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Xyrex
22-01-2010, 02:57
So im complaining bout the new nid codex, and apparently some people think that the SM codex is cheap. I was bout to ask, but the forum people closed the thread. :shifty: Anyways,

Why?

RampagingRavener
22-01-2010, 03:00
It isn't. It was attempting to point out the blatant hypocrisy of claiming Zoanthropes coming with a permanent 3+ Invulnerable Save is unfair, yet also attempting to justify a Terminator with a 3+ invulnerable save is completely okay.

You want to know how you kill Zoanthropes? Drown them in small arms fire. A 3+ invulnerable save is great for staving off Missile Launchers, Meltaguns, and Lascannons. But three Zoanthropes, when targeted by Bolters, Pulse Rifles, Shruiken Catapults, or whatever are no tougher than six Space Marines; both have six T4 wounds with a 3+ save.

lordmoon
22-01-2010, 03:04
isn't the codex more expensive.

Darnok
22-01-2010, 03:12
So im complaining bout the new nid codex, and apparently some people think that the SM codex is cheap. I was bout to ask, but the forum people closed the thread. :shifty: Anyways, why?

That other thread was closed for a reason. Starting a new one without a meaningful topic won't do you any good.

Try to bring your question up in proper English - I think I'm not the only one to be missing your point. If this ends up as just another cry of "cheese", this thread will get closed in no time as well...

Xyrex
22-01-2010, 03:14
no, im asking what the nid players have against the SM codex, not compaining

RampagingRavener
22-01-2010, 03:17
no, im asking what the nid players have against the SM codex, not compaining

Like I said. Most Tyranid players, I imagine, have nothing against the Space Marine codex. The example of Terminators with Storm Shields was raised to try and demonstrate it doesn't make an ounce of sense to complain about Zoanthropes having a 3+ invulnerable save when you have an extremely good unit that not only has a 3+ inv save, but a 2+ armour save.

primarch16
22-01-2010, 03:40
Nobody in the tyranid thread was complaining about the SM codex, it was you who were comparing in the first place. From what I read all of you're whines got beat down by intelligent arguements.

Xyrex
22-01-2010, 03:54
still dont see how the broodlord's hypnotize thing is fair...

Vepr
22-01-2010, 03:55
As Tyranid players we were having a perfectly good whine and cry fest with weeping of real tears and gnashing of teeth and SM players have to come and try to steal our thunder by complaining how over powered our new codex is. :cries: Can't you just let us wallow in our own misery a little before rubbing our noses in your cheap, ID wielding near unkillable troops. What is next SW players complaining about our codex and flaunting JotWW? ;) :p

lordmoon
22-01-2010, 03:59
oh cheer up, could always be worse. :). I think its time for a sit down and talk party.

Xyrex
22-01-2010, 04:05
ill say it's fair when my SM captain gets 10 S9 attacks, T6, and a load of psychic crap...

lordmoon
22-01-2010, 04:07
then bugs get landraiders and more importantly, the ability to ally with awesome sister units. though that makes any army more powerful.

Vepr
22-01-2010, 04:08
ill say it's fair when my SM captain gets 10 S9 attacks, T6, and a load of psychic crap...

Did you actually look at the cost of old one eye? I am actually glad he only has one eye because he probably would have topped 300 if he had both. :D

primarch16
22-01-2010, 04:09
ill say it's fair when my SM captain gets 10 S9 attacks, T6, and a load of psychic crap...

Why dont you just play Tyranids?

Xyrex
22-01-2010, 04:10
sisters are way too pricey ($ and points)


Why dont you just play Tyranids?

I like the look of marines, i just dont like how my 210 point captain gets massacred by a 140 point tyrant or whatnot

lordmoon
22-01-2010, 04:11
pricey only cause its the only way to hold them back.

Xyrex
22-01-2010, 04:12
not really, i dont see what they have that is so good half the gear is out of date

primarch16
22-01-2010, 04:20
I like the look of marines, i just dont like how my 210 point captain gets massacred by a 140 point tyrant or whatnot

Maybe its because they perform different rolls on the battlefield? Nobody can shoot you're captain, but the Hive tyrant is a massive creature, and unless you buy him guard he will die from heavy weapons. And then he gets more expensive.

Seriously you cant have everything from whatever new codex comes out.

lordmoon
22-01-2010, 04:21
well I could go on about the coolness of sisters, but I don't want to be held accountable for the thread being closed for going off topic. On topic- I don't see ether codex as being broke/cheap. or to put it another way, I don't see any codex as being cheap/ broke. bugs have to deal with meched up armies and guard throwing 8 or so pie plates a turn at them. the big bugs must be able to churn out 10 or so attacks in order to be affective.

TheSanityAssassin
22-01-2010, 04:24
This thread makes me hate the internet.

lordmoon
22-01-2010, 04:25
This thread makes me hate the internet.

Its me isnt it :cries:

Darnok
22-01-2010, 04:27
I like the look of marines, i just dont like how my 210 point captain gets massacred by a 140 point tyrant or whatnot

You could get your numbers right. :eyebrows:

A Tyrant won't hit the field for less then 170 points, its minimum cost. And I don't see a useful build for a 210 points captain either, so this whole comparison is bogus.

Seriously, I don't see a point in this thread at this stage. If this doesn't get from whining to anything like a meaningful discussion, I see closure in close proximity...

Vepr
22-01-2010, 04:28
Sometimes you just need to step back and laugh. :)

naloth
22-01-2010, 04:28
I like the look of marines, i just dont like how my 210 point captain gets massacred by a 140 point tyrant or whatnot

Did you get that backwards? You can't even get a tyrant for 140 and most will run well over 200. Most SM captains run ~150ish unless you top off with tons of gear. Worse if the Tyrant can't get in some lucky ID a well equipped SM captain can beat the Tyrant in CC largely due to a 3++. No (non-SC) tyrant ever gets an Invul.

Vepr
22-01-2010, 04:30
You could get your numbers right. :eyebrows:

A Tyrant won't hit the field for less then 170 points, its minimum cost. And I don't see a useful build for a 210 points captain either, so this whole comparison is bogus.

Seriously, I don't see a point in this thread at this stage. If this doesn't get from whining to anything like a meaningful discussion, I see closure in close proximity...

Do you have to give yourself a warning for posting point costs? :D

Just kidding... seriously... don't ban me.... ;) :p

Xyrex
22-01-2010, 04:36
sorry a 210 point captain vs a 170 pt. tyrant.

Vepr
22-01-2010, 04:40
How are you building this captain exactly? Are we counting spinners and ground effects on the rhino and a 2 karat earring or something? ;)

lordmoon
22-01-2010, 04:47
are dark angel captains more expensive?

azimaith
22-01-2010, 04:49
A Storm shield Relic blade captain for 145 points should comes with a solid chance of matching a tyrant 25 points more expensive. This of course doesn't include the shooting the tyrant endures on the way that the captain can avoid in 10 cheap ablative wounds.

Xyrex
22-01-2010, 04:49
grenade launcher
artificer armor
hellfire
combi melta
melta bombs
digital lasers
relic blade
plasma pistol

Vepr
22-01-2010, 04:51
grenade launcher
artificer armor
hellfire
combi melta
melta bombs
digital lasers
relic blade
plasma pistol

:eyebrows: ....

Griffindale
22-01-2010, 04:57
Well, I will agree that I hate fighting stormshield terminators now. 2+/3+ is so cheap. There is just no good way to kill them.

Xyrex
22-01-2010, 04:59
librarians with null zone xD

lordmoon
22-01-2010, 04:59
just remind them of the coolness of the sisters, they will drop dead with envy.

Xyrex
22-01-2010, 05:00
yeah, sure... sisters win all round

lordmoon
22-01-2010, 05:06
yes, yes they do.

primarch16
22-01-2010, 05:08
grenade launcher
artificer armor
hellfire
combi melta
melta bombs
digital lasers
relic blade
plasma pistol

Troll detected.

EmperorEternalXIX
22-01-2010, 05:11
People talking about Zoanthropes and how you kill them with mass small arms fire, while in the same breath denouncing the SMs as invincible, make me laugh.

For the entire time I've been playing this game people make it out like a roll of 3+ is pretty much a given that it will help you survive anything. I say hit those guys with about 30 wounds or so from multiple small arms sources and watch the 2's roll.

The 3+, be it invul or otherwise, is not so infallible.

I don't mind the 3+ invul, I think it needs to be more prominent, honestly. It makes small arms spamming more worthwhile. I am tired of Special-and-heavy-weapon hammer myself, and I loathe how the units that carry these specialists often are just thought of as a meatshield for the "important" guys. I also have always hated how a unit full of weaponry will not bother to fire when the anti-tank weapon fires, often for the simple fact that people don't expect it to do anything.

I still don't think the Tyranids have anything to complain about. THSS Terminators fear the Swarmlord, and nothing but the Swarmlord.

t-tauri
22-01-2010, 05:12
Thread closed. Duplicates existing discussion and reopens a closed thread.