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Pertinax
09-01-2006, 22:46
I found a Balrog figure in my room the other day (don't ask....). So I started to work on it again. Preciously, I'd only cleaned the figure. The time had come to put the bugger together, and break out the GS.

So I put it all together, and it struck me that one of the things that I object to on the figure is the really thin mane of fire. JRRT refers to it as a huge burning mane.


*Bzzz!* Doesn't compute.

Any way, with my (still advancing), GS skills, I decided to put more flames into the mane.

Here is what the balrog's left side looks like. So far, it's all that has been done.

Comments? Critique? Praise? (hopeful)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/pertinax/LOTR%20Wip/IMG_1078.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/pertinax/LOTR%20Wip/IMG_1080.jpg

athamas
09-01-2006, 22:51
looking good pert.. well done...

tzeentchgiant
09-01-2006, 23:47
Looks great, very well done, you so called "fledgling" GSing skills are superb, but I feel, from these angles it's hard to see the volume you've added, could you please take a shot from the front and rear to show the width.

Thanks

TG

Pertinax
10-01-2006, 07:23
Lightbinder: I use the following tools. http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/pages/htt01.htm
TzG: Here's a more front on angle that (hopefully) shows more of the front angle.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/pertinax/LOTR%20Wip/IMG_1082.jpg

Tyra_Nid
10-01-2006, 08:04
The flames themselves are excellent. Look just like the miniature. EXCEPT- you havent really extended _that_ much. How about having the flames at the top fan out a bit with some sparks and the like? At the moment it just looks like his back is a giant flaming mohawk :)

Pertinax
10-01-2006, 09:38
What I'll be doing is to extend the flames out towards the shoulders with some more now that the first, shall we call it layer?, is cured. Now I can build over it and get more height difference into the next layer. I will also be building some more flames at different lengths too, further out form the original mane.

Tyra_Nid
10-01-2006, 11:05
That will make it much closer to your description, Perkynads.

Jericho
10-01-2006, 12:02
I think that looks sweet, the original looked way too much like a mohawk, and not enough like a fiery demon god type thingy. You know what I mean :D

tzeentchgiant
10-01-2006, 12:12
Ah yes, very good, the thickness is excellent.

I'm lookign forwards to the next installment.

TG

Animerik
10-01-2006, 12:25
I agree, always thought that the orignial balrog looked like a strange punk demon with a mohawk... yours good sir looks brilliant! give us a full pic next time showing the whole thing. anyway good work amazing gs skills keep it up!

Pertinax
11-01-2006, 21:37
I did some work on the right side today, along with beefing up the left side a bit. Here are the results of today's GS work.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/pertinax/LOTR%20Wip/IMG_1084.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/pertinax/LOTR%20Wip/IMG_1083.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/pertinax/LOTR%20Wip/IMG_1085.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/pertinax/LOTR%20Wip/IMG_1086.jpg

Thousandth Son
11-01-2006, 21:47
Excellent. I wish I had even that much skill with the green stuff. :p

Pertinax
11-01-2006, 21:51
It's a learning process. And I'm still learning ;)

Disposable Hero
11-01-2006, 21:52
Most excellent, dude!

hilltroll
11-01-2006, 22:26
Very nice, I always thought the flaming mane looked too thin. I like how you have extended the flames up the arms. :)

tzeentchgiant
12-01-2006, 00:01
Excellent, particularly the additions outside of the main body of fire, nice touch there.

Be very proud.

TG

Pertinax
12-01-2006, 07:18
Just wait 'til I start painting it! ;)

EDIT: It's now undercoated. In one colour, it looks great! There is not a strange green fur coming ou tof its back!

immortal99
15-01-2006, 15:44
It so nice to see some LoTR stuff for a change! The flames are amazing, the
seperate flames from the main body of the mane which going along the wings is a nice addition. This is going to be the uber-balrog once painted.

The boyz
15-01-2006, 17:47
Thsoe flames look brilliant Pertinax, great greenstuffing. Makes the minature look alot bigger and meaner then before.

Pertinax
15-01-2006, 19:02
It's ready to paint!

What I've done is to spray the whole thing black. Then, I've made myself a "mask" for the wings and body, sprayed the mane white. That should make things simpler...

Anyway, it's decision time! Help me out!

Colour scheme 1: Paint the balrog in the conventional "cold" flames, from yellow to red. As on the box.
Colour scheme 2: As scheme 2, but reversed, so that the yellow (which is hottest), is inside the balrog.
Colour scheme 3: This is so crazy, it might just work! Paint the balrog as a burning magnesium flame. That means white to blue.

#3 offers the most original, where as 1 and 2 offer the most challenge.

Rich 123
15-01-2006, 19:29
3 deffinantly Petinax!

Youve made the balrog actually look like a good mini! I never really liked its weedy outline of the original sculpt.

And it would be great if that could then be carried ontot he painting - reinventing that mini in a better/different light.
Especially if you even add at the very tips of some of the flames little tips of orange to really touch it off ;)

Rich

immortal99
15-01-2006, 19:39
I agree with everything rich has said, go with 3!

C'tan
15-01-2006, 19:43
Paint it in style number 3.

The boyz
15-01-2006, 20:22
I would go with option three Pertinax. It sounds well cool. And should look great aswell, if it turns out ok.

Pertinax
15-01-2006, 21:56
Like this? (The sparky bits)
http://www.monkeyview.net/id/545/ranchfire3/IMG_1837.jpg

hilltroll
16-01-2006, 00:19
I agree, number three. Should look great. :)

billr
16-01-2006, 01:58
I like the flames up the wings. Careful not to overdo it though.

Adept
16-01-2006, 02:06
I disagree with number three. The Balrog was specifically described as being a creature of traditional red flame, the white/blue flame takes a bit of liberty with Tolkiens work, IMO.

Maybe not so much a concern with most people, but it's something I bear in mind when doing my own conversions and paintjobs, and you did ask for our thoughts...

Nkari
16-01-2006, 03:31
2 FTW! And I hope it looks good when its painted.. tho Im a bit worried that there will be small "blotches"(word?) of fire on the outer edges.. I would try to greenstuff them togeather with the other "blotches" a bit more.. so you dont have 0 0 0 0 fires but rather 0:0:0:0 fires.. if you get my drift.. (boy its late and I should not try to make sense in english atm.

tzeentchgiant
16-01-2006, 18:42
Three sounds very cool, but maybe a little bit odd, it may work out looking more like a creature of ice, rather than the written beast of fire.

Ah well, up to you really.

TG

Pertinax
16-01-2006, 19:16
I've been thinking a bit about it too, and the icey feel is something that may be too evident if I do white/blue.

So I think I'll probably end up with a usual yellow=>red, with white in the absolute inner recesseses.

beefpizza
16-01-2006, 19:27
I still think blue fire would look incredibly awesome. If i was you, i'd paint some test models to get it right, but if done correctly, you could have a really individual balrog.
I founf a cool picture that you could use. It has some warm colors in it as well, and I think your balrog could do with a little bit of warm to complement the cool blues and whites.

Pertinax
16-01-2006, 19:38
Excellent pic. Thanks.

*goes back to teh thinking corner...*

EDIT: Hang on! What is that burning? Q-tips? DUDE!

Makaber
17-01-2006, 00:55
Yeah, white to yellow to red would be sweet, but it would also be good with some blue mixed up in there. Don't overdo it, just to add a slight contrast and spice things up a little.

Velkyn Kyil
17-01-2006, 05:28
Pert, I'll give you some skulls tonight. You can do the "flaming skulls" and try it out with a magnesium burn before you do the Balrog. That way, the test models won't go to waste.. ;)

AmKhaibitu
17-01-2006, 07:25
You just want some flaming skulls... though who wouldn't :D

Pertinax
17-01-2006, 08:32
Actually, the skulls will be for VK's Vampire Counts project, and will be used as bat swarms...

Makaber
17-01-2006, 14:01
My idea! :D

Velkyn Kyil
17-01-2006, 16:30
Indeed. ;)

billr
18-01-2006, 03:07
My idea! :D

Yes, so now you get 100% of the profits and are liable for 100% of the losses. ;)

Steak for all!

Pertinax
18-01-2006, 07:14
And you can BBQ it on the balrog's flames!

(Which I started on last night, btw. I started with some pale yellow over the flames, and in the cracks of the skin. Next step is to go iver it and pick out the central parts with white, and add a blue tint to the lower edges of the flames.)

Pertinax
19-01-2006, 23:25
I have given up on thlue tint. It was not working.

So I've moved more towards the White=>yellow=>orange flame. The question is how far up towards red do I go? Any input?

Pertinax
20-01-2006, 08:59
Here are a few photos of progress so far.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/pertinax/LOTR%20Wip/IMG_1126.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/pertinax/LOTR%20Wip/IMG_1129.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/pertinax/LOTR%20Wip/IMG_1127.jpg

Astromarine
20-01-2006, 11:03
HUGE, but quite good :D I really like the effect

Sybaronde
20-01-2006, 11:57
Really great work, Pert. I know, since I've seen it up close and all. :D

tzeentchgiant
20-01-2006, 16:09
WOW those are big pics, but anyways, it looks great, the flame effect is very good (although I feel the white should be more in the recesses with more yellow orange and red to match it), and IMPO, I think that flames should be done the "wrong" way, but hell, with results ths cool my mind may change.

TG

Pertinax
20-01-2006, 22:18
I've been working on the one side today. I've tidied up the black around the cracks in the skin, and touched up the body/flame interface. I've also tried going a bit darker with the orange.

But I forgot my camera at work, so you will have to wait until tomorrow to see the results. :(

FearFrost
20-01-2006, 23:25
Looking pretty sweet so far, good idea and good execution.

I would perhaps go a bit darker, contrast-wise, in the flames.

-Brian

Zactar
26-01-2006, 19:44
Starting to look good....
Looking forward as always to your finished works