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Eternus
04-08-2009, 08:31
Ok, being as it's not a specialist game, and it's not GW Company discussion, I decided to post this here - also because I'm cheeky and wanted to find a more active platform for it!

Who misses Man O' War? Well, I do, and as I'm half way through watching the Pirates of the Carribean trilogy, I'm only one cutlass rattle away from breaking out all the old Man O' War stuff I have stashed away.

Anyone else remember this old gem and wonder why it disappeared?

Condottiere
04-08-2009, 08:55
I liked it, but not enough people bought it.

Eternus
04-08-2009, 09:04
What do you think do the idea of a revival, like they did with Battlefleet Gothic?

Condottiere
04-08-2009, 09:08
Sure, but the rules need some major revision as well.

Eternus
04-08-2009, 09:25
I didn't think the rules needed that much alteration - what did you have in mind?

Bingo the Fun Monkey
04-08-2009, 09:25
I think Uncharted Seas pretty much sealed that avenue for GW.

NakedBarbarian
04-08-2009, 09:26
I know bugger all about Man o War, never played it, never saw the models....but the concept seems intriguing...

Condottiere
04-08-2009, 09:27
I recall it took longer for a game of MOW to end than it did for one of Fantasy.

Eternus
04-08-2009, 09:30
I recall it took longer for a game of MOW to end than it did for one of Fantasy.

I never found that to be honest, even multiplayer games. As for Uncharted Seas, it does look cool, but it's not Warhamer Fantasy is it.

NakedBarbarian
04-08-2009, 09:41
Is MoW a half decent game tho? Or is it something that you'd by out of fancy, play a couple of games, then get bored and move on within the month?

IMO GW should do a limited re-release of all the great beer and pretzels games like Mordheim, gorkamorka, heroquest, necromunda etc. I know i'd buy up big...

Leogun_91
04-08-2009, 10:21
My gaming group has recently baought an old version of Man O War so that we can play good campaigns over the sea as well.....it seems really pretty good but I havent gotten a proper look yet.

Lord Malorne
04-08-2009, 10:28
Want fantasy ship battles? Take a look at this:

http://www.spartangames.co.uk/uncharted.htm

It is not warhammer fantasy, which is a good thing, I have the book and and some ships the models are great and the book is really easy to get into.

larabic
04-08-2009, 10:30
Unfortunately i came into gaming just after it went out of print and became hard to lay your hands on, i def think o would have liked playing it, i love those kind of games.

Condottiere
04-08-2009, 10:31
It was cheaper than investing in Fantasy, basically fifteen ships gave you a fleet, Dwarves could do with even less.

Nephilim of Sin
04-08-2009, 10:37
I actually had an old roommate give me his old boxset. I am pretty sure that everything is in there (obviously it is only the two fleets), but it seems interesting enough to warrant trying out.

The main problem I had with it, coming in late, was the horrible design of some of the ships, which became a lil' too cartoony. Still, the thought of Gyrocopter regiments is enough to pique my interest, and I do think it should be something GW should try again.

Condottiere
04-08-2009, 10:41
Magic certainly has to be revised, some of the spells were definitely OTT.

Actually, now that I think about it, it may be the perfect place to introduce South and Far Eastern Warhammer units.

Eternus
04-08-2009, 11:02
Magic certainly has to be revised, some of the spells were definitely OTT.

Actually, now that I think about it, it may be the perfect place to introduce South and Far Eastern Warhammer units.

Cracking idea!

Hrafn
04-08-2009, 11:43
Miss the concept? Yes!

Miss the game it self? NO!

The core concept of naval combat is very good, and the core rules as presented in the boxed set was allright (bar the magic rules as already mentioned). But the later expansions were simply flat out badly designed. They were unbalanced ruleswise, and for some reason they designers decided that a naval game should have a majority of "fleets" which essentially ignored the maritime elements of the game. A trend which is also visible in the later minis, which apart from being far too cartoonish for my taste, also excelled in the art of trying not to look like ships :eyebrows:

If anyone wanted to ressurrect a Warhammer naval, I'd suggest converting the BFG rules. That ruleset is excellent, and it leans so much towards naval combat that it should be quite easy to convert to maritime conditions.

Eternus
04-08-2009, 11:50
If anyone wanted to ressurrect a Warhammer naval, I'd suggest converting the BFG rules. That ruleset is excellent, and it leans so much towards naval combat that it should be quite easy to convert to maritime conditions.

That's another cracking idea. I might just have a go at that - would there be much interest if I did?

Brimstone
04-08-2009, 11:50
Having played MoW until the start of last year I've now switched to Uncharted Seas and I'm quite happy staying there.

The ruleset & ship models are far superior.

Dai-Mongar
04-08-2009, 13:47
I bought up a few fleets and the all rules earlier in the year. I really like it, the book-keeping doesn't bother me and I quite like the more fantastical elements of the game (magic, sea monsters etc). Granted, the 5 player game I tried out became a shambles quite quickly, but still a boat load of fun.

BigRob
04-08-2009, 13:50
Man'O'War was a good idea let down by powercreep, stupid units and lack of models. In general fleets had 3 ships and if they were lucky, a flying unit. This meant that some fleets like orcs and skaven ended up being next to useless with bad rules and models, while Empire and the Dwarves had a larger range of more powerful models and some, like the Chaos Fleets, were filled with an array of very powerful, complicated rules and ships. Brettonia and the High elves had some lovely models which were very difficult to get hold of (in fact I believe the Buchaneer was the first "dropped mould" story).

Anything larger than a 1000pt engagement soon becomes a paperwork battle of ship cards, tokens and other paper pieces that the slightest breeeze will scatter across the table.

The game still has a following on the web, the yahoo group is one of the biggest you will find for playing and occasionally someone on here will bring it up. I did last year actually, trying some new house rules to bring races like Orcs and Skaven upto scratch. Someone PM'd me last week about it so it got me digging though my old bits again. You can even see the pieces on eBay for a reasonable price and somewhere, deep in the mists of warseer (about 3-4 years ago) someone had a thread regarding their selling of a collection with big pictures of every fleet including rares like the ironfists and a completly custom built undead fleet.

As for the Spartan Games effort, I have yet to play it but given the chance I would. The rules look very streamlined, very nice models and good backstory. Plus I have heard alot of positive feedback across the internet about it.

Steam_Giant
04-08-2009, 15:36
I discovered this Forum (http://doomharbour.freehostia.com/SMFForum/index.php) for peeps trying to revive naval combat, its pretty focused on Man o'war but their is a movement to adopt Uncharted Seas too.

Hope you find it interesting

SG

AndrewGPaul
05-08-2009, 07:30
If you want something a bit more complex than Uncharted Seas, may I recommend looking at Trafalgar, from Warhammer Historical? It would take a bit more work to indtroduce the fantasy races, but it would probably be wortrh the effort.

The main problem with Man O' War, in my view, was all those record cards. One per ship, and they were huge - you needed another table just to put them on; even worse than Battletech!

Pyro Stick
16-08-2009, 19:34
I discovered this Forum (http://doomharbour.freehostia.com/SMFForum/index.php) for peeps trying to revive naval combat, its pretty focused on Man o'war but their is a movement to adopt Uncharted Seas too.

Hope you find it interesting

SG

That link was for the forum mid conversion. Ive finished the transfer over to MyBB so heres the new link:

http://doomharbour.freehostia.com/Forum/index.php

Please join if you are interested in man o war

Shane
09-11-2009, 04:35
A pal and I were just discussing Man O' War earlier today, actually. If anyone ends up doing the conversion to BFG rules, and comes up with reasonable stats for the different fantasy fleets, I'd love to see them.