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Ordo Hydra
28-08-2009, 17:56
I have been thinking recently about the Adeptus Mechanicus and hoping somewhat that one day they become an official tabletop faction with miniatures and all. But anyway, I was reading the novel Mechanicum and remembered that there is a tech assassin in it from a group called the Sisters of Cydonia with one of their members aiding the Dark Mechanicum. So I was wondering, do you think the Adeptus Mechanicus have their own version of the assassin temples with tech assassins with different roles?

I personally think they should since the Adeptus Mechanicus is kind of an empire within an empire so would likely have their own assassins to rely upon. So there could potentially be other tech assassin temples that specialise in different roles like the Vindicare, Culexus, Eversor etc. If so, how do you think they might be arranged? What roles do you think they might fill?

Firaxin
28-08-2009, 18:16
Don't see why they wouldn't, I mean, they do have their own version of the Inquisition.

Askil the Undecided
28-08-2009, 23:32
Would people please stop reading about the Mechanicum and thinking all the same fluff applies to the Adeptus Mechanicus.

They are two separate entities. One is the pre-heresy Mars-Terra alliance incarnation of the machine cult and the other is an Adeptus faction (sworn to serve the Emperor and the Imperium) post-heresy when the Machine cult forbade most of the technologies that led to the heresy era schisms.

The Mechanicus does not have an Inquisition it has an internal investigative body that performs a similar function albeit with far less power more like a secret police force. I wouldn't imagine there are standing "temples" of tech assassins either more along the lines of individual assassins created/trained and augmented for specific missions.

powa bear
29-08-2009, 05:28
I can see them to use a assasin to get a piece of information witjout much attention from unwanted eyes.

Devil Tree
29-08-2009, 07:28
While I don’t see why the Adeptus Mechanicus couldn’t found their own assassin temples there are a lot of reasons why they shouldn’t. The main one being that that’s the job of the Inquisition, a group who would without a doubt take a dim view of some glorified engineers muscling in on their turf.

It’s also hard to see how the Inquisition would interpret it as anything but a violation of checks and balances and a threat to the Imperium. After all what would the Adeptus Mechanicus need a bunch of vicious stealthy killers for anyways?:eyebrows:

Charax
29-08-2009, 08:34
While I think it's entirely plausible for the Mechanicus to have assassins of it's own (I have an Inquisitor character based on the concept), I don't think they'd be anything like the ones that existed in the Mechanicum, any that exist are probably a specialised subsect of Secutors.

I also don't think they'd be organised into Temples, there's simply no need for them to be anything like the officio Assassinorum assassins at all (in fact, the Adeptus Mechanicus is heavily involved in the creation of Temple assassins, so having similar ones of their own would be somewhat redundant). What's probably more likely is that Mechanicus assassins are more akin to Death Cult Assassins (with the obvious caveat that not all Death Cult assassins are built on the Devout Sisters archetype). They're just trained and augmented to make them especially good at killing, and are given assignments with that in mind.

MadDoc
29-08-2009, 09:31
*sigh*

The existence of Techpriest Assassins has been mentioned by GW in official material... the Sisters of Cydonia for starters... so they do exist.

Edit: Although not as specialist/focussed Temples like those of the Officio Assassinorum.

The Judge
29-08-2009, 09:37
I'd say the Mechanicus definately have their own assassins, but rather than organised into "Sniper temple" and "Anti-psyker temple" etc. they'd be far more... all-rounded, able to deal with all kinds fo situation. Charax's comparison to the Death Cults is spot on, I reckon.

Remember that the Mechanicus have a lot more autonomy than most people believe - on Mechanicus-held worlds they do not suffer Inquisitors and the like to run around killing their priests. The Mechanicus-equivalent to the Inquisition may not have power in all the Imperium, but on a Forgeworld they are incredibly powerful.

Condottiere
29-08-2009, 15:38
Special Forces could be assigned to missions that include elimination of a living target, without being specifically termed assassins.

Alessander
30-08-2009, 01:30
They could easily build a robot that could be sent to destroy something threatening them. Too bad they couldn't call it a terminator =C)

Lord of ???
30-08-2009, 02:45
I'm thinking that if they are currently around they are like the Assassin Cults that the Inquisition love to use. Only more heavily affiliated with a Forge World or a Mechanicus Cult.

Writerski7
30-08-2009, 03:34
Nice. More fluff to take into account on behalf of my personal chapter

Devil Tree
30-08-2009, 06:49
I think an Adeptus Mechanicus assassination team would look like something out of Shadow Run, with a special emphasis on cybernetic enhancements of course. They’d probably also focus most of their efforts towards “acquiring“ “lost” technologies, instead of knocking off renegade planetary governors.

Condottiere
30-08-2009, 07:53
Probably more pure Cyberpunk - Shadowrun had an interesting mix of technology and magic and fantasy races.

MadDoc
30-08-2009, 12:00
I sometimes wonder why I even bother posting information... :(

The Mechanicus has Techpriest Assassins, they've been mentioned in the background by GW. I even referenced one such group of Assassins (albeit Heresy Era), the Sisters of Cydonia (see Horus Heresy: Mechanicum).

They're basically cybered up killing-machines fitted with the best and nastiest kit the Mechanicus (or their Forge/Masters) have to offer.

InquisitorNiels
30-08-2009, 13:04
While I don’t see why the Adeptus Mechanicus couldn’t found their own assassin temples there are a lot of reasons why they shouldn’t. The main one being that that’s the job of the Inquisition, a group who would without a doubt take a dim view of some glorified engineers muscling in on their turf.

It’s also hard to see how the Inquisition would interpret it as anything but a violation of checks and balances and a threat to the Imperium. After all what would the Adeptus Mechanicus need a bunch of vicious stealthy killers for anyways?:eyebrows:

The same reason they need standing armies of those guys that start with a S (I forget how it's spelled). They could use assassins the way they are supposed to be used; to take out high priority targets such as enemy generals, or other battlefield leaders. The Mechanicus has standing armies, it would make sense that they have assassins, spies, and all sorts of other elements that don't get shown in the fluff. As it has been pointed out the Mechanicus is like its own little empire within the Imperium with all the trappings of an empire. It has it's ruling elite, who command the loyalties of other lesser vassals, and so on and so forth. Each Forge World has a lot of military might behind it. Think of the Imperium as feudalism...in space.

On the other hand they could be used by high ranking magos to take out rivals with in the Adeptus Mechanicus itself. Whether it be a younger magos trying to work his way up the ladder, or a higher ranking magos taking out younger rival who is just moving too fast up that ladder.

Killgore
30-08-2009, 15:05
While I don’t see why the Adeptus Mechanicus couldn’t found their own assassin temples there are a lot of reasons why they shouldn’t. The main one being that that’s the job of the Inquisition, a group who would without a doubt take a dim view of some glorified engineers muscling in on their turf.

It’s also hard to see how the Inquisition would interpret it as anything but a violation of checks and balances and a threat to the Imperium. After all what would the Adeptus Mechanicus need a bunch of vicious stealthy killers for anyways?:eyebrows:



The Mechanicus are one of the shadowiest organisations in the galexy! If anyone needs assassins its them. They are not part of the human Imperium, only allied to it with oaths and bonds, therefore they can have hidden branchs such as Mechanicus Assassin temples that no other organisation in the Imperium ever need know about!

Ordo Hydra
30-08-2009, 15:48
Well in addition to that, I could see such assassins being sent out against renegade techpriests or members of the dark mechanicus. Really, I can see a place for tech assassins since the Adeptus Mechanicus has a standing army like the Skitarii and many other things unique to them rather than being taken over by the Imperium.

Charax
30-08-2009, 15:50
I sometimes wonder why I even bother posting information... :(
You're not the only one who posts things that are ignored:


Would people please stop reading about the Mechanicum and thinking all the same fluff applies to the Adeptus Mechanicus.

They are two separate entities.

If you want people to listen, you should probably find an example of something the topic is referring to (an Adeptus Mechanicus assassin) rather than bleating on about your single pre-heresy example going "listen to me, I found one! listen to meeeeeee"

And no, the one from the Kaban project doesn't count either. If, as you say, "The Mechanicus has Techpriest Assassins, they've been mentioned in the background by GW", then it shouldn't be overly hard to find an example of a post-heresy, Adeptus Mechanicus assassin, should it?

Dakkagor
30-08-2009, 15:59
I'm completely lost on whatever argument you people are meant to be having. . . but I believe the general consensus is a "yes"

You'd be looking at a cyberpunk death cult like the moritat reapers. In Disciples of the Dark Gods, the Logicians have a cell of tech-assassins known as the Ashen tear, and they are pretty brutal. Its worth noting that the Logicians are a rogue tech cult, but it can be done, and I can't see why the Admech wouldn't do such a thing. At the very least such beings could be used to hunt down tech heretics and similar.

Joyrock33180
07-05-2015, 06:06
Maybe a good working profile for vanus clade,assuming they could be joined during/after the heresy. Just a thought, because "nemesis" showed 1)vanus is only able to blackmail the other clade to keep its power base & 2)the do sometimes go on actual missions-basically the ones where they're in the dark and ALL going to die. Just a thought...