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Griffindale
20-01-2010, 18:09
Which army is capable of the smallest model count these days? (excluding Grey Knights)

Charistoph
20-01-2010, 18:11
Probably the new Tyrranids codex. Mulit-wound Troops helps a lot.

azimaith
20-01-2010, 18:11
Nids.
7 models.
Any HQ+2 ripper bases of 3.
There are probably others.

Tomalock
20-01-2010, 18:15
What point value are you looking at exactly?

azimaith
20-01-2010, 18:16
I can make 500 points with the above 7 models.

Bunnahabhain
20-01-2010, 18:20
Orks have the smallest possible I know of.

2 big meks
2 deff dreads - allowed as troops by the meks.
4 models, 2 hq, 2 troops.


If the Nids can do HQ, and 2 MC as troops, that will be the ultimate limit...

Ravenwing can do 7.
special character ( hq)
2 x 3 bikes( troops)

Khorneguy
20-01-2010, 18:20
Deathwing. Belial and two Deathwing Terminator squads. 11 models. Can't think of any less, as 5 strong minimum squads tend to be the norm for troops choices

Tomalock
20-01-2010, 18:20
I was directing that more at the OP. The point value makes all the difference in model count.

Tethylis
20-01-2010, 18:29
Logan Grimnar

2 x 3 Wolf Guard (1 upgraded to Arjac Rockfist) with Terminator armour, Chainfists, Storm Shields & Melta Bombs

Thats 7 models coming in at 800pts

bigcheese76
20-01-2010, 18:55
Armoured Company codex.
Leman Russ Command Tank- HQ
2 Leman Russ Battle Tanks- Troops

3 Models could come in over 800 points if you really tool them up.

lord opium
20-01-2010, 18:59
I personally like 2 warbosses on bikes with 20 tooled up nobs on bikes, I know its 22 models and thats a lot for this but it is 1500pts.

Bunnahabhain
20-01-2010, 19:02
Armoured Company codex.
Leman Russ Command Tank- HQ
2 Leman Russ Battle Tanks- Troops

3 Models could come in over 800 points if you really tool them up.


Don't the Armoured company lists require you to take a (elite) squadron command tank for each troops squadron, so making it 5 tanks minimum? or has that changed?

LonelyPath
20-01-2010, 19:05
Hive Tyrant - maxed upgrades
2 Tyrant Guard - bone swords
2 broods of 3 warriors - maxed upgrades

Thats 9 models for about 900 points.

Not the smallest, but darn small when you can add 3 monstrous creatures from heavy support to make 1500 points.

3 trygons anyone? :D

WinglessVT2
20-01-2010, 19:59
Demonhunters.

LonelyPath
20-01-2010, 20:24
Demonhunters.

He said excluding Grey Knights, which rules out Daemon Hunters.

Thud
20-01-2010, 20:31
He said excluding Grey Knights, which rules out Daemon Hunters.

No, it does not. It excludes Grey Knights.

If the OP would be willing to amend that slightly (i.e., take a Brother Captain) he could field six Land Raiders in a 1,750 point list. If not, he'd be able to take five. Definitely not a high model count army.

IcedAnimals
20-01-2010, 20:35
Is there a point limit to this thing? Because a lot of armies could probably make 300 point armies with a few models because of the point cost.

However lets say its 1500.

Wraithwing necrons with the deciever and couple monoliths comes in pretty low. Around 32 models for the entire thing.

Could go with a terminator/landraider based army. They are around 500 points per squad + transport so you could probably get down to about 20 models with that. (If you use a space marine codex that has termies count as scoring)

And as was mentioned above If you go a really min maxed tyranid monstrous creature list you can get 1500 point army with only 12 models.

Grax
20-01-2010, 20:39
I just had a discusion like this at librarium-online, and the smallest I could figure that was at a reasonable point level (1500 or so) and actually had a chance of winning objective based missions (the above Ork and Tyranid lists have no chance), was 16 models, in two different lists:

Chaos Marines:

1 Daemon Prince w/MoT, wings, wind of chaos, warptime

1 Daemon Prince w/wings, warptime

1 Greater Daemon

2 x 5 Plaguebearers w/2 plasmaguns, aspiring champion

1 Defiler

2 Land Raiders

...

Space marines:

Librarian

2 x 5 Marine Scouts w/sniper rifles, camo cloaks, sgt w/powerfist

3 x Venerable Dreadnoughts w/TL lascannon, missile launcher arm

2 x Land Raiders


Anything less and it probably won't be able to work. You need at the very least 2 units of 5 resilient troops that can either sit on objectives, or move up to claim them. With that in mind, I'd say the smallest feasible army, regardless of the point level, would be 11 models.

Mannimarco
20-01-2010, 20:41
ork deffwing:

2 mega armoured warbosses
4x5 meganobz
4 battlewagons

its slow outside of the wagons but anything it touches dies

lord_zyplon
20-01-2010, 21:10
Don't the Armoured company lists require you to take a (elite) squadron command tank for each troops squadron, so making it 5 tanks minimum? or has that changed?

The HQ Command tanks also work for this purpose.

bigcheese76
20-01-2010, 21:17
Don't the Armoured company lists require you to take a (elite) squadron command tank for each troops squadron, so making it 5 tanks minimum? or has that changed?

No, you have to take a either command tank or an elite tank for every 2 troops tanks.

Zeroth
20-01-2010, 21:36
Well my 1750 Deathwing army got 20 models. It's smaller than most armies I play against. 8 kill points are nice, but 5 objectives is not so fun:p

Cosmid
20-01-2010, 22:29
I think the minimum model count for Eldar using 1500 such that no single model could be simply added with the remaining points is 12 at 1480 points:
Maxed Farseer (He's not strictly worse than Eldrad, he has a jetbike!)
Asurmen
2x3 Guardian jetbikes with a cannon each.
3 maxed brightlance falcons.
1 maxed brightlance vyper.

12 models.
Should be legal unless there is a phoenix lord rule so Asurmen can't be used with none of his aspect in the army.


The minimum without regard to points would be 7 for an HQ and 2x3 guardian jetbikes. That could range from 202 to 380 pts.

LonelyPath
20-01-2010, 22:41
If the OP would be willing to amend that slightly (i.e., take a Brother Captain) he could field six Land Raiders in a 1,750 point list. If not, he'd be able to take five. Definitely not a high model count army.

Without GK you can take 4 LRs on a DH list. The lord is a 0-1 choice and you can take a LR for each Elite Inquisitor and his retinue as dedicated transports. Those in Heavy Support may only be taken if your army includes a Grey Knight hero.

Still a low model count though with Lord, + retinue + LR, 3 elie inquisitors + retinue + LR, 2 x 5 man ST squads + chimeras. Oh, and you could also take a orbital strike to save on models and use up points :)

Tomalock
20-01-2010, 23:07
You can only take 0-1 Greater Summoned Daemons with CSM.

You can still take 5 LRs without GKs. Cortez does not count towards the 0-1 Inquisitor Lord limit per the DH Errata posted on the GW website, so take a lord, Cortez, and 3 elite inquisitors!

SatireSphere
20-01-2010, 23:30
Space Wolves have Logan and two units of 3 wolf guard terminators that comes in at 473, add upgrades as you will.

LonelyPath
21-01-2010, 00:09
You can only take 0-1 Greater Summoned Daemons with CSM.

You can still take 5 LRs without GKs. Cortez does not count towards the 0-1 Inquisitor Lord limit per the DH Errata posted on the GW website, so take a lord, Cortez, and 3 elite inquisitors!

Ah yes, I keep forgeting about Coteaz.

Grax
21-01-2010, 03:15
Oops! Oh well, then just shave some points off one or both the Daemon Princes and replace him with either a Chaos Dreadnought, Vindicator, Predator, or Defiler.

fwacho
21-01-2010, 04:37
my raven wing runs 31 models at 1500 points (and is competative)