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Eisenhorn
05-12-2009, 15:23
Okay i used to play the so called SAD army or skyre list in the 6th ed and 5th ed skaven books.

I am big fan of Clan skyre and its crazy engineering steam punkish tech. So i bought the new skaven book and stared to do up new skyre armies with all the new toys. I have almost filled a small notepad at work with different lists on this theme so i thought i might post some of the most promising here.

List 1 The Bell list.

Grey seer, Dscroll, Condser, Bell = 485
Warlock engineer, lvl 1, Dscroll = 90
Warlock engineer, lvl 1, Dscroll = 90
Warlock engineer, lvl 1, Dscroll = 90

30 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 143
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
2 Mortars = 130
1 Warpfire = 70
2 Flayers = 110

20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40

Doom Wheel = 150
Cannon = 90

Total = 1985


List 2 The Globadier list

Grey seer, Dscroll, Condser, Foul Pendant = 315
Warlock engineer, lvl 2, Dscroll = 125
Warlock engineer, lvl 2, Dscroll = 125

30 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 143
29 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 138.5
29 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 138.5
3 Flayers = 165

20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40

7 Globadiers = 70
7 Globadiers = 70
5 Globadiers = 50
Mortar = 130

5 jezzails, sharpshooter = 110

Doom wheel = 150
Doom wheel = 150

Total = 2000

Feel free to tear them up. I will be adding more as i come up with more

kiickman
05-12-2009, 16:09
i would get an Hellpits thiny.. as i did use it last night whit a list for 2000k and it was Just insane.. i lost it and was really lucky to get it back whit 4 wounds hehe! so it is really powerful but u need to cut down on something.. and ur Slaves shoud have like 22+ in unites size.. i am having always 23+ slaves and Clanrat behind them. but it is just me

Blkc57
05-12-2009, 16:30
Eisenhorn is making Skyre lists though, kiickman, an and HPA is a clan Moulder unit.

I would think Eis, that you would want to maybe include a doomrocket on one of your engineers, those things seem to be brutal from games I've watched. Also I've never seen anyone try to field an assassin carrying the infernal bomb, while it may not be too useful in terms of actually winning a game, fluff wise it sounds awesome (woot Land mines!).

Foegnasher
05-12-2009, 17:01
since skyre got hit with the nerf bat.. i actually LIKE the first one!

13 power dice is a bit obscene... but you don'thave two doomwheels....
maybe drop a wizard for some PWG, or a ratlingun, or some jezzails. keep it fluffy and resonable and i'm sure your opponents wont have a problem.

what are you useing for doomflayers?

the second list is interesting. i would be wary from useing doomflayers on the same units you will eb chucking PWG at. that could turn out really bad for you. i dont like the two doomwheels. what's the deal with 7, 7 5? why not 6, 6, and 7/6?

magic not as heavy, seems to be geared toward mixing it up iun CC (clanrats, pwg, doomflayers) but has less units?

i like #1 better to win, but #2 shows promise. aybe "combine" the two? put some PWG in in the first on, drop some magic and keep you numbers up.

Eisenhorn
05-12-2009, 17:08
as i stated before this is a skyre list so no HPA or othere non clan skyre unites

well i could drop some globadiers. switch around a little...

mayby like this

Globadier list v1.1

List 2 The Globadier list

Grey seer, 2 Dscroll, Condser, Foul Pendant = 340
Warlock engineer, lvl 2, Dscroll, Doom Rocket = 130
Warlock engineer, lvl 2, Dscroll = 125

30 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 143
29 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 138.5
29 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 138.5
3 Flayers = 165

20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40

5 Globadiers = 50
6 Globadiers = 60
5 Globadiers = 50
Mortar = 130

5 jezzails, sharpshooter = 110

Doom wheel = 150
Doom wheel = 150

Total = 2000

I though that i could posibley also switch out the doom wheels with cannons

Bell list v1.1

Grey seer, Dscroll, Condser, Bell = 485
Warlock engineer, lvl 2, Dscroll = 125
Warlock engineer, lvl 2, Dscroll = 125

30 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 143
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
2 Mortars = 130
1 Warpfire = 70
2 Flayers = 110

20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40

4 jezzails = 80

Cannon = 90
Cannon = 90

Total = 2000

Globadier list v1.2

Grey seer, 2 Dscroll, Condser, Foul Pendant = 340
Warlock engineer, lvl 2, Doom Rocket = 130
Warlock engineer, lvl 2, Dscroll = 125

30 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 143
29 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 138.5
29 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 138.5
3 Flayers = 165

20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40

8 Globadiers = 80
6 Globadiers = 60
8 Globadiers = 80
Mortar = 130

6 jezzails, sharpshooter = 110

Cannon = 90
Cannon = 90

Total = 2000

Eisenhorn
06-12-2009, 10:12
Another update. I have tried to combined the two list into one

Skyre mix list 1

Grey seer, Dscroll, Condser, Pendant = 315
Warlock engineer, lvl 1, Dscroll = 90
Warlock engineer, lvl 1, Dscroll = 90

30 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 143
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
3 Mortars = 195
2 Flayers = 110

20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40

7 Globadiers = 70
7 Globadiers = 70

6 Jezzails = 120

Doom Wheel = 150
Cannon = 90

Total = 1995

Eisenhorn
08-12-2009, 10:36
Well i got some more listes. This time with Ikit Claw my favorite :D normaly i dont like using special charchters, but Ikit is the headhoncho Warlock.

Ikits Force 1

Ikit Claw = 395
Warlock engineer, lvl 1, Dscroll = 90
Warlock engineer, lvl 1, Dscroll = 90

30 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 143
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
3 Mortars = 195
2 Flayers = 110

20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40

11 Globadiers, Bombadier = 115

Doom Wheel = 150
Doom Wheel = 150

Total = 2000

2 Doom wheels might seem a little OTT, i Dont like leaving a Cannon on its own when the whole army advances.

Ikits Force 2

Ikit Claw = 395
Warlock engineer, lvl 1, Dscroll = 90
Warlock engineer, lvl 1, Dscroll = 90

30 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 143
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
3 Mortars = 195
2 Flayers = 110

20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40

11 Globadiers, Bombadier = 115

6 jezzails, sharpshooter = 120

Cannon = 90
Cannon = 90

Total = 2000

Also got an experimental list useig a chieftain as the general.

Non lord list 1

Cheiftain, Shield, Foul pendant = 77
Warlock engineer, lvl 2, Dscroll = 125
Warlock engineer, lvl 2, Dscroll = 125

30 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 143
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
3 Mortars = 195
2 Flayers = 110

20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40

12 Globadiers = 120
12 Globadiers = 120

5 Jezzails = 100


Doom Wheel = 150
Doom Wheel = 150

Total = 2000

Foegnasher
08-12-2009, 18:56
Another update. I have tried to combined the two list into one

Skyre mix list 1

Grey seer, Dscroll, Condser, Pendant = 315
Warlock engineer, lvl 1, Dscroll = 90
Warlock engineer, lvl 1, Dscroll = 90

30 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 143
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
20 Clan Rats with shields and standar = 98
3 Mortars = 195
2 Flayers = 110

20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40
20 slaves = 40

7 Globadiers = 70
7 Globadiers = 70

6 Jezzails = 120

Doom Wheel = 150
Cannon = 90

Total = 1995

this is it. this one right here is fluffy enough to pass the eeball test, and powerful enough to rock all 4 phases of the game i really dont like the minimum sized clanrat units, but other than that this list is aces.

good work!

warhawk95
08-12-2009, 19:53
I agree with Foegnasher that list he has is a solid list. Its fluffy, competitive, not point and click. You have a good magic phase,but dont need it to win because you also have some good shooitng and large amount of troops for movment. All in all a good list nothing to complain about its everything a skaven list should be.

Eisenhorn
08-12-2009, 23:55
Thanks so far its my favorite too. It is very similar to what i used to play with before the new book.

As i said before i am not comfortable to leave the cannon and the jezzails behind without any support but in this list i could always spare a unite of globadiers for babysitting the cannon and jezzails.

as for the minimum sized clanrat unites. I always belived it was better to have 2 smaller unites instead of one really big one.

Thanks for the comments

Tower_Of_The_Stars
09-12-2009, 01:48
Surely move the condenser onto onto an Engineer as they are guaranteed to get warp lightning?

Edit
09-12-2009, 17:40
actually, what is the purpose of the lvl 1 engineers? they get one dice, and if you give them the pool dice so they can actually cast something, it takes away from your seer's available pool.

Just thinking out loud here, but warplightening is a 6+ cast, its 2 dice or basically they can't cast it

StratManKudzu
09-12-2009, 17:55
actually, what is the purpose of the lvl 1 engineers? they get one dice, and if you give them the pool dice so they can actually cast something, it takes away from your seer's available pool.

Just thinking out loud here, but warplightening is a 6+ cast, its 2 dice or basically they can't cast it

To carry a dispell scroll?

Edit
09-12-2009, 18:01
why not have 2 scrolls on one dude hiding then, would be cheaper?

Tarian
09-12-2009, 18:03
Except that you can take 2 scrolls on one Engineer and save the points on the other.

I think they're there for the Skyre theme, personally, and maybe a dispel dice.

Eisenhorn
10-12-2009, 00:32
Thanks for all the comments. im going to clarify a few things.

The condenser on the Grey seer issue:
It is there to make him more skyreish (if that's a word). I don't think of him as a Grey seer his more like a senior Warlock, So i had to give him some warlock gear. He is only going to use spells from the lore of ruin s there's a big chance of getting Warp lightning most of the times and when i don't it still generates an extra power dice on a 5+

The two puny lvl1 Warlock issue:
These guys have three main functions: 1st carry a dispel scroll. 2nd Generate a dispel dice. 3rd Cast warp lighting when I can spare the pool dice. Which I think is going to be almost all the time. Also you cant have a Skyre army and not have Warlock engineers :p