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fox-hound
11-11-2009, 03:45
It seems to me that 40k has grown in popularity over the past year in America that most other games are underplayed, is this true for other people as well?

Writerski7
11-11-2009, 03:47
Yes. Especially since I'm american.

ooglatjama
11-11-2009, 04:32
We have cycles of 40k, Fantasy, and LOTR at our store.

IcedAnimals
11-11-2009, 04:33
I think it is growing in parts and shrinking in others. Here in the western states for example the game is doing fairly poor. My original hobby shop quit carrying the models and changed to a MODEL TRAIN store. because the owner didnt see money from it. And the only GW within 500 miles of my house closed down last year.

However talking to some people i know in other states they have a ton of new stores opening up over in chicago for example.

Kriegfreak
11-11-2009, 04:40
Our store has seen 4 to 5 more 40k players show up doing our Thursday 'Paint-Days' here in Myrtle Beach South Carolina these past 2 months. This was thanks in part to a convention that was held earlier where we had 40k demos and models on show. Flyers and cards were also handed out by the tons, as well as the mention in White Dwarf. Marketing does indeed go a long way, and despite the economy here people aren't afraid to spend the change. It is almost entirely 40k at our store however. At my old location it was a 40k/Fantasy thing with most people playing both, and usually 40k was the most popular but once in awhile Fantasy was the flavor of the month.

There was a store around here that used to have 40k stuff, and stopped carrying it because they didn't see any money in it. Now that this new one does, people from long distances come just to get their warhammer fix. I think the sales of which surprised the owners quite happily. As mentioned, it was all about marketing and getting to that niche branch of consumers. Once they know where you are, that you play games and have a stable group of core people. They will come. The quality and awesomeness of GW minis will make people play it over other games despite it being more expensive from my experience.

GW could lower prices and draw even MORE people into the game obviously, but that is a rant for another topic :).

ColonalKlink
11-11-2009, 04:52
here in Norfolk we got Alot of 40k players, so many infact my local club has had to turn away some

BTW thats the REAL Norfolk. UK not the one in the states

Operative
11-11-2009, 04:59
BTW thats the REAL Norfolk. UK not the one in the states

So you're not in the U.S.?

Death Company
11-11-2009, 05:03
The only GamesWorkshop in my entire state shut down, so no, not here.

DuskRaider
11-11-2009, 05:40
No GW shops here in UPNY, but the two stores in the Albany area have a steady following and it seems to be on the rise, so I'd say it's growing. At least around here.

Imperius
11-11-2009, 06:03
Im Canadian, but for GW discussion purposes it's basically the same thing.

What I'm seeing is little support into the West (where I live...) and tons of new stores and pro awesome stuff cropping up in the East.

Firaxin
11-11-2009, 06:25
The 5 nearest GWs to me all closed down within the last 2 years. Including the region's Battle Bunker.

tezdal
12-11-2009, 01:59
There were a couple GW stores but they closed, at the local shop what I mostly see is FOW and some Reaper stuff with once in a while 40k.

SirSnipes
12-11-2009, 02:07
my game store sirgamesalot in barrie ontario see on average 20 40k gamers, 10 fantasy gamers and about 20 lotr gamers(sbg) we dont like wotr, every week

Sildani
12-11-2009, 02:08
Here in Virginia four new GW's just opened, all within 75 miles of each other.

tuebor
12-11-2009, 02:40
The FLGS in my town closed, and I hear quite a few others have closed, but with Michigan's economy being in the crapper for the last 8 years that's to be expected.

tezdal
12-11-2009, 03:00
Here in Virginia four new GW's just opened, all within 75 miles of each other.

they opened up four? i thought they just closed the ones in Richmond and Potomac Mills not to long ago...guess im out of the loop

Culgore
12-11-2009, 03:06
I got 2 of my homies to start playing in WI :)

Caiphas Cain
12-11-2009, 03:06
In Chicago it's spreading like mad! About 100% more people come to the store I go to each day, the staff hardly gets a break!

Yautja
12-11-2009, 03:20
they opened up four? i thought they just closed the ones in Richmond and Potomac Mills not to long ago...guess im out of the loop

They did. However they just opened up stores in another place. The Potomac Mills store was shifted to Fair Oaks. I'm not sure about the Richmond store.

Murphey
12-11-2009, 03:20
I live in Michigan (i.e. the state decimated by the crash), so the two hobby stores local to my home town closed down about a month ago. That's not to say that 40k is doing worse here, it's just that everything is doing worse here. We've got the highest unemployment rate in the country, currently at 15.3%.

So, while I think that 40k is probably getting more popular in the states overall, the terrible local economy has killed almost all the hobby stores around here. I'm just lucky enough that I live in Ann Arbor, and there is 3 hobby stores within easy drive range of here.

~Murphey

cotillion989
12-11-2009, 03:22
I started playing a little less than a year ago. I used to play fantasy growing up but forgot about the whole hobby for a while. When I moved I saw a games workshop so I went to go check everything out. Started playing some fantasy games with models from the attic met some people playing there, heard about the brokenness of Demons and VC in Fantasy and apparently now almost everyone at that location was playing 40k. Gave it a shot... Now I have a big ol Nids army and a ton of space wolves.

Triszin The Wrath God
12-11-2009, 03:31
40k does eem to be growing in the states, thanks to the video games most likely. but no GW near me, closest one is in either in detroit or Chicago, but the local stores are doing great.

i expect to see a massive increase in players as soon as the Space marine video game comes out, even if it is only for 4-6 months.

fluffstalker
12-11-2009, 03:45
Id say the opposite. With money tight right now people dont want to put an investment into such an expensive hobby. Shops are closing down everywhere, in my area I have to rely heavily on independent retailers.

HsojVvad
12-11-2009, 03:56
Well I am in Canada, Ontario, in a city of less than 90 000. We don't have a GW store, closest one is half hour drives away. But we had a gaming store, well more of a hobby store but sold gaming stuff, close down 2 years ago. A gaming store, wich sold lots of GW stuff, close down, and a comic store, stopped selling GW stuff. Anthour comic store has stopped selling GW stuff, and I guess waiting to get rid of it's inventory.

A new store opened up in Toronto, though, but that is an hours drive from me. Good store by the way, not shure if I can put the name of the store up. 30% off GW stuff, you can't go wrong there.

But I see GW going down a slow decline unless you in a hot bed area. So GW is hot in some areas, and cold in others.

Red Beard
12-11-2009, 04:55
I live in Alabama...

The GW stores in Tennessee closed down. There is a huge gaming community in Tennessee though and it is keeping 40k alive and well. Here in Alabama 40k is hit or miss. It seems Huntsville has a decent gaming group but here in Decatur it is hard to get everyone together. Cullman has a small place but it is closed half of the week. I dont see many tournaments around here and I wish that would change.

HA!
12-11-2009, 05:18
Several local shops shut down, but thanks the local club, we seem to have more players than ever.

Karhedron
12-11-2009, 10:14
Our local club has recently seen an influx of new players (mainly 40K). We have had to changed from fortnightly to weekly and also get an extra room upstairs for more tables. Fantasy gets a look in too but 40K seems to be the main game. Occasioanlly get get specialist games and non-GW stuff too. Not much LOTR in my area but that does not bother me as I don't play it.

Galatan
12-11-2009, 10:26
I find it suprising that in the states I constantly read about stores closing down and that some people have to drive for miles and miles just to get their fix, while in europe I can't help but notice that the hobby only seems to be growing. After all these years only 1 dedicated store here in the netherlands has closed down (It was a GW, but it switched over to an elite store) as far as I know.

BTW maybe not in america, but 40k is growing here as well, but it could be flavour of the year.

lord_gundam
12-11-2009, 15:42
Well i Puerto Rico with no have GW store but i found new guys play the games.we use internet to buy on GW,Ebay and the other places to find items. Will need a GW store here ( so we buy forgeworld items )

razormasticator
12-11-2009, 15:57
No GW shops here in UPNY, but the two stores in the Albany area have a steady following and it seems to be on the rise, so I'd say it's growing. At least around here.

Agreed, I live in the area and played at the ard boys pre-lim at Zombie Planet. There is a growing interest amongst 40k players I would say. There are probably about 30-40 players that play regularly amongst the local shops.

darker4308
12-11-2009, 15:59
I think we all owe dawn of a war a lot of gratitude.

starlight
12-11-2009, 16:17
All the locals have either stopped carrying GW due to the difficulty of justifying the price to parents (according to staff/owners) or closed/are closing/selling out due to lack of profitability. When I travel I try to stop in and visit the FLGSs and I have yet to visit one who says that GW sales are improving... :(


The most positive observation I've heard recently was last summer when a staffer said, "...the local community is strong and we have lots of gamers who play...they just can't afford GW any more, so we won't be carrying GW any more..."

:(

Madfool2
12-11-2009, 16:18
I think we all owe dawn of a war a lot of gratitude.

As a chaos marine aspiring champion says when regrouping.

"We're back! And better than ever!" :p

SPYDER68
12-11-2009, 17:22
Honestly.. who cares if GW has official stores in every state.. mostly all i hear about them is how bad the staff is, pulling bs etc when something doesnt go their way.

Its the local shops that are owned bye Individuals that are good.

Also if most shops think they can make it selling 40k only in the US all i say is Good luck, and have fun going out of buisness, we have 10-15 40k players here in a town of 70,000. Probly more that go to other towns, but even if it was 20-40 people that were regular. now way that few can keep a store going alone.

LKHERO
12-11-2009, 17:54
40K is easier to learn, easier to master, and generally attract more people due to the Sci-Fi element than Fantasy.

Netfreakk
12-11-2009, 18:29
Chicago here seems to be doing well.

Firaxin
12-11-2009, 21:11
I'd also like to point out that GW is consolidating all of our Games Days this year into a single time and place, down from the 3-5 it usually is.

Sorros
13-11-2009, 01:07
DoW1+2 have spread a lot of awareness about the Warhammer franchise. They have been opening up the tabletop to PC gamers who enjoy the dark, gritty 40k franchise. I myself met a new smurf player who just started because of DoW. I think that the prices that GW charge turn off a lot of players, and even I don't like to buy anything except for paints from them--I instead use eBay. If GW lessened the prices, I'm sure the rise of gamers would make them even more money than would be lost be the price lowering.

DaSpaceAsians
13-11-2009, 01:26
I know that in my area, it's the same people all the time and there's not any new people coming in these days. Most of the regular teens have left due to school and loss of interest. I also hope that my IG school project will bring up interest but the local GW and easily locatable one got closed so it's gonna kind of hard for people to buy.

Operative
13-11-2009, 02:37
DoW1+2 have spread a lot of awareness about the Warhammer franchise. They have been opening up the tabletop to PC gamers who enjoy the dark, gritty 40k franchise. I myself met a new smurf player who just started because of DoW. I think that the prices that GW charge turn off a lot of players, and even I don't like to buy anything except for paints from them--I instead use eBay. If GW lessened the prices, I'm sure the rise of gamers would make them even more money than would be lost be the price lowering.

I'd have to agree.

I think it's hard for many people to justify paying what they do currently.

I know a lot of people who might pick up an additional squad or what-not to go with an army they already play, but not nearly as many willing to start an army from scratch.

This could explain so many shops eating it. I can't imagine a store thriving off the average box of Marines or paint sales here 'er there.

madprophet
13-11-2009, 02:58
No GW shops here in UPNY, but the two stores in the Albany area have a steady following and it seems to be on the rise, so I'd say it's growing. At least around here.

I'm in Albany too. Zombie Planet and Flights of Fantasy both do well with 40k. Fantasy, not so much. (Flights of Fantasy stopped carrying most of the Fantasy line)

Warmachine, Flames of War and other small unit games are also popular.

Amnar
13-11-2009, 04:08
Im Canadian, but for GW discussion purposes it's basically the same thing.

What I'm seeing is little support into the West (where I live...) and tons of new stores and pro awesome stuff cropping up in the East.

I see you're in Vancouver, I strongly recommend you check out Strategies Games on Main Street, there's a really good 40k crowd there that pretty much plays every Sunday.

Imperius
13-11-2009, 04:24
I see you're in Vancouver, I strongly recommend you check out Strategies Games on Main Street, there's a really good 40k crowd there that pretty much plays every Sunday.

I'm the type of guy who goes into the store, takes a mad dash for the product and leaves right after paying soon as possible.

Call me anti-social, but recently I've been getting into modelling and painting over the actual gaming.

Operative
13-11-2009, 04:29
I'm the type of guy who goes into the store, takes a mad dash for the product and leaves right after paying soon as possible.

Call me anti-social, but recently I've been getting into modelling and painting over the actual gaming.

I did this at the GW near my house, but only because the staff had no idea what I was talking about half the time.

The first time 'er two, I'd actually turn around and try to chat with them about 40K while I browsed, but their eyes would glaze over and they'd start trying to up-sell things that have no place in my army.

Maybe they were just Fantasy types. :shrug:

tuebor
13-11-2009, 04:55
I'm the type of guy who goes into the store, takes a mad dash for the product and leaves right after paying soon as possible.

I've only been to one actual GW store and the employees there used to drive me nuts. I'd walk in and pick something up and the guy would ask me all kinds of silly questions, trying to get me interested in the flavor of the month. I'd respond and because I was a foreigner (this was in France) he'd talk slowly and loudly, which is rather insulting as my French is really not that bad. Luckily I found an FLGS just 500m down the road and the GW shop closed down about a year later.

Amnar
13-11-2009, 06:49
I'm the type of guy who goes into the store, takes a mad dash for the product and leaves right after paying soon as possible.

Call me anti-social, but recently I've been getting into modelling and painting over the actual gaming.

You should give it a shot. A bunch of people who go there are more into the modelling and painting than the gaming. Unpainted minis aren't allowed on the gaming tables, and there's an annual painting contest that's pretty cool. Last one had 60-70 entries.

Grand Warlord
13-11-2009, 17:58
Here in ohio, locally the dayton area, 40k does seem to be more popular than fantasy. I know a lot of my group it really comes down to $$$ and its cheaper to get a full 40k list than fantasy.

tinfoil
13-11-2009, 19:45
Sounds like answers are very regionally driven.

Several years ago GW started closing stores in my region (New England). And then of course, unfortunately, the Great Recession hit, and my FLGS closed. Club mates and I have been renting a hall to play weekly games in, but of course, that's drawing no new players into the hobby. I'd say around here 40k is on life support.

Nezalhualixtlan
13-11-2009, 20:48
Our gaming group here in Boston just continues to keep growing, all 40k. We've gotten to the point where we don't have enough room for people at the store sometimes, we've been setting up new tables, and trying to expand the capabilities, but it's getting tough. We definitely have seen an increase, some new people and some returning after not playing for a while.

Amnar
13-11-2009, 22:19
Hah, maybe you two Bostonians should hook up... just a thought..