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hummus
08-09-2009, 14:02
why would the word bearers worship slanesh?
Its a god made by a xeno race=)
if they do would they also worship the laughing god or Isha?

baphomael
08-09-2009, 14:18
The Chaos Gods are perpetuated by *all* sentient warp-connected species. Slaanesh isnt exclusive to the Eldar (though, it was the Eldar's massive rockstar coke binges during their 'rebellious teen' days that gave birth to it). Likewise, Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch are not solely exclusive to Mankind. Slaanesh isnt an Eldar God (although, they are responsible for him) but generally a Chaos God.

Besides, the Word Bearers tend to shun worshipping any particular Chaos God - its all or nothing for them, worshipping the whole Chaos Undivided.

Latro_
08-09-2009, 14:36
Simple case of religious ideas. Perfectly good idea for a religious doctrine to form within a warband of WB's that develops into the full blown worship of slannesh.

Just look at our own monotheistic religions, judaism came before christianity then came Islam... its all a take on one and morphing it into another with differnt teachings and ideas.

Easy example could be a dark apostle being gifted by a useful slanneshy mutation or gift and taking it as a sign,,, insert swathes of doctrine and religious whatnots and you have an entire subcult of the WB's..

on the point slannesh is a alien spawned god... not really an issue. How would they ever know that? slannesh was about long before them.

JHZ
09-09-2009, 08:48
Probably the same reason a hardcore redneck can use an pinko communist AK without breaking into hives.

What about all the other gods? Most of them were formed long before humanity even stood up right, yet no one considers them to be "alien" gods. They're not, because emotions in 40K are neutral. Everyone hates, loves, etc. The feelings and expressions might alter, but deep down they're all the same. Eldar depravity is no different from human depravity when it comes to which one feeds Slaanesh.

AndrewGPaul
09-09-2009, 09:01
Has the origin of the other Chaos Gods been retconned? Realm of Chaos - The Lost And The Damned stated that Khorne, Nurgle andTzeentch awoke during the Crusades, Black Death and Renaissance respectively.

Condottiere
09-09-2009, 09:04
Maybe they discovered Terrans during the Crusades.

Askil the Undecided
09-09-2009, 13:37
Well there's never been any change to those origin backgrounds that I've seen and it specified "awoke into sentience" noting that they'd always been there just not nessarcarily as fully formed intelligent entities.

Giganthrax
09-09-2009, 14:02
Khorne, who is often stated as being the one who "woke up" first, was still a very young god when humanity was in the middle-ages (or something like that).

Hence, one of his first daemon princes (DOOMBREED, page 32 of the newest chaos codex) was actually a human warlord at first.

Which is to say Khorne (in his "woken up" incarnation) is somewhat a bit over 41 000 years old.

JHZ
09-09-2009, 14:50
After the War in Heaven, the Warp turned from placid to a stormy Hell, and great vortexes of emotion began to take form. The Emperor was born to save the shamans of the old from the rising Chaos, so that their spirits might endure.

Frankly I find humanity as the straw that broke the camel's back a little retarded. A few million humans without any psychic powers on some backwater planet will never create enough psychic activity over the rest of the galaxy. The timeline might be true, but humanity being the reason is just... Doesn't make sense at all.

Iracundus
09-09-2009, 15:52
It makes perfect sense. Khorne, Tzeentch, and Nurgle were human gods, and when humanity was just on Terra, they would likely have been minor warp entities. It is only with the spread of humanity across the galaxy that these gods have increased dramatically in power, paralleling the spread of their primary source of souls and hence power.

It is just the same as how Ork gods are resilient because the Orks are such a successful species, spread across the galaxy, and why the Eldar pantheon weakened as the Eldar became more decadent and started fuelling the nascent Slaanesh instead of their traditional gods.

People need to stop assuming that just because a god is powerful in the 40K present, that they must have always been powerful.

Lord-Caerolion
09-09-2009, 16:17
It makes perfect sense. Khorne, Tzeentch, and Nurgle were human gods, and when humanity was just on Terra, they would likely have been minor warp entities. It is only with the spread of humanity across the galaxy that these gods have increased dramatically in power, paralleling the spread of their primary source of souls and hence power.

It is just the same as how Ork gods are resilient because the Orks are such a successful species, spread across the galaxy, and why the Eldar pantheon weakened as the Eldar became more decadent and started fuelling the nascent Slaanesh instead of their traditional gods.

People need to stop assuming that just because a god is powerful in the 40K present, that they must have always been powerful.

Exactly. The Rage-Vortex still existed before Khorne gained dominance, it's just that the dominant sub-vortex was Khaine (or possibly an Ork god). Khorne/Nurgle/Tzeentch are reflections of human emotion predominantly, just as Khaine is the Eldar equivalent of Khorne.
So before Khorne was dominant, we had Khaine as the big Rage-vortex. Before Nurgle, we had Morai-Heg, and before Tzeentch we had Lilleath. Nothing resembling a "straw that broke the camels back" needed. Khorne etc came into sentience when they were said to, they just didn't come into dominance then. The only reason Slaanesh took a place amongst the others when She did was because She had an entire Empire to feed on at once, not just dribs and drabs as people died or felt emotions.


Although, I think where the main power of the Human 3 comes from is that compared to every other races "cultured/grown" Gods, the ones we made were left to develop by themselves. The Eldar were taught how to "cultivate" gods by the Old Ones, and the Orks have a single culture across the whole population to direct the development of their gods.
Conversely, you have the human warp presences, which due to a much more fractured society developed at a much more primal level, and as such was able to draw strength from other races as well as humans. This could help explain both their position as "human gods", yet the dominant ones as well.

So before humanity, we had a Rage-Vortex, and a Khaine-vortex and a Gork-vortex swirling within, in the middle of the larger, unsentient "Rage". With the growth of humanity, and our inability to produce a singular warp-vortex of our own, our "rage" fed directly into the primal "Rage", and began giving that a presence and sentience. Of course, we would have developed much, much smaller war-gods and such over time, but nothing near the mental-racial unity that was Khaine or Gork. Instead, our emotions trickled down in much larger amounts to Primal Rage, and over time we created Khorne. The Middle-Ages was when it first began to wake, given enough sentience to rouse from its slumber, but not enough to fully waken its entirety. Only as we began to expand out through the stars did Khorne begin to wake more and more, until the height of the first human empire, when he was fully woken.

Allen
10-09-2009, 07:25
It makes perfect sense. Khorne, Tzeentch, and Nurgle were human gods, and when humanity was just on Terra, they would likely have been minor warp entities


No, it does not make any sense at all.
One of the last Black Library novels (Legion) clearly states that a council of ancient races fought the "Primordial Enemy" (the four Chaos Gods) millennia before humanity even appeared on earth in the form of monocellular slimy things.

The four gods of Chaos "appareance" could have been "shaped" by humanity, but certaintly only after mankind became the most common living being in the milky way after the Orks. The big four were around and powerful well before humanity even came in existence...according to official, modern fluff at least.

Lord-Caerolion
10-09-2009, 07:41
No, it does not make any sense at all.
One of the last Black Library novels (Legion) clearly states that a council of ancient races fought the "Primordial Enemy" (the four Chaos Gods) millennia before humanity even appeared on earth in the form of monocellular slimy things.

The four gods of Chaos "appareance" could have been "shaped" by humanity, but certaintly only after mankind became the most common living being in the milky way after the Orks. The big four were around and powerful well before humanity even came in existence...according to official, modern fluff at least.

Actually, it states they fought Chaos, the Primordial Enemy, it makes no reference to specifically fighting Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch, so your argument is invalid. I suppose you'll also use that same logic of the Primordial Enemy specifically being the current 4 to mean that Slaanesh wasn't made by the Eldar, and was "born" for millenia, instead of being a recent god?

Chaos isn't necessarily those 4. Before humans, it would have been primal Rage, Hope and Despair, rather than specific named beings.

In essence though, you're agreeing with us. Khorne/Nurgle/Tzeentch existed only as humans shaped them, but the emotion they represented still existed before that. Doesn't make it any less possible, you're just mixing up Chaos as a whole with the current 4, something that isn't true.

Iracundus
10-09-2009, 07:57
There is no reference to the big 4 gods in the Necron Codex, only saying the warp became turbulent. People need to read what is actually written and stop jumping to conclusions of concluding turbulent warp must instantly equal the same as the current 4 Chaos gods.

Jackmojo
10-09-2009, 08:55
Re; the OP

The word bearers are religion addicts, and slaanesh is all about addiction and likely leads them into fits of religious ecstasy (seizures, speaking in tongues, that sort of stuff).

Jack