military systems then in the Imperial Guard, and more structured-never-altered organization in the IG than in our modern military systems.

imo, of course.

Leftenant Gashrog
21-05-2009, 19:56
Would it be very unlikely to find Guard regiments with a named rank system that doesn't involve Sergeant, Colonel, etc...?


To quote EPIC Armageddon:
Across the Imperium there are almost as many titles for ranks as there are regiments, consequently Colonel, Captain and Lieutenant insignia may be worn by men whose rank name could be either Herzog, Chevalier, Centurion or Hetman.

The_Chaos_Seer
21-05-2009, 20:05
To quote EPIC Armageddon:
Across the Imperium there are almost as many titles for ranks as there are regiments, consequently Colonel, Captain and Lieutenant insignia may be worn by men whose rank name could be either Herzog, Chevalier, Centurion or Hetman.

To quote me:
Thank you.

Edit:

Here's proof:

Thank you.