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captain krak
28-02-2010, 19:57
I'm just getting into LOTRSBG and am having trouble figuring out where all the stats for the various forces are located. I read the sticky in this forum, but there are still some I can't find. Maybe I'm thick on this one, but where are the stats for, say, some of the Minas Morgul warriors like Spectres, Black Numenorian Warriors, and Morgul Knights?

thanks,

-Leland

Baggers
01-03-2010, 19:34
The Morgul Knights rules were in Gondor in Flames, I think. It's been a while and thats a question that is pushing my knowledge so I may be wrong.

Spiney Norman
01-03-2010, 22:18
I'm just getting into LOTRSBG and am having trouble figuring out where all the stats for the various forces are located. I read the sticky in this forum, but there are still some I can't find. Maybe I'm thick on this one, but where are the stats for, say, some of the Minas Morgul warriors like Spectres, Black Numenorian Warriors, and Morgul Knights?

thanks,

-Leland

Spectres are in the Two Towers journey book, I think Black Numenoreans and Morgul Knights can be found in the Mordor book, but I can't be certain as I don't own it. I am fairly certain that they are not in the Gondor in Flames book (which as I recall, is only Gondor units).

lorelorn
02-03-2010, 12:34
Spectres are in the Two Towers journey book, I think Black Numenoreans and Morgul Knights can be found in the Mordor book,

They are.

Also, you can find the stats and special rules here: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=5700005&_requestid=2029460

Whitwort Stormbringer
02-03-2010, 22:54
They are.

Also, you can find the stats and special rules here: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=5700005&_requestid=2029460

What a great resource! Somehow I'd overlooked it for all these years.

Too bad it's not quite up to date, though. It would be nice to have the same reference for the mordor sourcebook and the new stuff released since WotR. Oh well, can't complain too much!

Glucksbar
04-03-2010, 19:39
So, if I get this right. I use the stats from the pdf-files found at GWs Website. And I get the pointcosts out of Legions of Middleearth? Right? For all the models?

Whitwort Stormbringer
05-03-2010, 06:31
So, if I get this right. I use the stats from the pdf-files found at GWs Website. And I get the pointcosts out of Legions of Middleearth? Right? For all the models?
For a lot of them. It looks like they stopped updating it though, and Legions of Middle Earth doesn't contain any of the newer stuff (obviously), so at least for new stuff you'll need the books.

Glucksbar
05-03-2010, 07:19
And those are?
How to get the profiles fpr the really new stuff, that was simply in WD?
I know, those questions are annoying, but the cryptic answers of "in the newer books" don't help me much, since I don't know which books are old or new. Sorry.
I'm just trying to get a clear view on LotR before I start putting money into it.

lorelorn
05-03-2010, 08:08
Legions of Middle Earth contains correct points values for most lists. However anything covered in the Fall of the Necromancer, Harad, and Mordor books (all released since) may have been changed. The Far Harad list, for example, changed a lot.

This means that all stats on the GW website are correct, however the points values in Legions sometimes aren't.

Glucksbar
05-03-2010, 16:37
Ok, then just some simple Questions.
I want to play Rohan and Isengart. Which books do I need? I already have the Mines of Moria Rules Book. And I plan on playing both, SBG and WotR. Any help is appreciated and would just be great.
And first I want to start with Rohan and add a couple of heros. But most of all, because I like the models so much.

But then again, I need that Balrog... and Ents... and the new plastic Wraith on Felbeast...hmmm. I'm screwed.
But ok, Rohan is for sure. So, please, can anyone be so kind and tell me which books I need?

Whitwort Stormbringer
05-03-2010, 17:27
Haha, hey, sorry for the non-answer answers. I don't actually own Legions of Middle Earth, since I already had all the books it covered up to that point, so I don't know for sure what it does and doesn't cover. Thanks for covering me, Lorelorn.

For Rohan and Isengard, you'll want The Two Towers journeybook for some hero and specialist troop profiles, and other than that I think you'll be fine with Mines of Moria.

To play WotR, you'll need the WotR rulebook, and for SBG I would recommend getting the hardback rulebook as well, since (afaik) it contains several profiles that Mines of Moria doesn't have, and more in-depth rules.

Glucksbar
05-03-2010, 18:53
Sounds good, since I planned on getting the Journeybooks anyway :)
Thanks so far, that was really helpful.

lorelorn
05-03-2010, 21:47
For the SBG:
Mines of Moria or large rulebook
Two Towers Journeybook
Legions of Middle Earth

For WotR:
War of the Ring rulebook

Midloo
08-03-2010, 15:40
To play WotR, you'll need the WotR rulebook, and for SBG I would recommend getting the hardback rulebook as well, since (afaik) it contains several profiles that Mines of Moria doesn't have, and more in-depth rules.

Actually I don't remember the MoM and OR hardcover books being any different in the rules. There is additional hobby material and scenarios as I recall, but the rules themselves were the same. And again, as I recall, the MoM book actually had additional troop profiles that forced GW to create a FAQ for some Army of the Dead models.

Whitwort Stormbringer
08-03-2010, 20:28
Actually I don't remember the MoM and OR hardcover books being any different in the rules. There is additional hobby material and scenarios as I recall, but the rules themselves were the same. And again, as I recall, the MoM book actually had additional troop profiles that forced GW to create a FAQ for some Army of the Dead models.

Maybe the MoM rulebook was complete, as far as game rules go. I couldn't say for sure, to be honest.

MoM definitely did have some profiles that the ORB didn't have, like armies of the dead. They also had a generic elf profile, apparently, rather than separate noldor/sindar profiles.