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Przemcio251
02-02-2010, 06:26
Hi i made 2 army list's for 2350 pts. to play at local turnament i wounder which one is more competetive the one with Lord who should be able to deal with greater demon's and dragons or a mage...

Warriors of Chaos Army

1 Chaos Lord of Khorne @ 375.0 Pts
Mark of Khorne; Frenzy; General; Chaos Armour
Axe of Khorne
Chaos Runeshield
Favour of the Gods

1 Juggernaut of Khorne @ [0.0] Pts

1 Chaos Sorcerer of Tzeentch @ 210.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Magic Level 2; Chaos Armour
Golden Eye of Tzeentch
Book of Secrets

1 Disc of Tzeentch @ [0.0] Pts

1 Chaos Sorcerer of Tzeentch @ 190.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Magic Level 2; Chaos Armour
Dispel Scroll
Dispel Scroll

1 Chaos Sorcerer of Tzeentch @ 165.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Magic Level 2; Chaos Armour
Power Familiar

14 Chaos Marauders of Slaanesh @ 66.0 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh

12 Chaos Warriors of Nurgle @ 234.0 Pts
Mark of Nurgle; Option Qualifier; Chaos Armour; Shield; Standard

12 Chaos Warriors of Khorne @ 234.0 Pts
Mark of Khorne; Frenzy; Option Qualifier; Chaos Armour; Shield; Standard

4 Dragon Ogres @ 308.0 Pts
Great Weapon; Light Armour

5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30.0 Pts

5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30.0 Pts

5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30.0 Pts

5 Chaos Knights of Nurgle @ 250.0 Pts
Mark of Nurgle; Barding; Ensorcelled Weapons; Chaos Armour; Shield;
Standard

5 Barded Chaos Steed @ [0.0] Pts

5 Chaos Knights of Khorne @ 230.0 Pts
Mark of Khorne; Frenzy; Barding; Ensorcelled Weapons; Chaos Armour; Shield

5 Barded Chaos Steed @ [0.0] Pts

Casting Pool: 10

Dispel Pool: 5

Models in Army: 71


Total Army Cost: 2352.0

Or this one...

1 Sorcerer Lord of Tzeentch @ 365.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; General; Magic Level 3; Chaos Armour
Chaos Runesword
Enchanted Shield
Golden Eye of Tzeentch

1 Disc of Tzeentch @ [0.0] Pts

1 Chaos Sorcerer of Tzeentch @ 190.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Magic Level 2; Chaos Armour
Dispel Scroll
Power Familiar

1 Chaos Sorcerer of Tzeentch @ 165.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Magic Level 2; Chaos Armour
Book of Secrets

1 Exalted Hero of Khorne @ 255.0 Pts
Mark of Khorne; Frenzy; Chaos Armour; Shield; Battle Standard
Axe of Khorne
Favour of the Gods

1 Juggernaut of Khorne @ [0.0] Pts

10 Chaos Marauders of Slaanesh @ 50.0 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh

12 Chaos Warriors of Nurgle @ 234.0 Pts
Mark of Nurgle; Option Qualifier; Chaos Armour; Shield; Standard

12 Chaos Warriors of Khorne @ 234.0 Pts
Mark of Khorne; Frenzy; Option Qualifier; Chaos Armour; Shield; Standard

4 Dragon Ogres @ 308.0 Pts
Great Weapon; Light Armour

5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30.0 Pts

5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30.0 Pts

5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30.0 Pts

5 Chaos Knights of Khorne @ 230.0 Pts
Mark of Khorne; Frenzy; Barding; Ensorcelled Weapons; Chaos Armour; Shield

5 Barded Chaos Steed @ [0.0] Pts

5 Chaos Knights of Nurgle @ 230.0 Pts
Mark of Nurgle; Barding; Ensorcelled Weapons; Chaos Armour; Shield

5 Barded Chaos Steed @ [0.0] Pts

Casting Pool: 11

Dispel Pool: 6

Models in Army: 67


Total Army Cost: 2351.0

zanzibar
02-02-2010, 09:44
I prefer the first list, if it means having to choose between the two with no changes=)

Przemcio251
02-02-2010, 10:55
You mean the one with Khorne Lord with Axe:) and what would you change in it???:)

Lord Khabal
02-02-2010, 11:00
Why would a greater deamon or dragon charge your chaos lord? You move at 4. They fly! At most it would charge its unit on the flank or rear, far away from him!

So the best choice is (by far) the magelord, which coincidentally is the best WOC lord choice. WOC NEEDS magic

BigbyWolf
02-02-2010, 12:00
So the best choice is (by far) the magelord, which coincidentally is the best WOC lord choice. WOC NEEDS magic

Not all the time- I run a combat lord (on a dragon or with knights) and caddy, and have been doing quite well.

Przemcio251
02-02-2010, 14:03
My lord rides on a juggernaut of khorne so he has 7" move:)

zanzibar
02-02-2010, 23:01
Khabal i think 3 sorcerers is quite reasonable, unless PRZ wants 4 mage characters and no combat orientated characters, i leave that decision to him. However my personal opinion is that 3 level 2s are enough at 2350 pts. I love the spamming of Mark of tzeentch, a personal favourite for my sorcerers=)

If i could make slight changes to the list perhaps i would lose a dragon ogre (making it a unit of 3) and add some more warriors (making the nurgle Warrior units increase to 14 each) but its hard to make any dramatic changes when i really like this list to begin with. Maybe lose the standards on the chaos knight units and add musicians, this will give extra 10 points for some maruaders.
Overall very small changes and good luck with this list!

One question, what do you mean by Option qualifier? under your nurgle warrior units, this may be a silly question but i havent seen that term b4.

PS: A side note, chaos sorcerers are some of the most efficient hero level characters in the game so fill you hero slots with the blighters. 85 points for a mage with the stats of an empire captain with full plate?

Dark Fire
03-02-2010, 00:22
Option Qualifier means he has army builder and is copy 'n' pasting the list.

Don't post individual points costs for items on characters etc. - violates copyright and GW 'do not like it' :D.

List it like this, easier to read, and doesn't violate forum rules ;):

Chaos Lord: w/ Chaos Runeshield, Axe of Khorne, Favour of the Gods (375)
on/ Juggernaut

I'll come back to the lists later.

PS: In fact, the sticky regarding posting AB lists is at the top of the page when you open of the WHF Army lists.

Przemcio251
03-02-2010, 06:41
Thanks for the insight:) well dropping standart berers from knights might be a good idea... I made coupple of mistakes in my secound list as the Sorcerer Lord should be Lvl 4 not 3:) i don't have acces to army builder right now but i will make some changes. As for Dragon Ogres would a unit of 4 be more efficient? i really like their S7:)

Dark Fire i made changes not to violate the board rules i hope now it is ok?:)

Also i plan to run my Warriors in 2 ranks of 6 and both foot sorcerers in different units. Without the standarts i might be able to build up my marauder block and arm them with flails:) Lord on the Juggernaut will go to the khorne knights... Also a question what is the legal base size for sorcerer on disc???:)

Przemcio251
03-02-2010, 18:21
Warriors of Chaos Army

1 Chaos Lord of Khorne @ 375.0 Pts
Mark of Khorne; Frenzy; General; Chaos Armour
Axe of Khorne
Chaos Runeshield
Favour of the Gods

1 Juggernaut of Khorne @ [0.0] Pts

1 Chaos Sorcerer of Tzeentch @ 210.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Magic Level 2; Chaos Armour
Golden Eye of Tzeentch
Book of Secrets

1 Disc of Tzeentch @ [0.0] Pts

1 Chaos Sorcerer of Tzeentch @ 190.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Magic Level 2; Chaos Armour
Dispel Scroll
Power Familiar

1 Chaos Sorcerer of Tzeentch @ 175.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Magic Level 2; Chaos Armour
Infernal Puppet

12 Chaos Warriors of Khorne @ 222.0 Pts
Mark of Khorne; Frenzy; Chaos Armour; Shield

12 Chaos Warriors of Nurgle @ 222.0 Pts
Mark of Nurgle; Chaos Armour; Shield

18 Chaos Marauders of Slaanesh @ 100.0 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh; Flail

5 Chaos Knights of Nurgle @ 230.0 Pts
Mark of Nurgle; Barding; Ensorcelled Weapons; Chaos Armour; Shield

5 Barded Chaos Steed @ [0.0] Pts

5 Chaos Knights of Khorne @ 230.0 Pts
Mark of Khorne; Frenzy; Barding; Ensorcelled Weapons; Chaos Armour; Shield

5 Barded Chaos Steed @ [0.0] Pts

4 Dragon Ogres @ 308.0 Pts
Great Weapon; Light Armour

5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30.0 Pts

5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30.0 Pts

5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30.0 Pts

Casting Pool: 10

Dispel Pool: 5

Models in Army: 75


Total Army Cost: 2352.0

Well i thrown away all standarts as they are inded not needed... im still thinking about infernal pupet... i could add a dispel scroll and 2 flail marauders instead of it... Lord moves with Khorne Knights, Dogs acts as screen and i need to figure out where to keep my 2 mage's as the one on discs runs alone:) either throw in one to Marauders and one to Nurgle Warriors or both to Marauders...

Przemcio251
03-02-2010, 18:29
And here is a revised Mage Lord List:)

Warriors of Chaos Army

1 Sorcerer Lord of Tzeentch @ 400.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; General; Magic Level 4; Chaos Armour
Chaos Runesword
Enchanted Shield
Golden Eye of Tzeentch

1 Disc of Tzeentch @ [0.0] Pts

1 Chaos Sorcerer of Tzeentch @ 190.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Magic Level 2; Chaos Armour
Dispel Scroll
Book of Secrets

1 Chaos Sorcerer of Tzeentch @ 190.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Magic Level 2; Chaos Armour
Dispel Scroll
Power Familiar

1 Exalted Hero of Khorne @ 230.0 Pts
Mark of Khorne; Frenzy; Chaos Armour; Shield
Axe of Khorne
Favour of the Gods

1 Juggernaut of Khorne @ [0.0] Pts

12 Chaos Warriors of Khorne @ 222.0 Pts
Mark of Khorne; Frenzy; Option Qualifier; Chaos Armour; Shield

12 Chaos Warriors of Nurgle @ 222.0 Pts
Mark of Nurgle; Option Qualifier; Chaos Armour; Shield

21 Chaos Marauders of Slaanesh @ 110.0 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh; Flail

5 Chaos Knights of Khorne @ 230.0 Pts
Mark of Khorne; Frenzy; Barding; Ensorcelled Weapons; Chaos Armour; Shield

5 Barded Chaos Steed @ [0.0] Pts

5 Chaos Knights of Nurgle @ 230.0 Pts
Mark of Nurgle; Barding; Ensorcelled Weapons; Chaos Armour; Shield

5 Barded Chaos Steed @ [0.0] Pts

3 Dragon Ogres @ 231.0 Pts
Great Weapon; Light Armour

5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30.0 Pts

5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30.0 Pts

5 Chaos Warhounds @ 30.0 Pts

Casting Pool: 12

Dispel Pool: 6

Models in Army: 76


Total Army Cost: 2350.0

zanzibar
03-02-2010, 22:39
Also if you have over 20 marauders just give them a mark of tzeentch for a 6+ ward save, which is cheaper than light armour for big groups=) Unless you have a specific idea for the unit with mark of slaanesh. Also give the chaos magelord a rending sword so he can re roll any failed to wound rolls (including spells!) look it up its perfectly legal. The 2nd list is now what i prefer, by dropping the runesword (and getting rending) u get an extra 20 pts. some more tweaking and u have got ur infernal puppet.

zanzibar
03-02-2010, 22:42
I personally have had considerable success with no lord level characters in 2000-2500 pt games. Usually chaos sorcerers are good enough en mass and an exalted hero can take on most lord level characters of other races. (unless they ride a zombie dragon!) Paying the extra 100+points for an additional wound could just buy me another chaos sorcerer.
Sorry for the double post=)

Przemcio251
04-02-2010, 06:19
Thanks for the insight... the stuff with rending sword sounds great!:) The marauders are there becouse i need a core unit and i thought they will be able to do some damage... Also this khorne lord is nice becouse he renders all enemy magic weapons useless in BtB contact:) Also a question can i mount Tzeench sorcerer lord/disc on a 40x40 base as it is supplied with 50x50:)

zanzibar
04-02-2010, 09:08
About the bases, Dont think thats legal=)

Przemcio251
04-02-2010, 09:43
ohhh ok some one told me this is legal...:) but well that makes things easier:)

zanzibar
05-02-2010, 02:39
Maybe it is im not 100% sure, perhaps ask a staff member next time u see 1?

Przemcio251
05-02-2010, 06:03
staff member???