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Trains_Get_Robbed
15-07-2009, 09:15
I'm going to be buying (estamation) about $200 worth of HE for my first army (I'm getting Teclis and a Battatlion box for $45) with the remaining $155 I was wondering what special units I should focus on?

I've played with HE a bit to discover that in medium sized normal ranks white lions and pheonix guard are (ward save,stubborn woot) both points well spent but so are swordmasters, shadow warriors and everything else from what I read etc.... Is there any real clear cut winner I have to have? Or is this guess and check?

Helps appreciated!:D

Condottiere
15-07-2009, 10:41
Depends on how you want to play your army.

Dragon Princes seem must have, but can be proxied by Silver Helms.

Sword masters bring a lot of damage to the table, but are easy to shoot; Phoenix Guard cause Fear and have a 4+ ward save, but don't kill a lot. White Lions seem somewhere inbetween.

White Lion Chariots are hard but expensive; RBTs are useful but expensive; Giant Eagles are useful and cheap (relatively).

High Elves have specialized troops, and outside of the Star Dragon and Dragon Princes, the rest of your choices depends on your preferences and opponents.

Shimmergloom
15-07-2009, 12:16
Ok, here's some ways to get the most out of the $155 you have left to spend.

I'm gonna assume 20% discount on prices, cause there's really no excuse to not try and save money when you are buying on a budget. Otherwise, money would be no object and this thread would not exist.

you've got a rbt, 8 silver helms, 16 spears, 16 archers.

First only make 10 archers(they don't need command at all). Take that extra 6, use 3 for a spear command. Take 2 more and give them spears to be extra spearmen. Take the last one and do some simple work to put him together to be a mage on foot.

Now take those 16 spears. 3 are command, take some of the swords from the sprues to give to 2 more of the spears. Set those 5 aside. That leaves you 11 spears + the 5 archer spears you made, giving you 16 spears again.

The 5 you set aside are now going to be swordmasters(w/command) to be added to a swordmaster unit. Buy 5-10 regular swordmasters. 10 at 20% off are $40.

Ok, now you have your 8 silver helms. But you need 2 more to get 2 units of 5.

Buy a lion chariot and 2 wood elf warhawks. 20% off this is $52. Use the 2 horses from the chariot and the 2 warhawk riders to be 2 more silver helms. Giving you 2 units of 5.

The 2 hawks are now 2 great eagles.

This leaves you $63. Another rbt, the mounted noble and foot noble set, the mounted mage and foot mage set are $51.20.

That roughly leaves $12 to use toward shipping or toward maybe buying another spear box.

With this you now have as characters:

1. mounted prince/noble.
2. teclis(who can be a regular mage)
3. 2 more mages on foot.
4. mage mounted.
5. noble on foot(or bsb)

Core:

1. 15 spears.
2. 10 archers

Special:

1. 2 unit of 5 silver helms(can be painted to be dragon princes)
2. 15 swordmasters(5 from the spears).
3. lion chariot

Rare:

1. 2 rbts.
2. 2 eagles.

runarm
15-07-2009, 13:23
Use the 2 horses from the chariot and the 2 warhawk riders to be 2 more silver helms.
While the idea isn't bad as such, I fail to see how this would work.
The Warhawk riders (which by the way look nothing like High Elves, never mind armored Silver Helms) are metal and are modeled standing on the warhawks, sort of like they are surfing. So unless you would want to have two very non-HE looking elves standing on top of the chariot horses to count as Silver Helms, then this won't work.
Granted, the warhawks are just big enough to count as great eagles, but they don't actually look like eagles and they have that specific WE look to them - the head piece that GW thought would look good on all the WE mounts. Also they are covered in vines that I guess are what the surfer-elves are supposed to use to keep themselves anchored while the bird is in flight.

R.

Malorian
15-07-2009, 13:28
Great reply Shimmergloom.

Some things might no look just right but you certainly get a good sized army for cheap.

maaksel
15-07-2009, 13:42
Ebay would be your best bet... I got about 1100 worth of tomb kings for 300 - hell of a deal. 23 chariots, 4 bone giants (why? I have no idea why he had 4 bone giants), 100+ skeletons, all charcters, carrion, catapults, you name it it was there.. unpainted!

I've also notice with armies, you can almost never go wrong with 2 batallion boxes, then fill in your rares/specials.

maaksel
15-07-2009, 13:51
Also, stop by your local club... a lot of the time there are people there getting rid of their other armies because they didn't like them, or want to get some cash for a new one.

Keller
15-07-2009, 16:30
Ebay would be your best bet... I got about 1100 worth of tomb kings for 300 - hell of a deal. 23 chariots, 4 bone giants (why? I have no idea why he had 4 bone giants), 100+ skeletons, all charcters, carrion, catapults, you name it it was there.. unpainted!

I've also notice with armies, you can almost never go wrong with 2 batallion boxes, then fill in your rares/specials.


Also, stop by your local club... a lot of the time there are people there getting rid of their other armies because they didn't like them, or want to get some cash for a new one.

The second-hand market is a great way to save money. I've collected much of my collection through Ebay and trades, saving hundreds or thousands over the last decade.

Another great way to save money is to convert your characters, rather than buy them. Some of GW character models are great, but can cost as much as half a unit or more. Just keep all of your spare bits, hit up other players for some spare parts, and convert a regular trooper to a uniquely modeled hero, complete with custom paint job to help him stand out.

Another option, if you don't plan on playing in GW stores or tournements, would be to look for other manufacturers. GW Characters, and certain units, are obserdly priced per model. You can pick up fantastic models from other companies of the same or similar size that work wonders.

WhiteKnight
16-07-2009, 06:46
Okay so you'll have $155 left. You have a bolt thrower, 16 archers and spearmen, and 8 silver helms, and teclis. Like Shimmergloom said, model about 4 archers to make spearmen (it'd look nice to use the ones leaning so you have a sort of Phalanx.) Then use 2 archers to make a noble (use bits from spearmen) and a mage (really easy!) Now you have those 8 silver helms which one could be converted to a character. Then buy whatever Special choice you want.

Dragon princes are fast, hard hitting cavalry. Almost a necessary unit.

Swordmasters are light infantry killing machines.

Phoenix guard are resilient and hold their own in combat.

White Lions can be great knight killers!

Shadow warriors are scouts that have hatred, great for fighting dark elves.

Both chariots are nice, especially the lion chariot.

Reavers are quick and can redirect charges.

Silver Helms are better than some knights like standard empire knights but command is expensive.

With the remaining $155, get any extra Core choice boxes you might need, and then pick up your favorite special choices. If you haven't already, buy the army book. The book wil give you a good understanding of the specialist troops we high elves got.

Trains_Get_Robbed
16-07-2009, 08:06
Thanx for the advice guys/girls it's well aperciated! :) like the way shimmergloom and white knight are thinking! :) kind of dumb of me not to think of eBay though. Also found out @ one of the local gw stores the last Friday of every month is bitz day so I could go there for trades as well! Thanx again for all the help!

PS. prbly go with the white lions as they seemed to step up (when i used my friends gobbos as a subsitute for HE today) and be worth more than their points!

Jedi152
16-07-2009, 08:22
Are you bothered about current models? You can get tons of old 4th edition plastic spearmen and archers on eBay for literally pennies.

Harwammer
16-07-2009, 08:35
Ok, now you have your 8 silver helms. But you need 2 more to get 2 units of 5.


The OP could do this by buying two dragon princes and mixing their bits throughout the silver helm units. If he also adds in extra dragon imagery bits from the noble/battalion box instead of the usual silver helm extras he should be able to create ten passable dragon princes.

Shimmergloom
16-07-2009, 17:08
He could, but he'd have 2 horse just from the lion chariot, so before spending around $20 for 2 knights(after discount), I looked at how he could get something else useful first.

As for the warhawk riders standing up, surfing. I don't see a big problem with that. They can just be champ/leader models for your silver helm units, as they would stand out.

If he doesn't like the look of that, he could always buy leg bitz from ebay(battlewagon bitz still sells leg bitz, you can get like 6-8 legs for around $5 with shipping). And then trade the warhawk riders for other stuff that any local players might have that he might want.

Trains_Get_Robbed
16-07-2009, 20:37
Great news one of my friends just got back from 2 weeks in Cali and said he wud sell me his dragon 4 $10 he acquired a while ago and plays DE so he dosent need or want it! Woot! Thanx 4 all ur help my peeps also think these are good ideas! And I would have no problem with old ed. models seeing that our lizze player in our group has mostly from 3 ed. and 5 ed. (were high school kids no money impossible to find jobs = cheap :)

Kind of off topic, but would a black white and yellow paint scheme be too out of charcter for HE?

Harwammer
16-07-2009, 21:05
I'm glad this thread has helped you!

Also, I'd stay away from yellow, unless you are willing to spend a lot of time on it. Yellow is not a colour that paints very well. In my experience its okay in small areas, but used extensively it gets annoying to handle.

Trains_Get_Robbed
16-07-2009, 22:13
Thanx thought yellow would be orginal. And my peeps had a lot of yellow that's why I asked.