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Chaplainen
28-08-2009, 23:11
The latest draft of my 2250 pts Empire list for a tourney coming up in Oct this year. (Have earlier drafts with comments posted in htis thread http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216827)

Any obvious flaws? Comments?

1 Arch Lector of Sigmar @ 331 Pts
General; Heavy Armour; War Altar
Van Horstman's Speculum
Sword of Sigismund (ASF, +1 Str)
Shield of the Gorgon (opp in BTB lose 1 Attack)


1 Battle Wizard @ 150 Pts
Magic Level 2
Dispel Scroll
Dispel Scroll

1 Captain @ 158 Pts
Full Plate Armor; Pegasus
Aldred's Casket of Sorcery
Enchanted Shield


1 Captain @ 97 Pts
Full Plate Armor; Battle Standard; Barded Warhorse


25 Swordsmen @ 220 Pts
Full Command

^9 Detachment - Free Company


25 Swordsmen @ 220 Pts
Full Command

^9 Detachment - Free Company


10 Flagellant Warbands (Core) @ 100 Pts


6 Knightly Orders @ 178 Pts
Full Command


10 Handgunners @ 80 Pts


5 Pistoliers @ 114 Pts
Champ w rep pistol


1 Great Cannon @ 100 Pts


1 Great Cannon @ 100 Pts


10 Flagellant Warbands @ 100 Pts


1 Steam Tank @ 300 Pts

greendan
29-08-2009, 02:53
The Character set ups are very good imho.
I've used the captasus with the exact same set up and he's been good. Especially against armies like vampires where if you can remove a few spells can seriously cripple the army.
Although i think a regular mounted warrior priest in a unit of knights is extremely useful.

The handgunners should be detachments for your sword blocks.
Flagellants i'm not too sold on. I know they are unbreakable but they are also T3 with no armour.
By swapping out those two units of flagellants and dropping your knights to vanilla knights you could get another unit of knights and a helblaster.

You could shave a few points off your pistoliers, champions in the swords and perhaps the shield on the arch lector and try and pick up a unit of huntsmen, which can be very useful.

Hope that helps a little. :chrome:

MTUCache
29-08-2009, 03:00
Looks like all the pre-requisites for a hard Empire list.

You could probably get a decent magic item or two on the BSB. Is he going in Knights or Swords? Knights probably don't need full command.

I'd probably prefer Outriders w/HLR over Pistoliers w/repeater.

Two cannons may not always be optimal. Toss up if it's worth changing to a mortar. Against big nasties you won't be nearly as scary. Against hordes it'll be much better though.

Want to go harder? Another unit of Handgunners would be better.
Want to go softer? Need to drop either the WAltar or Stank. Can't have'em both in a friendly list. :p

Jind_Singh
29-08-2009, 09:53
The latest draft of my 2250 pts Empire list for a tourney coming up in Oct this year. (Have earlier drafts with comments posted in htis thread http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216827)

Any obvious flaws? Comments?

1 Arch Lector of Sigmar @ 331 Pts
General; Heavy Armour; War Altar
Van Horstman's Speculum
Sword of Sigismund (ASF, +1 Str)
Shield of the Gorgon (opp in BTB lose 1 Attack)
he's a royal pain in the ass, so LOVE HIM!

1 Battle Wizard @ 150 Pts
Magic Level 2
Dispel Scroll
Dispel Scroll
the level 2 is a wasted 35pts, you'll never pull any spells off (or at least enough to be worth a level 2 upgrade so spend the pts elsewere. He's a scroll caddy, his job is to read parchments during the battle
1 Captain @ 158 Pts
Full Plate Armor; Pegasus
Aldred's Casket of Sorcery
Enchanted Shield
yuk! nice spell stealer

1 Captain @ 97 Pts
Full Plate Armor; Battle Standard; Barded Warhorse
see, with the 35 pts you saved he can at least get a warbannor

25 Swordsmen @ 220 Pts
Full Command

^9 Detachment - Free Company
personal preference from experiance...the free company give away more combat res than earn, better off with statetroop detachment in its place with a 4+ save in combat

25 Swordsmen @ 220 Pts
Full Command

^9 Detachment - Free Company
ditto

10 Flagellant Warbands (Core) @ 100 Pts

some hate but i love, these guys are so useful in empire games as they provide a solid, dependable unit that can be depended on to die WERE you want them to! flush out fanatics with these guys, tie up a unit for at least 1-2 turns while you do other things, whats wrong with these guys? Apart from they are loonie NOTHING!
6 Knightly Orders @ 178 Pts
Full Command
dicey having the full command, would prefer just musician so you save 32 pts (in addition to lvl 2 drop thats 67pts in our bank!

10 Handgunners @ 80 Pts


5 Pistoliers @ 114 Pts
Champ w rep pistol
ideally musician is really needed for the flee reactions so we can try to rally

1 Great Cannon @ 100 Pts


1 Great Cannon @ 100 Pts


10 Flagellant Warbands @ 100 Pts
do we really need 2 of these guys? thats a 100pts we're looking at!

1 Steam Tank @ 300 Pts

yup!

with the above comments the pts i save would be spent on either more pistolliors, more shooty state troops, magic item upgrades, huntsman to act as scouts, or another warmachine. Either way they would be more rewarding on the battlefield than what the current options get you

chippyman64
30-08-2009, 13:57
perhaps drop the scrolls with the rod of saving powerdice, keep him at lvl 2: store 3 dice and you can get 7 DD which seems to be a better magic defense than the caddie combo. Plus it allows you some magic offense against for example bretonians.

Chaplainen
30-08-2009, 16:02
perhaps drop the scrolls with the rod of saving powerdice, keep him at lvl 2: store 3 dice and you can get 7 DD which seems to be a better magic defense than the caddie combo. Plus it allows you some magic offense against for example bretonians.

I see your point...but the store-rod is still a bit undependable because of the chance of losing them, and then the 2 scrolls seem a more solid defence, cuz I can always use them (as long as they don't run out, that is)

Thanks all for the comments...will modify the list and post again soon

Chaplainen
30-08-2009, 20:41
The latest draft...comments?

1 Arch Lector of Sigmar @ 331 Pts
General; Prayers of Sigmar; Heavy Armour; War Altar
Van Horstman's Speculum
Sword of Sigismund
Shield of the Gorgon


1 Battle Wizard @ 115 Pts
Magic Level 1
Dispel Scroll
Dispel Scroll

1 Captain @ 158 Pts
Full Plate Armor; Pegasus
Aldred's Casket of Sorcery
Enchanted Shield


1 Captain @ 97 Pts
Barded Warhorse; Full Plate Armor; Battle Standard


25 Swordsmen @ 259 Pts
Standard; Musician

^9 Detachment - Swordsmen
^5 Detachment - Handgunners


25 Swordsmen @ 259 Pts
Standard; Musician

^9 Detachment - Swordsmen
^5 Detachment - Handgunners


10 Flagellant Warbands (Core) @ 100 Pts


6 Knightly Orders @ 146 Pts
Musician


10 Handgunners @ 80 Pts


10 Huntsmen @ 100 Pts


5 Pistoliers @ 97 Pts
Musician


1 Great Cannon @ 100 Pts


1 Great Cannon @ 100 Pts


1 Steam Tank @ 300 Pts


Should I drop the 10 Handgunner unit and get some magic items for the BSB? Or maybe get more knights instead of the handgunners and huntsmen?

Chaplainen
31-08-2009, 16:04
a little bump