View Full Version : Nork goes to cry havoc '09 !

28-05-2009, 16:33
Hello warseers, in a similar vein to recent posters I'm inviting you good folk to predict how many points I'll get at cry havoc '09 a 50 person tournament in scotland! You can also if you want post how many points you thinkto this thread and if right, you'll go into the draw to win a not so fantastic prize with no monetary value whatsoever!
It's worth noting that I will be taking Orc's to the tourny with an army forced upon the constraints of what I have painted. It'll likely be my usual army stle with another unit of fast cav, some magic defense and more boyz. Full list will be posted later.

Massacre is Winner- 60 points 0 loser 0
Solid victory 50/10
Marginal victory 40/20
Draw 30/30.
A fully painted army gets an extra 20 points

Link to the rules pack- http://z11.invisionfree.com/THE_GAMES_CLUB/index.php?showtopic=2570

Quick summary

3 games which are all pitched battle.
1999 points (ie no lords, 3 specials, 1 rare)
No named or special characters/unit champions etc.
You can use DoW, SoC armies and Chaos dwarves.
There are no army composition rules/army selection requirements.
There are no points for sportsmanship or army composition though they reserve the right to penalise bad sports.

28-05-2009, 16:37
My bet is 140 points (not including painted points).

Go Orcs!!! :D

28-05-2009, 16:40
How many matches will you play?

28-05-2009, 16:41
you'll go into the draw to win a prize .

:eek: a prize as well :p

Well i was going to say 140 as well , but that includes the painted army points (120 without)

28-05-2009, 16:45
Oh no! I thought the poll didn't include the painted points... :(

And here's hoping for that prize ;) Which I can only assume is a vacation to Vagas! (At the winner's expense :p )

28-05-2009, 16:47
It's 3 games- I'd be happy with 80 points btw folks, your confidence whilst very touching may be misplaced ;) Sooo many fear causing enemies :p

BTW how did you manage to reply to this thread before I posted it?

28-05-2009, 16:51
I went 101 - 120 That would put you in the middle bracket with a win, a loss, and a draw.

28-05-2009, 16:55
It's 3 games- I'd be happy with 80 points btw folks, your confidence whilst very touching may be misplaced ;) Sooo many fear causing enemies :p

Seeing as you are 4-0 against deamons I think it's safe to say you know how to deal with it :D

29-05-2009, 09:57
Thank you, this is my armylist so far-

Nork Sharptooth. Orc big boss, light armour, shield, boar, warboss um's big boss at135
Norglor Bannabasha, Black Orc big boss, heavy armour, boar, bsb, morks spirit totem 180
Gobblit of Dark Mountain, night goblin shaman, staff of sneaky stealing 100

Nork's Lads. 25orcs, shields, full command 180
Wisenhorde Lads. 25 orcs, shields, full command 180
Wisenhorde Choppa boyz 25 orcs, 2 choppas, full command 205

Nork's Arrer boyz. 10 arrer boyz, musician 65 pts
Shoota boyz 10 arrer boyz, musician 65 points

Lazyeye stabbas. 29 night goblins, musician, standard, nets
Red mountain gits. 21 night goblins, bows, musician,
Red mountain stikka’s 21 night goblin archers, musician,

Widow Makers, 5 spider riders, musician 71 points.
Funnel spiders, 5 spider riders, musician 71 points
Snarlin’ Howlers, 5 wolf riders, musician 71 points


2 spear chukka’s 70 points
2 spear chukka’s 70 points
7 squig hoppers 105


1 doom diver 80

Total 1999

So this is my 1999 list, coments very much welcome especially on big boss item setup. Please note I am only using troops I have the models for (this is pretty much all I have except for a 2nd rare and 4th special) the TO got back to me and said I can use converted orc's as savage orc's but I have been very busy today and it's a lovely day out so thats a no go :)
Feel free to point out any points mistakes there may or may not be though there may be fanatics in my unit's ;) PM me for details.

Chaos Undecided
30-05-2009, 13:16
I'd be tempted to give the Big Boss the Iron Gnashas plus either a Sword of Battle or Martogs' Best Basha (you could have the kickin boots in you dont want to put your trust in getting killing blows off).

30-05-2009, 18:01
List looks fine.

(You still love those arrer boyz eh? ;) )

30-05-2009, 21:53
Quite a decent list if I may say so, but allow to make some comments:

Your Warboss seems rather cheap and hes very easily killed in a challenge in the setup you have now. If you arm him with the reroll to hit weapon and killing blow boots, opponents will at least hesitate to take him out in a challenge. I also like upgrading him to a Black Orc.

Depending on your local metagame you might want some more magical defence (scrolls).

I personally would not put too much faith in your N-Goblins. Sure, they're quite cheap, but all added together they come to a reasonably scary amount of pionts that are totally random and as likely to hamper you as do you any benefit. Might wanna change them for a Giant or something like that? (ie something that actually scares your opponent).

Fastcav is fine, but consider upgrading to spears + short bos on all units (only if spare points).

Try getting in a second doom diver (if you're allowed double rare choices). with 4 chuckas and 2 divers you really put the pressure on your opponent.

just my 2 cents.

31-05-2009, 03:04
Won't he have 7 Dispel Dice? That looks like plenty of magic defence to me.

I'm going to say in or around 120 points.

31-05-2009, 16:22
Hey again folks, I just got back from Cry Havoc, some quick replies-
Chaos undivided- thats not a bad build certainly I've used the +1 S, A, WS, I bigboss before.
Malorian- I do like arrer boyz though I probably had too much core unit shooting for that point level and the table size, was a bit hamstrung in what I had though.
Stonetroll- Thank you, this was a 1999 tourny mind, a black orc boss is better there's sadly no doubting that but I wanted to keep the theme of Nork being an orc and there was spears on the fast cav (the list posted to warseer wasn't quite perfect- 5 unequipped wolf rifders aren't 71 pts). I like bows on wolf riders but not spider riders.
Draconian77 Indeedy my magic defense was more than up to the job.

For the tournament itself I had a great time- but the tole of a 5 am start and then a 7 am start (after 9 pints and a bit of a haggis) has left me a little tired :) It was a very well run tournament and for the price of a tenner with free dinner a bargain. I will write up a (brief) report but in less detail than my usual reports.
Oh and I didn't win the tournament, nor did I finish last ;)

31-05-2009, 18:57
It was a good Day. Was around 6 Orc and Goblin players.
Vampire counts won with Dark elves second.
4 Dark elves finished in the top 10 lol

I came 13th out of 48 which I was happy with since I usually play High Elves.

Below is my orc and goblin list:

Orcs and Goblins 1999pts

Black Orc boss:
Ulag’s Akrit Axe Amulet of protecyness, Shield, heavy armour, Boar Chariot: 221pts

Orc Shaman
Level 2, Dispel Scroll x 2: 150pts

Black Orc big boss:
Heavy armour, Battle Standard, Morks spirit totem, Boar: 180pts

25 Night Goblins:
3 Fanatics, Nets, Banner/ Musician:197pts

25 Night Goblins:
3 Fanatics, Nets, Banner/ Musician:197pts

21 Night Goblins:
3 Fanatics: 138pts

23 Orc boyz:
Shields, Full Command: 168pts

23 Orc boyz:
Shields, Full Command: 168pts

10 Orc Big uns:
Extra choppa, standard Gorks Waaagh Banner: 140pts

7 Squig Hoppers: 105pts

2 Spear chukkas: 70pts

Goblin Chariot: 60pts

Giant: 205pts

31-05-2009, 19:49
Aye for the record the top 5 was-

1) VC's
2) DE
3) DE
4) DoC
5) WoC

6-10 must of been 2 DE's, a DoC and 2 others then.

Few Facts
The guy that won as well as drinking tennants like it was going out of fashion was using wraiths with the helm of commandment and the GG bunker. He managed to avoid demon's (I think as none of the demons got a massacre first)
The fourth place demon player (defending champion) hilarously lost most of his plaguebearer's and his herald (general) on turn 1 by a flame cannon direct hit and therefore drew his first game and a chance of the top finish.
No one got 3 massacres, although several got 2 massacres and wins.

I saw 5 On'G armies, about 5 skaven armies there was at least 5 VC's, 4 demon's and a load of DE's.

01-06-2009, 07:38
It was a really fun day. Deffo going next year.

Also remember there being (maybe wrong on some numbers)

3 Empire (1 had a steamtank)
2 High elves (no star dragons/teclis = Not many high elves)
1 Wood Elf (he came 16th)
1 tomb king
1 bretonnian (with a unit worth 1200pts!)
2 Lizardmen (I think people missed the slann)

Skaven, dark elves and Orcs seemed to be the main numbers

I think every army had a player except Beasts of chaos

Guy who came last had 35 Flesh hounds! some of us were really worried when we heard his list at the start of the event but when you think about it the second ranks are just wasted points (2 units of 10, 1 of 15)

02-06-2009, 10:52
For the record here was the top 10-

1) Scott McGregor (VC)
2) Neil McCay (DE)
3) Tim Gronenberg (DE)
4) Andy Bushell (DoC)
5) Mark morrow (WoC)

6) Trevor Moffat (Lizardmen)
7) Donald Macallum (Lizardmen)
8) Owen Bell (Empire)
9) Daniel de Swarte (DE)
10) Andy taylor (Skaven)

02-06-2009, 11:43
The guy that won as well as drinking tennants like it was going out of fashion was using wraiths with the helm of commandment and the GG bunker. He managed to avoid demon's (I think as none of the demons got a massacre first).

This seems to be always happening. The guy that loads up on wraiths 'luckily' does't face deamons.

I'm starting to think a lot of organizers do it on purpose to not 'cheat' the VC player.

Such things would not happen if I was the organizer...

03-06-2009, 19:17
I hope you are not alledging foul play mal !

03-06-2009, 19:49
In a way I am... it just seems too frequent to be plain luck that the VC guy that goes heavy on wraiths 'luckily' doesn't fight deamons.

Hell around here there will purposely make you face your weakness if you go too strongly in one area (why my magic heavy VC faced a khorne BoC during the magic flux mission).

09-06-2009, 20:37
Here are the complete results-

1 Scott McGregor - Vampire Counts (2 massacres, 1 soilid)
2 Neil McKay - Dark Elves (2 massacres, 1 solid)
3 Tim Gronnenberg - Dark Elves (2 massacres, 1 marginal)
4 Andy Bushell - Daemons (2 massacres, one draw- to dwarfs!)
5 Mark Morrow - Warriors of Chaos (1 massacre, one solid, one marginal)
6 Trevor Moffat - Lizardmen
7 Donald Macallum - Lizardmen
8 Owen Bell - Empire
9 Daniel De Swarte - Dark Elves
10 Andy Taylor - Skaven
11 Dave Mcilninney - Daemons
12 Karl Liewald - Dwarfs
13 Dale Johnson - Orcs and Goblins
14 Andy Duncan - Daemons
15 Gus McCabe - High Elves
16 Jon Pugh - Wood Elves
17 Dave White - Dark Elves
18 Brian Forrester - Dark Elves
19 Alex Easson - Vampire Counts
20 Steve Philp - Skaven
21 Iain B - Orcs and Goblins
22 Tam Whyte - Vampire Counts
23 Dougie Hamilton - Tomb Kings
24 Terry O'Conner - Orcs and Goblins
25 Tom Young - Warriors of Chaos
26 Ryan Savage - Daemons
27 Ryan Taylor - Vampire Counts
28 Chris Murfitt - Skaven
29 Mike Marshall - Vampire Counts
30 John Harper - Bretonnians
31 Dave Taylor - Orcs and Goblins
32 Sean Stahley - Warriors of Chaos
33 Gary Sinclair - Warriors of Chaos
34 Graeme Davidson - Warriors of Chaos
35 Calum Todd - Vampire Counts
36 Iain MacGregor - Empire
37 Jamie Graham- Warriors of Chaos
38 Dave Kane - Skaven
39 Mateusz Lackowski - Dwarfs
40 Michal Orzeg-Wydra - Daemons
41 Richard Cunningham - Orcs and Goblins
42 Al Campbell - Dwarfs (only played 2 games)
43 James Gormley - Warriors of Chaos
44 Darren Allwright - Dwarfs
45 Dave Gilbert - Skaven
46 Kar Meng Lee - High Elves
47 Michael Arnott - Daemons (mr 36 fleshounds)

Breakdown of races
7 Warriors of Chaos
6 Orcs and Goblins
6 Vampire Counts
6 Daemons
5 Dark Elves
5 Skaven
4 Dwarfs
2 Lizardmen
2 Empire
1 High Elf
1 Bretonnian
1 Tomb Kings
1 Wood Elf

No ogres