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fox-hound
10-08-2009, 17:59
Would it be okay and game legal, if I converted a bane blade for my marines?

If someone has done this before can you please post a picture of it, thanks.

shaso_iceborn
10-08-2009, 18:06
Would it be okay and game legal, if I converted a bane blade for my marines?

If someone has done this before can you please post a picture of it, thanks.

only for pre-heresy marines and then it was called a fell blade other than that just apoc it as a PDF that painted thier tanks in SM colors to honor the chapter they are fighting with.

Steel Legion for Life
10-08-2009, 18:08
It's an apocalypse unit, so pretty much anything goes. "Game legal" in apocalypse is a bit of a wobbly concept.The Ork and Chaos Super-heavies on the baneblade hull set a pretty clear precedent that if you convert and paint a baneblade to your army, that's cool.

In regular 40k, it's not legal, but then neither is a regular Baneblade, or any other super heavy.

There's rules and background for the marines using a baneblade variant called a fell-blade during the Heresy - sensible rules appear for it in the BoLS .pdf Lords of Battle, and a nice picture of one.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2008/09/play-aid-lords-of-battle-v20.html

starlight
10-08-2009, 18:13
Since regular marines in Power Armour are unlikely to be fitting inside, the solution I proposed on a previous version of this Thread was to send in the Scouts. :) It also accounts for the BS3. :)

Marine Scouts find and repair/reclaim/rearm/whatever a Baneblade so they can put the boots to the enemy...after which they take it back to the Armoury and repaint it...hey, it's Apocalypse, anything goes. :)

Bunnahabhain
10-08-2009, 18:14
It has often been done. As they are nomally Apocalypse only units, then you can have a baneblade serving with loyalist imperial forces , without too much of a problem.

It normally looks fairly poor- ie a banblade painted UM blue, and has no reason to be in that army.

By all the background, Baneblades do not get used by the marines. They are Guard tanks.

If you can come up with a good reason for it to be there, and a decent conversion, then go ahead. The easiest is as follows through.

The Baneblade belongs to the Guard, from the same home world as the chapter, and has served with them before, and so won some hounour markings from the chapter, and may have a broadly similar colour scheme. Accompany it with a platoon of guardsmen, and you have a reasonably good reason to have a 'marine' baneblade.

But just saying it's crewed by marines is about as fitting as Chaos grey knights...

EDIT. OK not Chaos Grey knights. Chaos Tau. Not actually impossible, just very unlikely.

starlight
10-08-2009, 18:25
I disagree. Chaos Grey Knights are (by the background) impossible. Baneblades in a Marine Armoury are simply *unlikely*. They used to be there and the vast, overwhelming majority are now in the IG, but somewhere in the Imperium, it is *possible* that there exist one or two still in the hands of Marines...unlikely as it may be...

Would *I* do it? Nope. Would I refuse to play against it? Nope.

Ironically Chaos Marine Baneblades are far more likely... :p

George Dorn
10-08-2009, 18:29
Somebody was fielding a Baneblade in the early Apocalypse days at Leicester GW and, painted up in a dark blue/ UM blue dithered camouflage pattern, it looked very well.

One block coulour would probably stink, tho'

Signal
10-08-2009, 18:37
Would it be okay and game legal, if I converted a bane blade for my marines?

If someone has done this before can you please post a picture of it, thanks.

Sure, go ahead. But if you want your Baneblade to be more true to the fluff, you don't need to convert it at all. Just paint it as a regular Guard tank - IG tank camo patterns are more realistic and prettier than flat Marine colors IMO. Anyhow, having a Baneblade accompany your Marines around is as simple as saying that your Chapter requested Baneblade support and the Guard delivered, crew and all. :chrome: Wouldn't be the first time Marines and Guardsmen worked closely together.

Mannimarco
10-08-2009, 18:39
or for added funsies take a stormlord and stick chronus in it: bs 5 and if it sits still it can fire 30 s6 ap3 shots

Vaktathi
10-08-2009, 18:43
Ironically Chaos Marine Baneblades are far more likely... :p

GW has actually made one (an Iron Warriors BB) for the Apocalypse white dwarf (forgot what # that was).


That said, for loyalist Marines, in fluff background, it's an Imperial Guard tank, Space Marines would not have one (SM's generally don't directly command IG troops either, so they can't just take one if they fancy it). It's too slow, it can't be transported by Thunderhawk the way Land Raiders can, and Thunderhawk Gunships have pretty much the same armament and perform the same role, making a Baneblade quite redundant. The fluff on the Fellblade is pretty much entirely taken from a CCG where it was shown as a Legion tank (when they still commanded Imperial Army troops and such troops wore Legion insignia) with a decidedly non-Space Marine looking tank commander, and pretty much all the rest of the fluff on the Fellblade was written by the Bell of Lost Souls guys for a fan-dex.


That said, if you want to take one and keep it fluffy, just get like a couple squads of guardsmen to go along with the BB, paint it in IG colors with may be an honor badge or something from fighting alongside the SM chapter for the duration of a campaign, and call it good.

Killgore
10-08-2009, 19:04
Wahey, we enter the realms of Imperial Guard Thunderhawks and Land Raiders!



imho a Baneblade painted in Marine colours shows a total lack of imagination, how hard is it to design a Super Heavy company camo paint scheme and say the tank is attatched to the particular operation the marines are playing in.

Lord Damocles
10-08-2009, 20:19
Wheeeee!

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199444&highlight=evasive
http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198501&highlight=stormlord+marine
http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195559&highlight=stormlord+marine
http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191690&highlight=stormlord+marine
http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188271&highlight=stormlord+marine

BigBadBull
10-08-2009, 21:04
BoLS in one of the Mini dexes has the rues for the Fell blade....

Just run the Baneblade as IG/Planatairy Milita to keep every one ok.. Besides you still should ok it with your opponent.

Also this subject has been beaten to dead like a dead horse.
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fox-hound
10-08-2009, 22:29
Thanks for all the opinions! And yes, I have some good back ground ideas.
You see, I have a combined-chapter, Iron Snakes and Shadow Saints(my own chapter). Basically IG and Iron Snakes(entire chapter) go on long campaign against Chaos/Necrons(haven't decided yet).
With in one week all the IG have been wiped out along with 3/4 of the Iron Snakes, So the Snakes fight up mountain to a communications station to send out a distress signal. They defend station for 3 days, and on day four when there's only a few tactical squads,3 or 4 tanks,a Captain,a Chaplin,a few assault squads, everything look hopeless, Just when they were about to give up they hear the roar of thunder hawk engines. It's the Shadow Saints that were on on a nearby moon, they received the signal! So, yeah. I got it figured that the Snakes salvaged every thing they could before they united forces with the Shadow Saints.:)

Marshal Sinclair
10-08-2009, 23:45
The fell blade was an Imperial Army unit though, not Marine. In the only picture of it in existance it is clearly a Guardsman commanding it.

Mannimarco
11-08-2009, 00:27
in the horus heresy collected visions book im pretty sure theres a pic of a death guard fell blade (or maybe its called a mordant heavy tank, still looks like a fell blade though)

Grimtuff
11-08-2009, 00:33
imho a Baneblade painted in Marine colours shows a total lack of imagination, how hard is it to design a Super Heavy company camo paint scheme and say the tank is attatched to the particular operation the marines are playing in.

Yet mine gets nothing but praise for the conversion work of "Space Marine-ing" it up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/Grimtuff/Project%20Log/100_0767.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/Grimtuff/Project%20Log/100_0769.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/Grimtuff/Project%20Log/100_0768.jpg

Then again it is Space Wolves. We can do what we want frankly. ;)

starlight
11-08-2009, 00:47
Space Wolves - Looting the Imperium for 10,000 years. :p

Marshal Sinclair
11-08-2009, 00:59
in the horus heresy collected visions book im pretty sure theres a pic of a death guard fell blade (or maybe its called a mordant heavy tank, still looks like a fell blade though)

Look at the picture. Commanded by a Guardsman.

KazenX
11-08-2009, 02:12
I say go for it! Nothing wrong with using one in Apocalypse (provided you take your opponents army into account, no one likes getting rolled/out spent), and for normal 40k it's a great excuse to pick up a guard contingent and one of Forge World's excellent Imperial Armour books. Again I should caveat this by saying both multiple force org charts (agreed upon prior to the game just like points) and Forge World models are "legal" you should take your opponent into account before going for it. A Bane Blade can be a daunting opponent and more than a little off putting if it's sprung on some one.

Our group has been playing for years and we see Bane Blades, a Revenant, Hierophant, and sundry lesser FW units on the board and in standard 40k they are balanced. We do also tell each other when we plan to field one however, and that seems to be the difference.

Shadey
11-08-2009, 03:15
Sure, go ahead. But if you want your Baneblade to be more true to the fluff, you don't need to convert it at all. Just paint it as a regular Guard tank - IG tank camo patterns are more realistic and prettier than flat Marine colors IMO. Anyhow, having a Baneblade accompany your Marines around is as simple as saying that your Chapter requested Baneblade support and the Guard delivered, crew and all. :chrome: Wouldn't be the first time Marines and Guardsmen worked closely together.

I would agree, further, if you wish to imply extended detatched service the baneblade might have been given permission to use your chapters symbol in ADDITION to its own.

example: For ultramarines you could paint on the Ultramarine logo (upside down omega symbol), spray it on thin with scratches and the coat underneath showing through so it looks like a field job. You could if you wish add a blue background to it but most of the tank should remain in its camo state.

DuskRaider
11-08-2009, 03:21
I could see Imperial Fists using them, possibly Iron Hands. Really, as was said before, it would be more likely the Imperial Guard PDF or army coordinating an attack with Space Marines will use the color scheme or insignias of the Marine Chapter or whatnot.

Or... it could be a Fellblade. I HIGHLY doubt that the Imperium said, "Okay, Heresy's over, let's decommission all of those Fellblades now." No... I'm quite sure there's still examples out there, either sitting in a warehouse along with Jetbikes, Land Raider Spartans, and other cool stuff from the past. Or the Chapters use them, but we just haven't heard an exmaple yet.

trolly
11-08-2009, 03:29
hi,

i said go go go, especially for apoc games
if remembering the fluff of loyalist marine, like spacewolves that have thrall or ultramarines that have their own pdf in every world in their little empire, they likely to have back-ups of baneblade sometimes, just paint their insignia, coz until now no picture whatsoever regarding spacewolves thrall or ultramarines pdf insignia.
for the csm one,
i think the only one that will use it is Iron warriors, because their specialty in breaching wall. and baneblade firepower is fit for that role. the baneblade is likely drive by their red coat thrall.

cheers,
:D

Binky
11-08-2009, 08:35
Wahey, we enter the realms of Imperial Guard Thunderhawks and Land Raiders!

IG Land Raiders did previously exist (mind you, so did the Eldar Harlequin looted Land Raider!), when it was first released it was a general imperial tank and the painting guides for it showed some IG colour schemes.

Bunnahabhain
11-08-2009, 13:17
Yet mine gets nothing but praise for the conversion work of "Space Marine-ing" it up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/Grimtuff/Project%20Log/100_0767.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/Grimtuff/Project%20Log/100_0769.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/Grimtuff/Project%20Log/100_0768.jpg

Then again it is Space Wolves. We can do what we want frankly. ;)

Especially when somebody puts a fair amount of effort into clearly making it something other than a stock Baneblade kit, and doing it in marine colours.

The Wolves can do anything argument is also very true....

Killgore
11-08-2009, 14:14
Yet mine gets nothing but praise for the conversion work of "Space Marine-ing" it up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/Grimtuff/Project%20Log/100_0767.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/Grimtuff/Project%20Log/100_0769.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/Grimtuff/Project%20Log/100_0768.jpg

Then again it is Space Wolves. We can do what we want frankly. ;)


I guess nothing can get in the way of Games Workshop's favorate customers.

Well done for putting some effort into it.