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252nd Fire Dragoon
17-07-2009, 05:32
Aloha,
When I go to Games Day next week i am planning on getting some imperial guard. However, I cant decide between a basilisk or Leman Russ. Any suggestions on what i should buy look and tactic wise?

senorcardgage
17-07-2009, 05:36
I think the Basalisk looks really cool, but is not as good of a choice as the leman russ. With the new LOS rules, it's a lot harder to hide their poor armor from attackers. For 25 points more you lose 1S and the ability to fire indirectly but you get significantly more resilient to enemy fire.

MajorWesJanson
17-07-2009, 05:56
You also lose some 14 feet of range :D

eyeolas
17-07-2009, 06:03
russes are generally better, nowadays AV 14 is prety hard to crack, and for so few points it is easily worth it. The loss of range isn't a big loss as russes will generally be in range anyway, and with true LoS, indirect fire isn't all the usefull

senorcardgage
17-07-2009, 06:07
You also lose some 14 feet of range :D

Oh yeah, I find that 6 feet is never enough! :)

decker_cky
17-07-2009, 06:13
Depends on the terrain you have. If you have some decent LoS blocking terrain so that your basilisks can hold back and get a cover save, they'll be quite effective firing their barrage. They're also a fair bit cheaper.

I certainly would get 2 russes before a basilisk, but for my 3rd heavy support a basilisk is a very nice option. Demolisher/LRBT/Basilisk work together very well.

Lotoc_Sabbath
17-07-2009, 06:14
i think that the new leman russ kit that will be coming out in august is just fabulous, even the hellound is great (in fact I'm to buy both of them twice...), also the basilisk is fantastic but it is easy to tare down once you get to it. For me it is purely based on which model you like more....or just buy both.....

LoneSniperSG
17-07-2009, 06:54
I think few people love heavy support as much as I do, but as a first choice, the Basilisk is only really worth the expense if you know you will always have a fair amount of terrain to play with. If not, go for a Leman Russ. Eventually you will want a Basilisk later to support your assaults and such.

Artillery isn't anything to sniff at, but for the first thing to get.. well.. Ladies like armor plating.

freddieyu
17-07-2009, 07:23
get both! problem solved!

LoneSniperSG
17-07-2009, 07:30
get both! problem solved!

I don't think your average gamer has enough money in one week to do that.. either you have to save up or you make a bunch of money.

Vaktathi
17-07-2009, 07:31
Aloha,
When I go to Games Day next week i am planning on getting some imperial guard. However, I cant decide between a basilisk or Leman Russ. Any suggestions on what i should buy look and tactic wise?

The Bassy can fire out of LoS, and when firing as a barrage will hit side armor on vehicles and hits at a higher strength.

The Leman Russ is infinitely more survivable, has far more firepower, and is *the* big scary tank that most other armies worry about.

Tolwyn
17-07-2009, 08:07
I would go for the Russ. Hard to kill and good weapons

Sircyn
17-07-2009, 08:30
The Basilisk has a minimum range of 36 inches when firing indirectly... on most boards you will find your fragile artillery piece having to brave enemy fire to shoot directly because of that massive minimum range. For the extra few points it takes to bring a Leman Russ you are better off with the Leman Russ thansk to its resilience and multiple weapon hard points. Of course this depends on the fire power niches you are covering and how the vehicles fit into your army as a whole.

Even so I wouldn't take a Basilisk as when compared to the other artillery options all the other pieces are better at specialist roles for fewer or similar points (yes you will be taking armoured crew compartment as standard with the Basilisk). The Imperial guard is in the happy position of being able to take advantage of redundancy to the extent that generalists aren't especially advantageous, especially when they are expensive mediocre ones.

snottlebocket
17-07-2009, 08:41
The leman russ is the first tank any guard player should get. It's got one of the best cannons in the game and armour 14 lets you make a few mistakes where armour 12 means most mistakes will cost you the tank.

Not to mention that the bassilisks minimum range makes it pretty hard to set up indirect shots meaning you'll have to shoot directly with that armour 12 tank. My leman russ lets me pick my targets with ease. (then again I bought a pair of basilisks just to cut the barrel down and do some converting to turn them into a pair of cheaper, more useful Griffon mortar tanks)

marv335
17-07-2009, 08:55
russ. Without question.
It's just better.

victorpofa
20-07-2009, 16:11
Russ is definitely better, and the Griffon is better at artillery. Hopefully a Griffon kit will be released in the near future.

Luckily I bought one of the old hybrid Griffons on Ebay a few years ago so I was ready when they were restored to the codex.

I would also check the sprues for the upcoming Demolisher kit. It may not have the Battlecannon in it.

Grand Master Raziel
20-07-2009, 17:40
One thing for you to think about that hasn't been brought up yet: if you get a Basssie, assuming that you're consistently able to hide it from enemy fire (a fairly big assumption), that means that, while your Bassie might be safe, everything else in your army is taking extra fire, as your opponent focuses on shooting what he can shoot instead of on what he can't. A Russ, on the other hand, draws fire away from the rest of your army, and with AV14 front and AV13 sides is able to soak up quite a bit and keep on slugging. So, my vote for your first IG tank would be the Russ. In fact, I really think that the only proper place for Bassies is in Apocalypse games or strongly themed lists.

40k Boy
20-07-2009, 17:44
Riuss will be a lot more versatile, but the Basislisk has the ability to stay out of the way and hammer the opponent.

I have three times as many Russes as i have Basillisks, and honestly, i use at least two LRBTs per game, and have probably use Basilisks maybe 2 or 3 times. Basilisks are quite specialised, Russes just turn up to crush whatever is going :)

boogle
20-07-2009, 17:45
The Russ, it is more survivrable, has more weapons (if sponsons are taken), and is not hindered by a minimum range

Nexus Trimean
20-07-2009, 18:11
I have 9 Basilisks. I think that tells you my answer.

SPYDER68
20-07-2009, 18:30
The Russ, it is more survivrable, has more weapons (if sponsons are taken), and is not hindered by a minimum range

Bassie doesnt really have much of a Min range... It can still direct fire within the 36"

40k Boy
20-07-2009, 18:50
Basilisks can't direct fire anymore, their range starts at 36" now.

Nexus Trimean
20-07-2009, 18:51
Basilisks can't direct fire anymore, their range starts at 36" now.

They can Direct fire ignoring minimum Range. Its in the BRB, Barrage section.
This is why several other units have the "May not fire directly" in there entry. the basilisk does not have that wording.

decker_cky
20-07-2009, 18:51
They can still direct fire. It's in the vehicle rules that you ignore the minimum range when firing direct.

SPYDER68
20-07-2009, 18:57
Its sad how many people dont know this rule.. The tank is even listed in the new codex as exact same stats as last one..

Treadhead_1st
20-07-2009, 19:56
I think you should take at least 2 Russes before a Basilisk. My Bassie is performing really well, used as a direct-fire "tank hunter" that happens to splat Infantry nearby. It tends to survive even when firing directly because I've got 3 Russes and a Demolisher to help distract the enemy - the Basilisk also gives me some indirect firepower to hit the enemy hiding from the Russes.

But if you are only taking 1/2 vehicles, take Russes as otherwise the Basilisks are too vulnerable to enemy anti-tank firepower.

decker_cky
20-07-2009, 20:44
Treadhead_1st: I agree 100%. Basilisks are pretty good, but you need your bread and butter first. In a decent sized battle, you should have somewhere where you can at least dependably give your basilisk a cover save, and it gives you cheap hard hitting shots.

40k Boy
20-07-2009, 20:54
They can Direct fire ignoring minimum Range. Its in the BRB, Barrage section.
This is why several other units have the "May not fire directly" in there entry. the basilisk does not have that wording.

Really!?!?! I've totally been browbeaten into a big disdvantage by the other guys in my gaming group then :( All but me said it couldn't!

Xenobane
20-07-2009, 21:34
Really!?!?! I've totally been browbeaten into a big disdvantage by the other guys in my gaming group then :( All but me said it couldn't!

And all it took was to consult the rulebook... who would have thought? :rolleyes:

Monospot
20-07-2009, 21:48
For standard missions, russes imho are more versatile. However, if you ever play Apoc, I find bassies to be invaluable for their range.

LordofWar1986
20-07-2009, 21:57
I find getting Russes much better then Bassies. While I do like the way Bassies look, it is just too vulnerable to AT fire.

Even in Apocalypse I would use Russes. There is nothing more entertaining then the look on your opponents face when he stares down the barrels of 10 Russes. I have yet to get to that point though, but I can only imagine :D

Barial
20-07-2009, 22:03
My vote would be for a Russ from seeing the damage they can do in a game,

My mate had 3 Russ' including Pasque (spelling?) in a squadron... an example of the damage he could do is 15 Battlecannon hits on a squad of marines 6" away and 2 penetraing hits on a rhino that was next to the squad... no survivors!
and thats not even the best he's done with the Russ's

40k Boy
20-07-2009, 22:35
And all it took was to consult the rulebook... who would have thought? :rolleyes:

*Doh* If only i'd thought of that....

Yeah, obviously i did read the codex, but in mine it says range: 36"-240". in the fluff description at the side it says it can be fired directly, but the unit entry specifically says the range starts at 36" - you see my understanding of this?

boogle
21-07-2009, 10:08
*Doh* If only i'd thought of that....

Yeah, obviously i did read the codex, but in mine it says range: 36"-240". in the fluff description at the side it says it can be fired directly, but the unit entry specifically says the range starts at 36" - you see my understanding of this?

Snap, that was my understanding as well

Khornies & milk
21-07-2009, 11:01
I will join the crowd and say get a Russ first and foremost. However, if/when you do get a Bassie get an Armageddon Pattern one and model it similar to the one featured on FW's Website....'tis pretty damn sweet