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knightime98
21-08-2009, 21:23
Just wondering if the Book of Hoeth (100pts) is nullified by the ring of Hotek (25pts). Has this been FAQ'd? Seems very unbefitting that the 100pt item is just janked by the 25pt item...

Secondingly, the Shield of Saphery (1st spell in the lore of High Elf magic) - states that the a single friendly unit gains a 5+ Ward Save until the start of it's next turn. However, it does not state that it is a Remain in Play spell. In the opponents magic phase (i.e. not the HE magic phase) can this spell be dispelled by using powerdice? Please site your source... Many thanks as this stuff is beyond sometimes confusing.

Arkanthaes
21-08-2009, 21:25
I can't answer the first question, I don't have either book.

However, unless a spell states it's a RiP spell, it isn't. Same as with magic missiles: if it's declared, it is, if not, then not. Just because it had a lasting effect doesn't mean it's a RiP spell.

stripsteak
21-08-2009, 21:30
miscasts take precedence over IF pg108.

Drachen_Jager
21-08-2009, 21:30
I don't have the books memorized but if I remember correctly Hoeth is IF on any pair (except 1s) and Hotek is miscast on pairs. Refer to the magic section of the BRB miscast takes precedence (ie if you roll 4 dice and get 2 6es and 2 1s it is a miscast).

There is a FAQ answer about the Comet of Cassandora that covers your second situation. If the spell is not a RiP spell it cannot be dispelled in subsequent turns.

narrativium
21-08-2009, 22:31
Hoeth's a bit more specific than that, and yes, Hotek applies even to spells cast through Hoeth - so long as the ring is in range of the target.

Condottiere
21-08-2009, 22:51
1. RoH screws over BoH, if in range.

2. Only one HE spell is RiP (Flames of the Phoenix). the rest aren't and therefore can't be dispelled during your opponent's turn.

theunwantedbeing
22-08-2009, 00:49
2. Only one HE spell is RiP (Flames of the Phoenix). the rest aren't and therefore can't be dispelled during your opponent's turn.

Unless of course he miscasts and rolls an 8-9 to end the phase.
That ring of hotek works both ways, sometimes miscasts can be helpful!

Condottiere
22-08-2009, 05:20
I don't like those odds.

Flogger
27-09-2009, 15:53
The fact that ring of hotek takes precedence is just retarded, book of hoeth should be an exception, ring of hotek should also not work against IF.
But one never seizes to be amazed by the overpower that is Dark Elves magic items..

However, this hasn't been FAQed and I would like to see them change it.

theunwantedbeing
27-09-2009, 16:09
What overpowered items would these be then?

I'll help you out with the first one.
Pendant of Khaeleth.

Cambion Daystar
27-09-2009, 17:01
What overpowered items would these be then?

I'll help you out with the first one.
Pendant of Khaeleth.

Ring of Hotek, ASF Banner

Condottiere
27-09-2009, 17:06
I don't know if some items are overpowered, but I definitely know some that are undercosted.

theunwantedbeing
27-09-2009, 17:10
A HE player thinks the ASF banner is overpowered.
What delicious irony.

Cambion Daystar
27-09-2009, 17:17
It is vastly undercosted. It would still be good if it was triple the point cost.