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40k Boy
20-07-2009, 21:05
I am looking to buy some forgeworld tanks for my Guard army, and one i was looking at was the Malcador. I think it looks great, and at 70, i don't think it is too expensive. Does anyone here field one at all, and what do you think of them?

I am beginning to get a bit lost with the tanks i was hoping to get. I was initially going to get the Malcador, and then also a Salamander Command, Destroyer Tank Hunter and Hydra Flak tank, but my recent investigations have led me to believe that the Salamander really isn't going to do much, my Vanquisher is actually better than a Destroyer Tank Hunter and i've been recommended to hold off on the Hydra as it is likely to be one of the next put into plastic.

Does anyone use any of the other FW tanks that they could recommend?

Mannimarco
20-07-2009, 21:11
theyre half decent tanks but seem to be overcosted for what they do, i think ive seen one once, a lot of my regular opponents like them, just not enough to actually take one

starlight
20-07-2009, 21:19
Get them because they're cool and you like them, not because they're *better* than the bog-standard Russ. They can fill roles, but for pure efficiency the standard Russ is one of the best tanks for the points in the IG list. :)

MegaPope
20-07-2009, 21:43
Get them because they're cool and you like them, not because they're *better* than the bog-standard Russ.

Seconded. One of the best things about them is that they're classed as war engines, but costed like heavy tanks. True, they aren't as heavily armoured, but in addition to looking cool, they give you the following:

- They can fire all their weapons when moving, and fire them at different targets

- they use a rather more forgiving damage table when they sustain hits, and have structure points, so they need to be 'destroyed' twice. Plus, a single hit will not stop the tank from moving or firing completely for a turn

- if you're using these, it may well be because you're playing games with points values high enough to sustain them (NOT necessarily Apoc, for which they're ill-suited IMO) - in which case, they don't actually take up HS slots and you can still use standard tanks as well :)

But, above all, they look the business :D . This should be your main motivation ;)

Ozendorph
20-07-2009, 21:57
I use a Malcador "Defender" - the one that looks like a mobile pillbox with Heavy Bolters all around.

I got the tank as a gift and didn't expect much from it really, but the Malcador has performed admirably in every game I've used it. It puts out a ton of fire every turn, and with lascannon side sponsons and the hull mounted demolisher the Malcador has a weapon for seemingly every occasion. I think it's certainly worth its points, that's for sure.

40k Boy
20-07-2009, 22:23
I think the defender looks the coolest for sure, like you say, like o mobile pill-box. I think they look great, like a real war-machine, but i had totally forgotten they used the IA damage table, not the BRB one. Thats definately a bonus!

I really want to get one because they look good, and i reckon it will be fun to build, but i am a tad wary about spending 70 on something which isn't too good on the battlefield (It isnt the only consideration though).

Khornies & milk
21-07-2009, 01:33
I am looking to buy some forgeworld tanks for my Guard army, and one i was looking at was the Malcador. I think it looks great, and at 70, i don't think it is too expensive. Does anyone here field one at all, and what do you think of them?

I am beginning to get a bit lost with the tanks i was hoping to get. I was initially going to get the Malcador, and then also a Salamander Command, Destroyer Tank Hunter and Hydra Flak tank, but my recent investigations have led me to believe that the Salamander really isn't going to do much, my Vanquisher is actually better than a Destroyer Tank Hunter and i've been recommended to hold off on the Hydra as it is likely to be one of the next put into plastic.

Does anyone use any of the other FW tanks that they could recommend?

I'm having the same dilemma as you, inthat I can't make up my mind what to get. My current 'cart' looks like..
...Armageddon Medusa
...2 Hydras
...Vulture
...Stygies VIII Vanquisher

I already have a DTH but I'd say only get one if you already have plenty of other more standard 'all-rounder' type Tanks, as the DTH is very specialised in it's role.

As for the plastic Hydra, I reckon it'll be costed similar to the new Hellhound, which will make it the same(ish) cost as the FW one. I don't know how far away the plastic one is though, but if it's only a few months then maybe wait, but if it's longer....up to you really.

LoneSniperSG
21-07-2009, 01:48
How about the Macharius? I'm itching to get one of these to use as my Regimental command tank, but I have never heard anything about their performance in games.

Epicenter
21-07-2009, 02:12
Macharius tanks are great looking, that's why I'd take them. As far as effectiveness goes, Macharius tanks aren't very good at all - I'd actually rate the Malcador as slightly superior (esp. the Malcador Defender).

I really find the primary benefit for taking big tanks is that they can fire all their weapons when they move and at different targets. Besides the large main guns, Macharius tanks have really weak secondary armament - usually like a pair of heavy bolters and a twin-linked heavy stubber. That's not a storm of fire. That's not even a light rain. More like a drizzle or a slight urban haze of fire. A stock Leman Russ can put out better firepower than that. At least a Malcador has combos of weapons like a battle/demolisher cannon, lascannons, and heavy bolters.

sic
21-07-2009, 04:02
From a non guard player i would happily get the Macharius or the Malcador pattern tanks just because they look awesome! If they have some decent rules thats just a bonus.

Monospot
21-07-2009, 04:34
I enjoy my Malcador Defenders. The combo of 7 heavy bolters and a Demolisher cannon allows for a huge volume of fire. I park mine in with the Basilisks to "defend" them in Apoc games where I am worried about deep striking/flanking troops. 360 firepower AND a str 10 ap2 termy killing template, plus structure points, goes a long way.

40k Boy
21-07-2009, 06:41
I think i'd definately choose the Malcador over the Macharius, like Epicenter says, the Macharius just doesnt seem to have as much firepower as the Malcador, which is why i'd buy the big tank in the first place.

Khornies & Milk: One of the reasons i was thining of 'Branching out' into Forgeworld tanks was that i already have 6 x LRBT (With a couple of FW Turrets), 3 x Lisk and 3 x Hellhound. I think the DTH looks awesome, and reckon it would fit in with my setup well (Though i have a vanquisher). And Hydras are just awesome.

Although after another look last night, i can't decide between a Hydra and a Medusa. They are two very different machines, but both look cool :)

Khornies & milk
21-07-2009, 09:01
I think i'd definately choose the Malcador over the Macharius, like Epicenter says, the Macharius just doesnt seem to have as much firepower as the Malcador, which is why i'd buy the big tank in the first place.

Khornies & Milk: One of the reasons i was thining of 'Branching out' into Forgeworld tanks was that i already have 6 x LRBT (With a couple of FW Turrets), 3 x Lisk and 3 x Hellhound. I think the DTH looks awesome, and reckon it would fit in with my setup well (Though i have a vanquisher). And Hydras are just awesome.

Although after another look last night, i can't decide between a Hydra and a Medusa. They are two very different machines, but both look cool :)

Yea FW is addictive ain't it:D I have 12 Russ varients...all with FW Turrets, and I need 2 more to take my Armoured Battlegroup list to 3K.

As for the medusa/Hydra, I think that 1 Medusa is just fine by itself, but I'm having 2 Hydras in my Battery...both are roughly the same points-wise. I think 2 Medusas might be a bit OTT.

Still, it's all good.

starlight
21-07-2009, 22:10
Silly boy! :p Having FW and OTT in the same sentence... :p

Khornies & milk
21-07-2009, 22:17
Silly boy! :p Having FW and OTT in the same sentence... :p

Yea...Faux Pas much:D

JHZ
21-07-2009, 23:28
Malcador Annihilator might be a nice anti-tank vehicle. Twin-Linked lascannon on turret, lascannon sponsons and a demolisher cannon on the nose. All able to fire on the move. Surely you'll crack something open with it.

As for Forge World models, you don't need to be a class act modeller to make stuff. Take a Russ, extend the tracks a little, add a big gun on the nose, lascannons on the sponsons and a twin-linked lascannon on the turret. Bam, Malcador. And I've seen people turn Land Raiders into Machariuses, since they're about the same size.

I know some people like to flash around their big... credit cards, but I'm a poor boy from a poor little town, born from sin and all that other stuff. We never had much money, so I made my own stuff. And why should I pay someone to make me something, when I can make it myself and have both the satisfaction of having made it and getting people go "Whoa, dude, that's cool!" With FW you're just showing off other people's stuff.

starlight
22-07-2009, 00:15
It's the value of time vs money. Some people would rather game than convert and paint with their limited hobby time. As long as you're happy with your army, that's all that matters.

Taking pokes at people because they choose to buy FW isn't very considerate... :eyebrows:

40k Boy
22-07-2009, 00:49
I'd much rather game than sit converting models myself, especially since i suck at actually constructing anything that isn't an actual kit lol.

I think FW stuff looks pretty awesome, and the bits i have had so far were enjoyable to model. Not that i really need to explain myself to anyone, but i've just sold my entire third army, that i never use, and i'm looking for some way to invest the funds back into my main armies. This way i'm not just buying loads of bog standard plastic kits i have millions of already, and i get to experience something new.

I work hard to earn every bit of money (Thats right, not CREDIT CARD) i spend on my army, so i intend to make the most of it all...

As for the true thread, i am getting to see more and more that really, what the models game like should not be the main concern, if i think something looks cool or fun, i shouldn't pass it over if its stats aren't as good as something else :)

I do love the look of the Malcador 'Defender', even though i'd be able to field it ;ess often than the normal tanks, it will fit right into my army, it looks like a mobile bunker.

JHZ
22-07-2009, 11:21
Taking pokes at people because they choose to buy FW isn't very considerate... :eyebrows:
But at least they can afford it. You never see official events or oppinionated people frown the use of Forge World models, but dear God, bring a Russ with antennas and other little things on its hull which you have made yourself or taken from like another model kit, and your opponent might spit on you and refuse to play (heard it happen).

Besides, you want taking pokes, how about getting your friends make fun of you for choosing to convert a FW tank by yourself rather than spend a "few bucks" on the real thing?

I'm not saying don't use FW stuff or anything, just that I myself can live without them. I do think there's a ton of nifty models in the FW range, but I'm the sort of person who doesn't need a Rolex to tell the time or the latest G3 technology cell phone to call someone or send text messages, and I don't need people looking down on me for the fact.