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genestealer_baldric
03-08-2009, 09:33
Iam just curious is there a list anywhere which depicts how each chapter views each other, a bit like the table in apocalyspe explaining who will fight with who. because most chapters have very discinct personalities and these will at some time clash with others .

I know before its said that almost any marine chapter will work with any other chapter, but i was wondering who would activly like to work with some chapters, trust other almost as much there own Chapter due to past events, or not trust there back to other chapters etc...

For example somthing like this

SW like working with Ultras

SW dont mind working with Salamanders

SW Dont like having to trust DA (even though they are slowly gaining more trust of each other.)

pookie
03-08-2009, 09:36
no there isnt a list that exhists as its really a hard one to know.

grissom2006
03-08-2009, 09:44
DA and SW don't mistrust one another so much they just hold a grudge to one another hence they pit their best warrior from each Chapter against one another. Ultra's work with any chapter as there geneseed counts for most of the Chapters out there (plus their to goodie to shoes for their own good).

genestealer_baldric
03-08-2009, 09:46
ah ok i guess it would be a quite hard to make and there would be a high probality that one didnt exist, i think it may be worth a go for at least the orginal chapters/ most famous not all the 1000 chapters around.

Chaos Undecided
03-08-2009, 13:04
It would mostly be a case of reading through sources like Index Astartes and other background sources to look for mention of relations with other chapters.

I think its been mentioned there is some bad blood from the Iron Hands towards the Raven Guard and the Salamanders because of the events on Istvaan something about them not supporting the Iron Hands enough leading to the death of their Primarch.

The Dark Angels prefer to operate alone as we all know but other than their ritualised fued with the Space Wolves I dont think they have any hostility towards other chapters, theres at least one occassion where they have attacked erstwhile allies over custody of suspect fallen prisoner but I would assume there's no knowledge of their actions outside the chapter.

Although people will fight alongside the Blood Angels I believe they're held in a certain amount of suspicion about their practises and stability.

I'd kind of expect some degree of animosity between the Space Wolves and the Ultramarines based around their refusal to follow the rules laid out by the Ultra's Primarch as well.

genestealer_baldric
03-08-2009, 13:33
Ah wasnt aware of the raven guard/salmander/ironhands dispute though, yeah thats the plan do a bit of codex surfing to find out the details

thats what it should be, but there dose seem to be a strange link between the Sw and Ultras and they tend to get on very well in diffrent parts of fluff but huh its fluff its not meant to make sense.

Urath
03-08-2009, 17:45
According to the current Astartes codex, the Raven Guard and White Scars have maintained a deep rivalry for some time.

We all know about the Dark Angels and Space Wolves.

If you believe the rumours, the Dark Angels destroyed a Black Templar Strike Cruiser/Battle Barge.

NashTrickster
03-08-2009, 18:20
Well, according to warriors of Ultramar, the Ultra can have issues with fighting alongside some of their own successors, namely the Mortifactors, who they see as being too divergent from the "Holy Codex"... Thus they would probably have the same kind of issues with most of the divergent chapters, more so when they are not of Guilliman's geneseed.

Some chapters would have issues due to "ancient feuds", like the SW and the DA, or the UM and the IF (because of Dorn's initial refusal to follow Guilliman's "advice" on splitting the legions) or some of the others which were mentionned by the previous posters... While some others would work alongside each other without too many problems, like the "Unforgiven" chapters who all share the secret of the Fallen and, as suggested by the latest DA codex, are used to team up when necessary or, as some would put it, still form a kind of legion if only in spirit...

Making a comprehensive list would be quite demanding, but giving quick "rules of thumb" seems easy enough: chapters from the same geneseed would work together quite well, unless one (or both) have diverged from their parent's doctrines/beliefs in which case there may be some tensions. chapters from different geneseed would have most likely issues due to their different belief systems, combat doctrines, etc... But would nevertheless team up against any foe of the Imperium if they feel it's necessary.

w00tm0ng3r
03-08-2009, 19:55
Black Templars view the Blood Ravens with a good deal of suspicion because they have lots of librarians.

I'd imagine the Ultras and the Space Wolves probably don't get along all too well since the Wolves are pretty open about their "the Codex sucks, blows, and gets laid in the closet like a vacuum cleaner" attitude.

Imperialis_Dominatus
04-08-2009, 03:27
My answer? Speculate. Read the background on both Chapters (particularly times they've come into contact if possible, or about their ideologies, which will be the second most common medium of conflict IMO). If GW hasn't written anything about it, feel free to fill in the gaps with whatever makes sense.

genestealer_baldric
04-08-2009, 08:17
Yeah i have a feeling this will take a while to make then looks like ive got my self a project to do.

just as a start all ive got from DA is chapter not trusting them so job

1. is find some chapter who likes them

Condottiere
04-08-2009, 08:34
Borrow an RPG rule book and do an NPC reaction roll.

Badger[Fr]
04-08-2009, 09:13
IIRC, the old 40k background mentions inter-chapter wars between the Dark Angels and the Space Wolves.

pookie
04-08-2009, 11:16
;3828047']IIRC, the old 40k background mentions inter-chapter wars between the Dark Angels and the Space Wolves.

they had 11 and the SW won the most ( its in the Space Marine rulebook iirc)

AndrewGPaul
04-08-2009, 13:16
Other sources of rivalry would be between the Salamanders and Marines Malevolent on Armageddon, between Chapters on opposite sides of the Badab War and any chapters who got between a Fallen and the Dark Angels.

Logan Grimnar holds a grudge against a Administraum for exterminating survivors of the 1st Armagerddon war - it's possible that would extend to the Inquisition and thus the Grey Knights. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on that, though - there are still Space Wolves in the Deathwatch.

Ishamaelus
04-08-2009, 15:13
I would also list any SM chapters that answered the Ultra's call for aid in the Zeist Campaign as being on adequately friendly terms with the Ultras.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Zeist_Campaign - Might be helpful?

For mankind
04-08-2009, 15:35
It depends on the situation, when a black crusade is coming their way most of the chapters will fight together, when it is quiet, they would start an inter chapter war, because one scout insulted the scout of another chapter.

DuskRaider
04-08-2009, 15:39
I'm pretty sure the Chapters that had taken Huron's side during the Badab War (Lamenters, Mantis Warriors, Executioners) would be viewed with distrust still, even though they've repented. Flesh Tearers are another Chapter that's viewed with contempt, and I think the Exorcists are as well thanks to their tradition of allowing a daemon to possess them (which is just awesome).

genestealer_baldric
04-08-2009, 15:45
I would also list any SM chapters that answered the Ultra's call for aid in the Zeist Campaign as being on adequately friendly terms with the Ultras.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Zeist_Campaign - Might be helpful?

ah nice thanks

ive got a feeling aim going to be on lexicam for a while.

yeah i mean genral consensus between chapters iam not looking for a cause for them to fight so iam asuming there is a strange peace in the universe of 40k.

i will genrate a template soon and hopfully with the odd bit of help fill it in.

Giganthrax
05-08-2009, 00:36
Salamanders don't like Marines Malevolent. Because MM performed some atrocities during the war of Armagedon, I think, and the Salamanders were uber pissed off about it.

Ultramarine captain Uriel Ventris dislikes Mortifactors for straying so far away from the Codex Astartes and not respecting it enough, and has even punched their Chaplain in the face once because the Mortifactors approved of Exterminatus on a still-populated world.

Patriarchs of Ulixis dislike Blood Angels, calling them madmen and refusing to fight alongside them in one battle. Uriel Ventris seems to have a similar opinion of Blood Angels.

Iron Hands generally dislike all first founding legions who weren't there during the Istvaan massacre, thinking they were, well, sissies.

All Imperial Fists and their successors hate Soul Drinkers, for defiling the geneseed of Rogal Dorn.

That's all I can remember at the moment.

Sumo Duck
06-08-2009, 06:28
SW and DA are fully ready to shoot each other, they just wont do it unless they think the other's a traitor likein Wolf Guard where the SW think the DA are working with heretics and they have a massive battle in the city and in space.

Urath
06-08-2009, 14:14
No, they are not. The Space Wolves, or any other chapter for that matter, would open fire on another Astartes force that they percieved to be traitor or corrupted.

The Space Wolves and Dark Angels share a deep sense of rivalry, this is true. But it has long since past the point of open hostility.

Besides, in that very same book, Ragnar reconciles with the Dark Angels.

superdupermatt
21-08-2009, 08:34
in terms of relationships, I've heard that Asmodai and Ulrik are dating in a 40k remake of the classic Romeo and Juilet story.

"Asmodai, oh Asmodai, where art thou my Asmodai?"

guillimansknight
21-08-2009, 14:54
The SMurfs have pissed off a lot of chapters for banging on about the codex and even going to war over it when they clearly don't obey it.

w00tm0ng3r
21-08-2009, 19:37
The SMurfs have pissed off a lot of chapters for banging on about the codex and even going to war over it when they clearly don't obey it.

Exactly... One moment Uriel Ventris gets stripped of captaincy and exiled from the chapter for saving the day against a tyranid fleet using non-codex measures; the next day Cassius forms tyrannic war veterans... :wtf:

guillimansknight
21-08-2009, 20:42
Exactly... One moment Uriel Ventris gets stripped of captaincy and exiled from the chapter for saving the day against a tyranid fleet using non-codex measures; the next day Cassius forms tyrannic war veterans... :wtf:

And they have a HUGE empire ( honestly I would say about 4 times larger than the Tau empire). When the codex says SM should be fleet based and at most have a single fortress on their homeworld And those stupid axe of ultramar guys
and they have huge militas+PDFs made up of ordinary humans

and that's not all BTW!


And they almost started a second civil war because DORN didn't want to split his legion into 3 parts!!

jb85
21-08-2009, 21:13
Avoiding the negative relationships for a second, the Blood Angels and Salamanders seem to get on very well. Tu'Shan received praise from Dante infront of the entire BA Chapter for his conduct during the Second War for Armageddon and the Salamanders reciprocated with a Firedrake escort to Baal for Tycho's body after the third war.

Askari
21-08-2009, 21:19
I believe it's either the Blood Angels, or Imperial Fists, (or both) who see the Blood Ravens with disdain, as they name some of their artifacts in recognition of important characters in other Chapters, having granted no permission to do so.