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wighti
12-01-2006, 13:07
Was working some fluff for my own order of sisters and got the (crazy) idea to build the thing around one of the characters in the army being a living saint. Consulting the codex didnt really reveal that much information that I was looking for about the position they hold with the order.

From what I could find is that they'd be highly revered and all that but there was really nothing going on what their wartime place would be. The background I was working on revolved around the idea that the saint would be a seraphim superior, who after miraculous feat after another is declared a saint.

Now, the thing that interest me is that would she still retain her old position as a sister superior or would she be upjumped instantly to some higher position? From the bit about Celestine in the book only stated that she was at the forefront of fighting for her (brief) period as a saint before her death.

Calindor
12-01-2006, 13:20
I think that she would be given a new position. This if you look at the story about Saint Celestine that clearly got above the order of a simple battle sister. The same when it comes to Saint Sabbat in the Gaunts book that became a leader for a whole army(more or less anyway)

Inq. Veltane
12-01-2006, 15:03
I don't think she would really be given a position at all, formally at least. She would be revered and respected though and probably largely excuded from normal duties - although she was probably insist on still performing all of her devotional duties. Would she lead from the front or quietly counsel? Both would be appropriate, depending on the nature of the individual and what the Emperor's Will was in the situation.

As far as how best to represent a saint I'd suggest that she should be more powerful than a Sister Superior, probably using a Canoness is the best way if you don't want to make up your own rules. I could certainly imagine her leading an assault surrounded by an escort of Seraphim though, especially if that is what she did before she was Imbued. Remember that saints are more than just heroes who have achieved a great feat, they are channels of the Emperor's own power.

Khaine's Messenger
12-01-2006, 15:16
(...)or would she be upjumped instantly to some higher position?

She would be removed from the normal flow of command either through promotion or detached veneration, and most likely attended at all times by an enormous court of advisors and hangers-on from enough factions that you'd almost think she was a member of the Senatorum Imperialis (or at least a Planetary Governor). Depending on the circumstances, she may vary in importance from an important figurehead to a real leader to powerful warrior to a carefully groomed propaganda darling (hey, the Imperium's not beneath it). Any way you slice it, she'll be important. If she arises from the Sisters, it's quite likely her path will be similar to St. Celestine.

...and it should be carefully pointed out that the "point" of Living Saints is basically to be a living vessel of the God-Emperor's will, a martyr on borrowed time....

Sai-Lauren
12-01-2006, 15:50
She would be removed from the normal flow of command either through promotion or detached veneration, and most likely attended at all times by an enormous court of advisors and hangers-on from enough factions that you'd almost think she was a member of the Senatorum Imperialis (or at least a Planetary Governor).

Plus the odd imperial officer (especially if they became beatified during a campaign - male living saints are equally as possible as female ones), priests and Inquisitors trying to prove they are vessels of the emperors will or have in fact been possessed by chaos, pilgrims and so on.

If it was a Sister that was beatified, it's highly likely her former squad mates would become her bodyguard and attendants, seeing as they might be considered to be touched by her radiance.



...and it should be carefully pointed out that the "point" of Living Saints is basically to be a living vessel of the God-Emperor's will, a martyr on borrowed time....
Yep, I'm thinking about something from Blade Runner about candles that burn twice as bright...
and they burn so very, very bright indeed.
They're dead, they know it, and they know what they must do before they're called to the great timeshare seat at the side of the emperor.

Lord-Warlock
12-01-2006, 16:28
Depends on what she - which of course also means the Emperor - would want. S/he's imbued with the spirit of the Emperor, and she can boss pretty much everyone around - check out Sabbat and Lugo in Sabbat Martyr, for example. If s/he wants to hang around in the strategorium, so be it; if she wants to be a front-liner, so be it. Either way s/he's a huuuge asset, either fighting or leading or both with the wisdom and strength of the Golden Toilet.

If the LS came from the common ranks - which I view as happening a lot, if "a lot" can be used with the emergence of LSs - then I also second the idea that it's custom for his/her's former squadmates becoming the LS's new personal bodyguard. I can't think of anything much cooler than a grizzled squad of Guardsmen suddenly striding about in power armour and carrying bolters because the LS who used to be their squadmate said they should, and no one messes with a Living Saint!

thimnwitt
12-01-2006, 16:40
I've been thinking of a way to model Saint Sabbat for awhile now. I figure on buying Saint Celestine and removing the cloak. Then to make her have the psyker glow around her I thought of finding some reasonably stiff but clear green plastic and making a jagged/rough looking imperial eagle and having that be attached to her back. It would have dark blue lines either taped in or painted on to give form to the eagle.

Probally not the best spot to pose this question but I figured maybe some other knowledge able saint lovers may have some info on the matter.

schoon
12-01-2006, 17:26
I would think that a Living Saint would be independent and outside of the normal chain of command (an Independent Character).

An entourage would also seem appropriate. I think that some of the Inquisitor/Entourage rules would work well as a Counts As.