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blitz589
11-01-2006, 17:31
Well How many Do you use?

The reason why i ask is because I started with 6, 2 Acs, but then i got 1 for free so i Bought to more, for another AC, the i got a 10$ Gw Gift card, and bought 1, then 2 more. So now i have 12 termies with 4 ACs, its about 600pts. So does any one have any ideas, on how to use a squad that is so expensive.

Alpharius
11-01-2006, 18:01
Best advice?

DON'T use a squad that big and expensive...

6 w/ 2 AC, if you're going to use any at all, sounds OK. 8 at the most, maybe (but not really, or often).

Now, 6 Slaanesh Termis w/ 2 Blastmasters and 4 Sonic Blasters?

Yes please!

Not trying to be too smart here, just honest!

EVIL INC
11-01-2006, 18:13
My advice would be to trade off about 2 of the autocannon arms for spare ones with combi flamer/melta guns. That way, you can still field a 6 man squad with 2 ac if you want to and still be able to mix and match your armaments on the other guys from your extra models. Or you might wanna trade one in on a heavy flamer for those orky occasions.

warwizard_99
11-01-2006, 18:20
Well, overall, I have about 30 termies...

6 for Slaanesh
7 for DG + Typhus
5 for Khorne
5 for Tzeench
7 Undivided

blitz589
11-01-2006, 18:21
600pts is expensive for less then 3k, but started playing huge games, so its not to bad.

Yodhrin
11-01-2006, 18:33
What do you guys think about Combi-weapons? Im considering using Chaos Termies to represent Praetorians in an AdMech force, and having them with combi-meltas or plasmas would be fairly fluffy, but it looks expensive, and Im not sure if they're worth it.

grizzly ruin
11-01-2006, 18:39
The reason why i ask is because I started with 6, 2 Acs, but then i got 1 for free so i Bought to more, for another AC, the i got a 10$ Gw Gift card, and bought 1, then 2 more. So now i have 12 termies with 4 ACs, its about 600pts. So does any one have any ideas, on how to use a squad that is so expensive.

Too expensive IMO. Even in large points games; Chaos Terminators just aren't worth taking in that large a number.

If you really, really want to take them all then do it in two units of 6 and take the full compliment of heavy weapons. But after that, keep any upgrades to a minimum. They don't need lightning claws and powerfists galore. You could maybe set one unit with Furious charge, and the Other with Tank Hunters.

The rest of your troops, HQ, etc, should be fairly inexpensive so you can bulk out the force as much as possible and not feel the point sink too badly.


My advice would be to trade off about 2 of the autocannon arms for spare ones with combi flamer/melta guns. That way, you can still field a 6 man squad with 2 ac if you want to and still be able to mix and match your armaments on the other guys from your extra models. Or you might wanna trade one in on a heavy flamer for those orky occasions.

Good advice. This would allow you to field whatever armaments you need for the squad whenever you want. With enough manipulation, you could probably come up with 3 different configs for the squad at the same (or nearly the same) points cost.

blitz589
11-01-2006, 18:43
If you really, really want to take them all then do it in two units of 6 and take the full compliment of heavy weapons. But after that, keep any upgrades to a minimum. They don't need lightning claws and powerfists galore. You could maybe set one unit with Furious charge, and the Other with Tank Hunters.

I don't think 2 seperate squads is possible, but my codex is at my friends.

grizzly ruin
11-01-2006, 18:53
I don't think 2 seperate squads is possible, but my codex is at my friends.

It sure is, You can make a single squad of 6 as an Elites choice, and a separate squad of 6 as a Retinue for a Lord or Lt. If you were feeling particularly zesty, you could actually take a third squad as a second retinue if you had 2HQs for a total of 3 squads.

So it would look something like this...


Lt. MoCU Terminator Armor, Darkblade
w/ 6 Chosen Terminators (Retinue)

6 Chosen Terminators

Regardless, they will only occupy 1 Elites Slot.

blitz589
11-01-2006, 19:01
It sure is, You can make a single squad of 6 as an Elites choice, and a separate squad of 6 as a Retinue for a Lord or Lt. If you were feeling particularly zesty, you could actually take a third squad as a second retinue if you had 2HQs for a total of 3 squads.

So it would look something like this...


Lt. MoCU Terminator Armor, Darkblade
w/ 6 Chosen Terminators (Retinue)

6 Chosen Terminators

Regardless, they will only occupy 1 Elites Slot.

Oh, and i give my Lt Fcharge Anyway, so that will work.

EVIL INC
11-01-2006, 19:53
What do you guys think about Combi-weapons? Im considering using Chaos Termies to represent Praetorians in an AdMech force, and having them with combi-meltas or plasmas would be fairly fluffy, but it looks expensive, and Im not sure if they're worth it.
It depends on the situation. Combi weapons can be rather nice. If you are fighting someone with lots of armor, combi meltas can be devastating when you teleport next to thier tanks with them. one or two in the unit should do you. Likewise, if your fighting lots of swarmers, flamers can be nasty. Reguler marine types, either the plasma or melta will do some damage, with the ar2, double tappin a plasma gun isnt so much of a risk. Just give them to everyone in the unit I would say, one or 2 should do you fine.

AgentZero
11-01-2006, 21:38
Well How many Do you use?

The reason why i ask is because I started with 6, 2 Acs, but then i got 1 for free so i Bought to more, for another AC, the i got a 10$ Gw Gift card, and bought 1, then 2 more. So now i have 12 termies with 4 ACs, its about 600pts. So does any one have any ideas, on how to use a squad that is so expensive.

OMG!
Chaos Terminators are some of the coolest figures ever.
You should just go and make an entire army out of them.

I think they're awesome models.
I don't play Chaos, I never have and probably never will, but I have 10 Chaos Termies. I especially like the ones with the tusks. The ones I have are all from 1999. I don't know if there have been resculpts or whatever.
My faves are the one with the Reaper Autocannon and the Bolter-Melta with the attached chainsaw.


I think you should find a way to use as many of them termies as you want and i hope you have a good time doing it.:skull:

Cosmic_Girl
11-01-2006, 22:23
Hello,

Its not worth it in my experience, Chaos troops are like everyone else's elites, they don't need elites of their own, which are too pricey and still die relatively easily. If you really want to use them, then it depends largely on the context of the rest of the army. More info please?

C-girl.

BlackJuju
11-01-2006, 22:28
Well I have a question. Does a chainfist with a combimelta is worth in a squad of 6 ? 5 MoCU Terminators 1 MoCU Terminator with combimelta and a chainfist. To make it more simple, does a chainfist and combimelta combo worth its points ?

Cosmic_Girl
11-01-2006, 22:45
No, if you can get within 6" for the meltagun to exert its special effect, just charge with the chainfist. Remember AC's BS is only 4, you'll miss 1/3 of the time, so its just not worth the pts, combi-flamers are okay though.

C-girl.

AgentZero
11-01-2006, 23:20
Well I have a question. Does a chainfist with a combimelta is worth in a squad of 6 ? 5 MoCU Terminators 1 MoCU Terminator with combimelta and a chainfist. To make it more simple, does a chainfist and combimelta combo worth its points ?

I don't care about such issues. I do what I want and what I think is fun.
I'm not into accounting, if I was I'd do fantasy football.

blitz589
12-01-2006, 00:17
OMG!
Chaos Terminators are some of the coolest figures ever.
You should just go and make an entire army out of them.
Im getting 6 more for only like 20 bucks, so i could do an army with alot of termies.

Corporal Punishment
12-01-2006, 00:21
When I use them I give them all combi meltas, lightning claws and no heavy weapons. Teleport them in 6" from your enemy's big armor unit and melt that sucker. If you can take down a land raider you just made a lot of your points back in one strike. You can also use them to take down those pesky Tau battlesuits. I like the lightning claw against powered armor enemies because it gives the re-roll on the roll to wound. That rocks.

Don't get me wrong, I don't do this every game, its definitely a gimmick play but I've had real good luck with it.

blitz589
12-01-2006, 00:22
I like the lightning claw against powered armor enemies because it gives the re-roll on the roll to wound. That rocks.

Don't get me wrong, I don't do this every game, its definitely a gimmick play but I've had real good luck with it.
If i had L claws i might do this, but F charge helps, wounding on 3s isnt bad.

Corporal Punishment
12-01-2006, 00:26
If i had L claws i might do this, but F charge helps, wounding on 3s isnt bad.

True, this requires a custom built setup. I don't think it is possible to get a combi-melta arm and a lightning claw arm in the random blisters. Not 100% sure about that, just what I heard.

blitz589
12-01-2006, 00:35
True, this requires a custom built setup. I don't think it is possible to get a combi-melta arm and a lightning claw arm in the random blisters. Not 100% sure about that, just what I heard.
I have yet to see a L claw in Blisters, youd have to bitz order it, But theres always combi meltas in there, i uasully cut the melta gun barrel off.

Corporal Punishment
12-01-2006, 00:57
I have yet to see a L claw in Blisters, youd have to bitz order it, But theres always combi meltas in there, i uasully cut the melta gun barrel off.

That must be what it is. I bought a huge black legion army off of e-bay a while back and the guy had made like 30 of these termies. It was a huge army, probably 15,000 points or more, no telling how much the guy spent.

blitz589
12-01-2006, 01:12
That must be what it is. I bought a huge black legion army off of e-bay a while back and the guy had made like 30 of these termies. It was a huge army, probably 15,000 points or more, no telling how much the guy spent.

15k How much did that cost? The termies alone would of been 300$ for him.

BlackJuju
12-01-2006, 01:25
When I use them I give them all combi meltas, lightning claws and no heavy weapons. Teleport them in 6" from your enemy's big armor unit and melt that sucker. If you can take down a land raider you just made a lot of your points back in one strike. You can also use them to take down those pesky Tau battlesuits. I like the lightning claw against powered armor enemies because it gives the re-roll on the roll to wound. That rocks.

Don't get me wrong, I don't do this every game, its definitely a gimmick play but I've had real good luck with it.

Well I dont get that, why Lightning Claws and not Chainfist ? In my opinion Chainfsit are far better for armour trashing. Also the combimelta works better with a Chainfist than with a Lightning Claw.

Corporal Punishment
12-01-2006, 01:25
15k How much did that cost? The termies alone would of been 300$ for him.

Yea, it was expensive to build the army. I paid $1600 for it. it would have cost $3500 or so retail. None of it was painted either. Silly me. It had 3 land raiders with FW Black legion doors, 6 Rhinos with FW doors, 70 or so marines, 15 to 20 of each demon type, one of each greater demon, FW drop pod, two defilers, tons of raptors, etc etc really it was a ridiculous buy on my part but I've been selling a piece here and there for about nine months now. You can see a picture of some of it in my picture thread in the link in my sig.

blitz589
12-01-2006, 01:30
Yea, it was expensive to build the army. I paid $1600 for it. it would have cost $3500 or so retail. None of it was painted either. Silly me. It had 3 land raiders with FW Black legion doors, 6 Rhinos with FW doors, 70 or so marines, 15 to 20 of each demon type, one of each greater demon, FW drop pod, two defilers, tons of raptors, etc etc really it was a ridiculous buy on my part but I've been selling a piece here and there for about nine months now. You can see a picture of some of it in my picture thread in the link in my sig.
Well you got a deal on it, but 1600 dollars, is alot to dish out for 40k stuff.

Corporal Punishment
12-01-2006, 01:36
Well you got a deal on it, but 1600 dollars, is alot to dish out for 40k stuff.

True, a big initial investment but since it wasn't painted I can sell off parts of it and come out fine in the end. Which is what I have been doing for a while. For example, it had four black legion forgeworld dreadnoughts. No one needs that! So I sold one or two of them and that was $90 of my money back. Still got two of them. Just in case I want to get crazy and field two of them. LOL

scarvet
12-01-2006, 01:45
Arr.....after reading the codex, you can form as many squard as you want for chosen, as long as they do not excess their total number: eg, 10 for 1k, 20 for 1-2k, 30 for 2-3k, and 40 for 3k+

devolutionary
12-01-2006, 02:17
For Word Bearers, I use 5 and escort my Apostle with them, utilising them as nothing more than a Deep Striking Daemonette bomb.

Thousand Sons, 9 Rubric Termies (inc Sorc with Wind, Gift, or Bolt) is devastating and nigh on impossible to wipe out. Great unit.

grizzly ruin
12-01-2006, 02:19
Arr.....after reading the codex, you can form as many squard as you want for chosen, as long as they do not excess their total number: eg, 10 for 1k, 20 for 1-2k, 30 for 2-3k, and 40 for 3k+

Not exactly, you can form a total of three squads.

2 As retinues, and one as a standard Elites choice.

From the Chaos Codex, pg 24.

"From 4 to 19 Chosen can be used to form retinues for the Chaos Lord and/or his Lieutenant. Additionally, a single unit of between 5 and 20 Chosen can be fielded as a normal Elites choice. Obviously these unit sizes are constrained by the maximum number of Chosen allowed for the size of army."

Dead
12-01-2006, 02:24
if you're going to use such a large squad of terminators use counter attack on them. it'll make even a powerful assault unit think twice

AgentZero
12-01-2006, 02:33
Im getting 6 more for only like 20 bucks, so i could do an army with alot of termies.

That's a good deal!!
Keep addin' more:p

devolutionary
12-01-2006, 02:43
I just realised... for 2000 points you could have 27 Terminators, a Terminator Lieutenant, and 27 Flamers in a Thousand Sons army, including some upgrades.

How interesting.

AgentZero
12-01-2006, 03:08
I just realised... for 2000 points you could have 27 Terminators, a Terminator Lieutenant, and 27 Flamers in a Thousand Sons army, including some upgrades.

How interesting.

I think that's cool:p

devolutionary
12-01-2006, 03:18
I just worked it out;

Lord of Change
9 Terminators (inc Sorceror, Daemon Chains)
9 Terminators (inc Sorceror, Wind of Chaos, D Strength)
9 Terminators (inc Sorceror, Bolt of Change, D Res)
3 x 9 Flamers

2000 points


So tempting, just for the fun of it...

Icarus
12-01-2006, 04:17
*drool* That would be great fun to play. Start on the board with nothing, then drop a bunch of insanely hard units plus their daemon friends...

sephiroth87
12-01-2006, 04:38
But you'd have to kill a terminator to get the Lord of Change out. Expensive...but fun. :D

Bloodknight
12-01-2006, 04:39
I tend to use 7 Termies with 2 power fists and two RAC in my DeathGuard. They get the tankhunter (as we all know, DG lack AT) veteran skill and a twinLC champion who is also a psyker with doombolt and warp talisman (the reroll, as I fried his brain once in a game and I donīt want a really pricey champion killing himself). Quite expensive, about 400 points, burt I like them, although Chaos Terminators are craptacular for their pointscost compared to imperial ones.
I did a little counting today under the shower and was surprised just how bad they are in comparison.
Lets assume armies start 24" apart, the enemy advances normally (6" per round, assault after Turn 3), no termie dies up to that point:
6 basic Chaos termies with all power fists and two RAC =>286 points
6 Imperial terminators with 2 assault cannons: 280 points.

Number of shots fired:
Chaos termies: Turn one: 4 Boltgun shots, 4 AC shots
Turn two: 4 Boltgun shots, 4 AC shots
Turn 3 : 8 Boltgun shots, 4 AC shots
Due to the combibolters and RAC being twinlinked you should get 13 hits with bolters and 10 hits with RAC.

Imperial terminators fire in the same time:
24 boltgun shots and 24 Assault cannon shots:
Thatīs about 16 bolter hits and 16 assault cannon hits, of which 3 should be rending. All for 6 points cheaper and only 5 men required to have both heavy weapons....

EVIL INC
12-01-2006, 15:41
If you use chaos and have an opportunity to get chaos termies for cheap, you should always get them. Sure, you might have plenty of spares, but with sooo many possible combinations, it is good to have a model to represent each one in your army that looks the part. Then again, if you are a player who uses multiple chaos army types (plague marines or thousand sons for example) you can have the combinations you want to use correctly modeled and correctly painted. Course, with the things people do with magnets nowadays, you could possibly get away with less of them.
Generally, I rarely use them and then only small units. Just not really my style.

mostholycerebus
12-01-2006, 17:34
I throw 4 rubric termies, lead by a pimped sorcerer with Chainfist and CCW, into a Land Raider. They do alright, considering. TS is the only army I would do this with, since their termies are excellent and they lack anti-tank. I also have a lightning claw termie I use as either a Lord or a Chosen of Ahriman. When these guys sit on an objective, they ain't moving. I'd like to expand to a unit of 9, but that's alot of points.