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CELS
26-12-2005, 03:27
I'm having an argument with my sister, concerning the adverb 'slowly'. We need to know whether or not it is correct to say 'slowlier'. As in "She wrote slowlier than him," or whatever. Both of us have fairly good grades in English, and both of us are quite sure we're right, so it's quite exciting :p

Obviously, I won't tell you what I think, in case I'm wrong.

Oh, and whatever the answer is, some explanation would be excellent!!

IncubiLord
26-12-2005, 03:47
Slowlier is not a word.
It isn't recognized by spellchecking software (MS Word), and doesn't even have an entry in the mighty wikipedia.

arxhon
26-12-2005, 03:48
"Slowlier (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=slowlier)" is not a word as recognized in the English language. The correct usage would be "More slowly" , as in "She wrote more slowly than him". A more concise, accurate and all around better version that conveys the same concept is "He wrote faster than her".

Still don't believe me?

Look it up in the real dictionary at school. OR rather, don't, since you're not in an English speaking country. :D

starlight
26-12-2005, 03:48
The proper term is *more slowly*.:D

In stereo no less.:D

Adept
26-12-2005, 03:48
I have never heard, or read the word slowlier used correctly anywhere. This leads me to believe it isn't a real word. I can't be bothered actually checking a dictionary.

arxhon
26-12-2005, 03:50
The proper term is *more slowly*.:D

In stereo no less.:D

:D

Oh, and i might as well add that i know words that threw my English teachers when i was in high school.;)

CELS
26-12-2005, 03:53
I was right :D Of course, I would have said that anyway....

Thanks guys. Your thoroughness is admirable.

NakedFisherman
26-12-2005, 03:54
"Slower" is the word you're looking for.

"More slowly" I don't think is a phrase that's used much -- if at all. You're just going for a predicate adjective here, and "slower" is the easiest way to say it.

Edit: By the way, if you're sister's over 18 years old, is she hot?

IncubiLord
26-12-2005, 03:58
In truth, the only reason the -ly is used is to make it clear that you're using the word slow as an adverb.
Since slower may be used as an adverb, tossing in the ly would be redundant.
So I'd just use slower, too.

NakedFisherman
26-12-2005, 04:04
In truth, the only reason the -ly is used is to make it clear that you're using the word slow as an adverb.
Since slower may be used as an adverb, tossing in the ly would be redundant.
So I'd just use slower, too.

Yup.

"He wrote slower." (adverb)

"He is slower." (predicate adjective)

IncubiLord
26-12-2005, 04:10
Ooh, fancy English-class words!
Somewhere out there is an english teacher reading this thread and patting herself/himself on the back...

NakedFisherman
26-12-2005, 04:16
Ooh, fancy English-class words!
Somewhere out there is an english teacher reading this thread and patting herself/himself on the back...

German professor, actually. I knew the parts of speech, but there's lots of different variations on the basic parts of speech.

By the way CELS, you're not allowed to mention a sister without answering...

- Is she 18+?

- If so, is she hot?

arxhon
26-12-2005, 04:32
"Slower" is the word you're looking for.

"More slowly" I don't think is a phrase that's used much -- if at all. You're just going for a predicate adjective here, and "slower" is the easiest way to say it.


Sure, you could do this as well. :) However, "slower" has a different connotation than "more slowly".

"She wrote more slowly than him" implies that they both write slow, but one is slower than the other. "She wrote slower than him" implies nothing about speed, only that one is slower than the other; both could be writing quite quickly or quite slowly. Either way, there is no contextual inferred speed in the sentence.

I'm inferring that from the word "slowlier" that they both write slowly (i.e. "he writes slowly, she writes slowlier"), and one writes slower than the other, as the word is an incorrect modifier of the word "slowly".

And at this point, the word "slow" is beginning to divorce itself from its concept, and just look funny.:eyebrows:

IncubiLord
26-12-2005, 04:32
I just can't use words like adverb without poking fun at the mandatory high school/college english classes.
If it's their native language, and they don't speak it well after over a decade of use, you aren't going to be able to fix it now.
EDIT: And give a cookie to arxhon for making solid arguement to support "more slowly."

arxhon
26-12-2005, 04:42
I just can't use words like adverb without poking fun at the mandatory high school/college english classes.
If it's their native language, and they don't speak it well after over a decade of use, you aren't going to be able to fix it now.
EDIT: And give a cookie to arxhon for making solid arguement to support "more slowly."
:D
Thing is, the nude fishing guy and i are both right. It depends on context at this point.

One of the things that makes English a pain is the unspoken context that can be implied or not implied simply by word choice, and as far as i know, there aren't hard and fast rules that one can study in a book to learn.

A fun one is to get students to punctuate the following however they wish:

woman without her man is a savage

IncubiLord
26-12-2005, 04:50
Yes, we're all right if the context agrees with us.
And please don't remind me of the pics Fisherman has floating around...

Woman, without her man, is a savage.
Woman: without her, man is a savage.
Fun with words.

NakedFisherman
26-12-2005, 04:57
"More slowly" and "slower" are both dependent on context. I don't think either implies anything about speed.

Although I speak American English.

ReDavide
26-12-2005, 05:19
Though "slower" (and "slow" for that matter) are used as adverbs in common speech, they are both adjectives.

For formal writing, it's best not to use adjectives to fill an adverb's job.

She writes more slowly than he. (adverb)
She is slower. (predicate adjective)

IncubiLord
26-12-2005, 05:20
Now I'll throw in another!
She wrote even slower than he did.
More common in American English, this has the same implication that "he wrote slowly" as "more slowly." :evilgrin:

New Cult King
26-12-2005, 05:49
Here's a fun play with words:

"I didn't say she stole my money." Simple, yes? Now, put emphasis on the different words, like so:

"I didn't say she stole my money." But somebody else did.

"I didn't say she stole my money." I most certainly didn't say that.

"I didn't say she stole my money." But I thought or implied it.

"I didn't say she stole my money." But somebody else did.

"I didn't say she stole my money." But she may have borrowed/hid/spent it.

"I didn't say she stole my money." But she stole somebody else's.

"I didn't say she stole my money." But she stole something else of mine.


Nothing to do with slow/slower/slowlier etc. Just fun with the English language.

CELS
26-12-2005, 08:54
By the way CELS, you're not allowed to mention a sister without answering...Fair enough, since I invariably ask other people the same..


- Is she 18+?
Yep.


- If so, is she hot?
Hot enough to have a boyfriend...

If I thought my sister was hot, would you be interested? :eyebrows:

Inquisitor Maul
26-12-2005, 14:55
Hot enough to have a boyfriend...

If I thought my sister was hot, would you be interested? :eyebrows:

Let the chorus of PIX PLZ begin :D

Piku
26-12-2005, 20:11
I like the word slowlier. I'm going to start using it.
In fact I will probably put it in the play i'm writing. Thank you CELS', sister.

NakedFisherman
26-12-2005, 20:45
Though "slower" (and "slow" for that matter) are used as adverbs in common speech, they are both adjectives.

For formal writing, it's best not to use adjectives to fill an adverb's job.

She writes more slowly than he. (adverb)
She is slower. (predicate adjective)

Slower most certainly is an adverb.

Edit: Oh, and pics with White Dwarf.

Hideous Loon
26-12-2005, 22:34
Second the nude fishing fella. We want pictures of your so-called "hot" sister, and with a White Dwarf as proof. Maybe even a sign with your username on, to be über-ultra-mega-[random HUGE-meaning prefix]-secure.

And "slowlier" is just garbage, use "slower" or "more slowly" if anything at all.

Wiseman
27-12-2005, 10:21
i used slowlier in an english essay and the teacher didnt pick it up.....

CELS
27-12-2005, 11:20
Thanks again, everyone.


Edit: Oh, and pics with White Dwarf.
With a White Dwarf? Are you calling me a liar, NakedFisherman? I should report you to the mods.

Well, here she is... Dancing with my White Dwarf... typical.

Inquisitor Maul
27-12-2005, 14:11
Dang, she's hot. Maybe I should come "visit". Sweden is not so far away ;)

Wez
27-12-2005, 14:22
Dang, she's hot. Maybe I should come "visit". Sweden is not so far away ;)
LMAO!

Look in the top left hand corner of the picture. Search "Taylor Rain" in google. Probably best to put safe search on, because I don't want a strike.:p

http://www.larrytt.com/celebrities_playing_tt/taylor_rain.jpg

http://images.google.co.uk/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official_s&hl=en&q=taylor%20rain&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wi

-Wez

Inquisitor Maul
27-12-2005, 14:41
LMAO!

Look in the top left hand corner of the picture. Search "Taylor Rain" in google. Probably best to put safe search on, because I don't want a strike.:p

http://www.larrytt.com/celebrities_playing_tt/taylor_rain.jpg

http://images.google.co.uk/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official_s&hl=en&q=taylor%20rain&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wi

-Wez

Dude, I'm not totaly blind. Just had to play along to not make him feel bad ;)

Wez
27-12-2005, 15:07
Dude, I'm not totaly blind. Just had to play along to not make him feel bad ;)
But you didn't play along with me?!:cries:

[back to topic]:p

-Wez

Piku
27-12-2005, 17:18
WDs do make excellent table tennis paddles.

Prince_Tyrion
27-12-2005, 18:27
Pornstars do make excellent WD holders.

OT: Slower. I'm doing English at degree and me no like teh language part.