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BrotherMoses
11-08-2009, 20:49
How would you do it? Which codex would you use. Which Inquisitor model would you go with? Has anyone got a project already started on this they can link some pictures to?

Culven
11-08-2009, 20:54
I have a Deathwatch army into which I Ally units from the Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters codecies. This was started under the Deathwatch and 3rd edition Space Marine rules where it was horribly underpowered. With the new Space Marine codex, my plan is to use my Deathwatch squads as Sternguard with the rest of the army being Red Hunters and Allied ~Hunter units.

Ozendorph
11-08-2009, 21:05
I'd use the Sternguard profile for the Deathwatch (as Culven suggested). They've got a nice stat line and of course the different ammo types, as the DW did.

You could include a "Deathwatch Captain" (aka Pedro Kantor) to make your Sternguard buff and count as scoring units iirc.

For the Inquisitor I'd use Solomon Lok. I love that model.

Jackmojo
11-08-2009, 21:14
I'd use the Space Marine codex along the following lines:

Inquisitor > Pedro
Psyker Inquisitor > librarian
Deathwatch > Sternguard
Stormtroopers > Sniper scouts

The rest to taste.

Jack

Culven
11-08-2009, 21:22
I'd use the Space Marine codex along the following lines:
Inquisitor > Pedro
Psyker Inquisitor > librarian
Deathwatch > Sternguard
Stormtroopers > Sniper scouts
The rest to taste.
Jack
The only issue I have with this suggestion are the "Inquisitors" and the "Storm Troopers". Space Marine stats do not match those of the human Inquisitors and Storm Troopers. In addition, there are actual Inquisitors and Storm Troopers that can be included.

I think that Kantor is appropriate as a Deathwatch Captain, and a Librarian can easily represent a Deathwatch Librarian.

For a fluffy army, I am looking to use Kantor as the Deathwatch Commander, another HQ for the Red Hunters contingent commander, and Allied Inquisitor, Storm Troopers, and Assassin for fun.

AfroCelt
11-08-2009, 21:42
I run my Deathwatch as a separate entity from the whole "ordo xenos" idea, much like Daemonhunters are run as a separate arm from ordo malleus.

Since Deathwatch is WAY more codex (tours of duty from other really codex chapters) you can simply run a codex marine list and just convert for fluff and fun. I only use Deathwatch Shoulders on my sergeants and other vets, for instance. Absolutely no one will have trouble with your army (its 100 percent codex) and the newer codices in general are very versatile.

Drop-Trooper
12-08-2009, 00:58
I've been trying to do this for a while, but I'm stuck, SM captain, librarian and stern guard are all great Death Watch, allied Inquisitors, Storm Troopers and assassins are all fine, but it's the SM troop choices I'm having difficulty with, how to include them? normal Tac squads don't work as death watch, i'm pretty certain the death watch don't use SM scouts, and the Inq storm troopers can't be used as the compulsery troops choice.

How do warseer's finest do it?

starlight
12-08-2009, 01:12
Pedro and three Sternguard plus Librarian for sure. :)

Much as I dislike min Troop Squads, two or three small *fire support* Tacticals that hang back and *observe* the Deathwatch prior to being made full members might work...

Venerable or Ironclad Dreadnoughts as possibilities...Land Raiders (Crusader or Redeemer for anti-xenos cleansing) for each of your Sternguard units...

Drop-Trooper
12-08-2009, 03:53
I always saw assault cannon armed razorbacks as ideal transports, don't know why, just seems to fit the death watch theme...

Fo'Shizzle
12-08-2009, 05:38
I've been trying to do this for a while, but I'm stuck, SM captain, librarian and stern guard are all great Death Watch, allied Inquisitors, Storm Troopers and assassins are all fine, but it's the SM troop choices I'm having difficulty with, how to include them? normal Tac squads don't work as death watch, i'm pretty certain the death watch don't use SM scouts, and the Inq storm troopers can't be used as the compulsery troops choice.

How do warseer's finest do it?


When I first saw this thread I immediately thought Pedro + sternguard + land raiders. As troops I would take 2 tac squads of maybe 6-7 men. These would be the last remaining forces of astartes which happened to call in the Deathwatch support.

jeffersonian000
12-08-2009, 06:32
The best model these days to build an Ordo Xenos army off of is Codex Space Marines. Use Sternguad as "Kill Teams" and Scouts as IST. Librarians and Captains are the best OX HQ choice, and you can still take special characters to suit your fancy. If you really, really have to have an Inquisitor or Assassins, simple allied them in from the 'Hunter 'Dexes.

I commonly run a combined Ordos task force use all three 'Dexes:

HQ - SM Librarian, Cananess
Elite - GKT squad, Sternguard, Dreadnought
Troops - 2x SM Scouts, 2x PAGK, 2x Battle Sisters
Fast - Assault Marines, Seraphim, Land Speeders
Heavy - Land Raiders (Crusaders and Redeemers)

I play a mix of these units at 200pts and it plays well.

SJ

starlight
12-08-2009, 06:39
Wow, swap the LRC for a regular LR and I can field that with what's in arms reach... :)

pringles978
12-08-2009, 15:31
Wow, swap the LRC for a regular LR and I can field that with what's in arms reach... :)

show off....:p

Cry of the Wind
12-08-2009, 16:37
I use the IG codex as a base with lots of Veterans and Stormtroopers to represent INQ forces. Add in allied Inquisitor and PAGK as 'count as' Deathwatch and you're good to go. The Deathwatch don't really operatre on army level scale so having only one squad of them is fine.

In case you haven't checked out the background section on the Deathwatch the largest known concentration was 60 in one battle and they were all split up along a huge battlefront attacking multiple alien cities. Not to mention that those xenos were ones almost never encountered by the Imperium and considered an extreme threat (they are capable of restructuring a dying solar system into an enviroment fit for human life...haven't even seen the Eldar do that in short notice). Compare that to the Third Battle for Armageddon where only 2 teams were present, orks being run of the mill xenos.

starlight
12-08-2009, 17:03
However, in that light, Grey Knights are seldom fielded as an army (Armageddon 2 being an extreme example) and Space Marines should be one of the rarest armies fielded, IG and Orks being the most common...

The tabletop will never represent the background...

Culven
12-08-2009, 17:23
. . .but it's the SM troop choices I'm having difficulty with, how to include them? normal Tac squads don't work as death watch, i'm pretty certain the death watch don't use SM scouts, and the Inq storm troopers can't be used as the compulsery troops choice.
I just use Tactical Squads from my "Allied" Space Marines. Fluffwise, the Inquisitor has requisitioned them, ruleswise, they are just selected from the parent codex.

The Deathwatch don't really operate on army level scale. . .
This could be said of the Grey Knights as well. However, if the threat was great enough, there could be multiple Kill Teams assigned to a single battlefront or area. This is the justification I used when fielding my Deathwatch army.

Cry of the Wind
12-08-2009, 17:30
It just seems to me that there would be less reason for many Deathwatch compared to many Grey Knights. There is a standing army of them where as the Deathwatch are more of an adhoc unit.

Daemonic invasions require an army of specialists but the Deathwatch seem to be more like comandos with very specifc mission goals. All the stories I've read about them have only a few marines going after high value targets like alien leaders or artifacts of great power.

Of course you can do whatever you like with your own stuff I am just pointing out that you don't need to go to great lengths to justify your army when a single squad will make a good Deathwatch theme. Also the OP wanted an Ordo Xenos army, that doens't mean it will have lots of Deathwatch or even any. Not every mission taken on by an Inquisitor will require Space Marines.

Culven
12-08-2009, 17:38
It just seems to me that there would be less reason for many Deathwatch compared to many Grey Knights. There is a standing army of them where as the Deathwatch are more of an adhoc unit.Daemonic invasions require an army of specialists but the Deathwatch seem to be more like comandos with very specifc mission goals. All the stories I've read about them have only a few marines going after high value targets like alien leaders or artifacts of great power.
I completely agree. I was just presenting my own rationalization for my army.

Also the OP wanted an Ordo Xenos army, that doens't mean it will have lots of Deathwatch or even any. Not every mission taken on by an Inquisitor will require Space Marines.
True, but I feel that an Ordo army without at least one unit of its Branch Militant is just missing something.

Black Antelope
12-08-2009, 19:47
Use C:DH or C:WH with allied C:SM

Culven
12-08-2009, 19:50
If only they could include Sternguard. . . :(

starlight
12-08-2009, 19:57
They can...

0-1 Elites when using and Ordos list as the Parent (subject to the no Sisters/GKs rules), or the regular C:SM rules when using that as the Parent and Allying the Ordos in... :)

kazkal
12-08-2009, 19:59
How would you do it? Which codex would you use. Which Inquisitor model would you go with? Has anyone got a project already started on this they can link some pictures to?



Someday I wanna make Space Skaven :O

Culven
12-08-2009, 22:29
They can...
0-1 Elites when using and Ordos list as the Parent (subject to the no Sisters/GKs rules), or the regular C:SM rules when using that as the Parent and Allying the Ordos in... :)
You've lost me. Where are the rules for including Sternguard in an Ordo army? :confused:

starlight
12-08-2009, 22:40
I see what you're getting at... :p Oops...

C: WH Pg 25, C: DH Pg 21 - *By the Authority of the Immortal Emperor of Mankind.* The Marine list has to be the parent (allowing up to three Sternguard Squads), with the Ordos providing the support. The Ordos books are from before Sternguard so they can't have Sternguard Allies. :(

The list jeffersonian000 provided in Post 11 still works because the Parent list is Marine. :)

Culven
12-08-2009, 23:07
I see what you're getting at... :p Oops...
:( I was hoping that you knew of a new rule that allowed Sternguard to be taken as Allied Space Marines. No such luck, eh?

starlight
12-08-2009, 23:26
Sadly nothing yet... :( Unfortunately the units are specifically spelled out, rather than by 0-X FOC slots as when Allying Ordos to Marine/IG lists... :(

Although *technically* ;) since it doesn't specify, you should be able to take any of the new Sentinel, Predator, Dreadnought, Land Speeder, Land Raider and Leman Russ variants...as well as the new fancier Infantry Platoon. :D

Culven
12-08-2009, 23:30
Although *technically* ;) since it doesn't specify, you should be able to take any of the new Sentinel, Predator, Dreadnought, Land Speeder, Land Raider and Leman Russ variants...as well as the new fancier Infantry Platoon. :D
This was addressed in the 'Ard Boyz FAQ. I might see if this would be ok within my group as well.

pringles978
15-08-2009, 16:01
ive been playing around with the ordo xenos for a while, ive been using the daemonhunters dex and have just replaced pagk with sternguard in the list. ive got a gkgm as a deathwatch librarian, a squad of sternguard, ists in chimeras and ive converted a robot maniple i use as gktermies. i only play casually and nobody has a problem so far. rules wise, i just discount the rights of exorcism and daemonic infestation rules, and say the rest of the special rules represent the libbys psycic powers and the robots natural psychic immunity and em disruption fields.