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Plague.Monk
05-03-2010, 02:38
So reading deeper and deeper into the vast fluff of the CSM, I came up with a couple options for army themes, and want a couple second opinions before I start painting/collecting! Here they are:

Word Bearers - Worship the entire Pantheon, very daemon heavy, gruesome fluff, Abaddon fits into the fluff. Crimson and Gunmetal. Favorite Symbol.

Iron Warriors - Pantheon, chop off daemon mutations to replace or fuse with technology, big bad siege tactic. Black and Gold, favorite color combo (My guitar is black and gold too!)

Night Lords - Doesn't use daemons, terror tactics, darkness themed, very distinctive look. Dark Blue with Red and cool bat wings.

Death Guard - Nurgle, death and decay theme, plague marines!, assorted rotting browns and greens. Has another similar army called Lords of Decay (favorite name).

Lord of Worms
05-03-2010, 02:45
I personally don`t like the death guard much; too many people play them. I`m also not a huge fan of the night lords because of their primarch being an emo version of batman. Iron Warriors and Word Bearers are pretty neat though. They both have enough mention in BL books to really flesh out a nicely themed army.

Death Guard`s popularity can work to your advantage, however. There are plently of cool models available from Forge World, and as such are the most viable Cult-Legion to play under the current rules-set. They also have lots of scratch-building and conversion opportunities with plenty of tutorials.

You can get away with using Berzerkers in either IW or WB without breaking fluff or theme.

williamhm
05-03-2010, 02:47
I voted night lords because my first two choices were not on there Alpha legion or Emperor's children. To me those are the two greatest chaos legions of all time especially after reading Fulgrim and Legion.

vega528
05-03-2010, 02:48
I would say Iron warriors for two reasons. One, mech chaos works very well in games. More importantly, you say that is your favorite color combo, so that will be an immense help in not getting bored painting the army.

Plague.Monk
05-03-2010, 02:49
I was considering the Black Legion but they seem kind of like the. . . generic Chaos army to me. Correct me if I'm wrong though I'm not very deep in their fluff.

wazatdingder
05-03-2010, 02:50
I vote Word Bearers.
Demons are totally under rated for CSM, Statwise, their Marines minus 3+.
Charge when summoned, Don't use slot.
Think turbo-boosting bikers with icon.
Use fantasy line for cheat demons. (Their minor after all, no need to blow bucks on dedicated.)

Samus_aran115
05-03-2010, 02:55
I don't like any of these, except maybe the world bearers. I like general chaos, so the black legion is my favorite. Not to mention abaddon is the "leader" of every distinct legion (the original 9), and he's black legion. The paint scheme is relatively simple too.

Samus_aran115
05-03-2010, 02:59
I was considering the Black Legion but they seem kind of like the. . . generic Chaos army to me. Correct me if I'm wrong though I'm not very deep in their fluff.

They are kinda generic, but they can use elements of other chaos armies under their colors, which is cool. The black legion used to be the alpha legion, which was one of the greatest chapters before the horus heresy, then they became the sons of horus after the HH, and now they're the black legion, led by abaddon the despoiler, who is quite possibly the heir of horus himself, making him my favorite character in the entire 40k universe. omg.....omg...omg. Abaddon

Project2501
05-03-2010, 03:05
Word Bearers hands down. I have always loved everything about them, the fluff, the colors, etc.. If you're going to go chaos, there isn't any other legion that's more chaosy than them.


From what you've said, it also sounds like you've gotten your hands on the 3.5 CSM dex?

Plague.Monk
05-03-2010, 03:12
Word Bearers hands down. I have always loved everything about them, the fluff, the colors, etc.. If you're going to go chaos, there isn't any other legion that's more chaosy than them.


From what you've said, it also sounds like you've gotten your hands on the 3.5 CSM dex?

Lexicanum and Wiki codeci haha.

Also, as for the obliterators, would IW use them? They still have mutations, though they can morph weaponry IW would enjoy. I also looked at some IW pictures, and the gunmetal body with the black gold is cool looking, giving it a pretty distinct look. Black Legion seems to be the all Black and Gold ones.

I would have picked Alpha Legion, I actually love their logo and their fluff, but the colors just aren't for me. I was just more "spoken to" by the WB and IW fluff, the NL look, and the theme behind DG (look at my name lol).

Project2501
05-03-2010, 03:16
IW and obliterators have a special bond and as such IW can take up to 9 of them if my memory of the old dex is correct. So, yes, off all the legions oblits and IW go together like WB and demons.

Plague.Monk
05-03-2010, 03:18
how do the Warsmiths work by the way? I know Princes are a great HQ choice, but from what I understand IW wouldn't really have one. . . could be wrong though.

Samus_aran115
05-03-2010, 03:23
IW and obliterators have a special bond and as such IW can take up to 9 of them if my memory of the old dex is correct. So, yes, off all the legions oblits and IW go together like WB and demons.

every army can take 9 oblits. It'll cost 300 points, if each is 75 points. I was thinking about doing this..

Samus_aran115
05-03-2010, 03:24
how do the Warsmiths work by the way? I know Princes are a great HQ choice, but from what I understand IW wouldn't really have one. . . could be wrong though.

It's just a chaos lord. Works just like it, except probably some fluff for iron warriors.

Project2501
05-03-2010, 03:25
IWs can/do have DPs. The warsmith is basically a techmarine if memory serves. It's been too long since I've had the old codex :(

Do yourself a favor and eBay yourself a copy of the 3.5 CSM dex to get proper ways to model build a legion. It's got them all.

Absolutionis
05-03-2010, 05:34
Night Lords do have Daemons in their ranks in the form of Furies.

enigma-96
05-03-2010, 06:25
Obviously choose whatever appeals to you but personally I would choose Night Lords.
Cool models
Great color scheme
More unique than the other 3
Least Played Legion and thus attracts more praise and crowd attention

Death Guard are really hated by many people since many consider the Plague marines too be WAY OP.

Iron Guard are super common among chaos players and thus makes your army less unique, also their are quite a few who are annoyed by Iron Warriors since IW players are easily the most bitchy about the new chaos codex.

Word Bearers are also really popular due to their inclusion in Dawn of War and other mainstream fluff, thus your army becomes less unique.

Only option is too go Night Lords.... Or Alpha Legion but AL is actually impossible, or not very fluffy, in the new codex while night lords is very doable.

*edit own the old chaos codex and damn is it a glorious read. Also yeah warsmiths are essentially evil tech marines who've gone that extra mile and become chaos lords, I.E. they aren't like a normal techmarine or chaos sorceror who is second in command to the leader but are leaders in their own right who also happen to have a lot of support abilities, Fluff wise that is (In the old dex I believe the only difference was that you could buy a servo arm for them.)

Lanparth
05-03-2010, 08:08
Praise be the Word Bearers and their Dark Apostles. The most dedicated followers of the Gods, truly the most fanatical, and first Legion to fall under sway of the Dark Gods!

This! This is to be your Legion. The Word of Lorgar is your shield, and it is your spear. Praise the Chaos Gods. May they speak clearly to you, and bring you glory.

Plague.Monk
05-03-2010, 08:10
Praise be the Word Bearers and their Dark Apostles. The most dedicated followers of the Gods, truly the most fanatical, and first Legion to fall under sway of the Dark Gods!

This! This is to be your Legion. The Word of Lorgar is your shield, and it is your spear. Praise the Chaos Gods. May they speak clearly to you, and bring you glory.

Lorgar is simply a monster, and he looks awesome too. I'm still totally torn though, I don't care for the Word Bearers color scheme much, but again I haven't seen a model painted in their scheme.

Prokrustes
05-03-2010, 08:13
Voted for IW. You really seem to like them and everybody I encounter who doesnt play BL seems to play either Word Bearers or Nightlords..so go for IW and read "Storm of Iron".

"Iron within, Iron without!"

Plague.Monk
05-03-2010, 08:23
Voted for IW. You really seem to like them and everybody I encounter who doesnt play BL seems to play either Word Bearers or Nightlords..so go for IW and read "Storm of Iron".

"Iron within, Iron without!"

I had it in my hand today at Barnes n Noble, is it good? It was that, Soul Hunter, or The Word Bearer ones. . . doesn't seem to be a lot of Chaos novels, or maybe its just their selection.

herald of kairos
05-03-2010, 08:27
Where the alpha legion a well.
iron warriors are probably the most fun chaos marine army to convert and mess around with as well as some of their backgrounds amazing as stated already read storm of iron kicka*s book. also word bearers re pretty cool also original chaos marine loads of daemons thats a nice army especially with some possessed thrown in for random wackyness honestly i dont care what people say about them there a must for any chaos player espciellally word bearers

Plague.Monk
05-03-2010, 08:29
Found some cool photos:

http://i.pbase.com/u40/badaab/large/39386761.IronWarriors01WIP.jpg

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs44/f/2009/112/0/d/Word_Bearers_Squad_Zeus_by_Civik.jpg

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1870141_Matt%27sNight_LordsXL

I won't lie, that NL set up looks good, I like the white helm with the chaos star

Important
05-03-2010, 08:37
They are kinda generic, but they can use elements of other chaos armies under their colors, which is cool. The black legion used to be the alpha legion, which was one of the greatest chapters before the horus heresy, then they became the sons of horus after the HH, and now they're the black legion, led by abaddon the despoiler, who is quite possibly the heir of horus himself, making him my favorite character in the entire 40k universe. omg.....omg...omg. Abaddon

Abbadon ey?

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll171/betabetet/abbadon.jpg

Lord of Worms
05-03-2010, 09:29
The two people I know that play Night Lords use the vanilla marines codex. As far as NL are concerned, there's nothing the CSM codex can do, that the SM codex can't do better. A lot better.

primarch16
05-03-2010, 09:38
Word bearers, look very cool and have nice background. They were the first true chaos marines after all.

laudarkul
05-03-2010, 11:46
Iron Warrior for the idea of the dark mech CSM. as well as for "Storm of Iron", one ob the best ever BL books.
Death Guard for their immense support from FW as well as the fact that they are quite competitive.
But for a striking impression the Night Lords are perfect. True masters of terror from the dark.

bossfearless
05-03-2010, 12:14
How is it that Emperor's Children isn't on that list? Seriously though, from the list you gave I'd go with the bitter sons of Perturabo hands down. Iron within. Iron without.

bossfearless
05-03-2010, 12:21
I had it in my hand today at Barnes n Noble, is it good? It was that, Soul Hunter, or The Word Bearer ones. . . doesn't seem to be a lot of Chaos novels, or maybe its just their selection.

I'm halfway through the book and it's a damn sight better than most of the Horus Heresy series that I've read. The characters are very well written, and not just standard GW archetypes. Also, Forrix is a complete badass.

Chem-Dog
05-03-2010, 12:41
If you're asking for personal Opinion, I'd say go for Plague Marines (because of the wealth of conversion options and incredibly fun painting) and the Nurgle support from Forgeworld is outstanding but there are lots of Nurgle armies out there.

If you want to be different, Night Lords are probably the least mentioned Legion (that I've seen) on these boards but fluffwise they're one of the more interesting, their Primarch arguably did more damage to Rogal Dorn than any other. And armour covered in Lightning is undeniably metal :chrome:

Read Storm of Iron and try not to build an Iron Warriors army, not the best represented by the current 'Dex as the best "artillery" you can bring is a Defiler or a Vindicator and you still only have room for three. Still, I'm a fan of the whole Daemon/Machine schtick so these guys could be fun.
My personal concept for these guys was a specialist formation dedicated to capturing Tyranids (read Storm of Iron to see why ;))

Finally the Wordbearers... Kinda like the Chaos Untramarines, posterboys of the CSM's and the perennial villains. Daemons aren't too well represented in the 'Dex so consider avoiding including them unless you want to collect a Chaos Daemons army alongside the CSM army.

MadHatter
05-03-2010, 13:07
of your choices I like the Night Lords. I am a fan of the fluff for them.

Johnnyfrej
05-03-2010, 17:23
Night Lords. Just wait till the new Blood Angels codex comes out so you can have jump infantry troops.

Sygerrik
05-03-2010, 17:43
They are kinda generic, but they can use elements of other chaos armies under their colors, which is cool. The black legion used to be the alpha legion, which was one of the greatest chapters before the horus heresy, then they became the sons of horus after the HH, and now they're the black legion, led by abaddon the despoiler, who is quite possibly the heir of horus himself, making him my favorite character in the entire 40k universe. omg.....omg...omg. Abaddon

Small thing: They were the Luna Wolves until just before the Heresy, then renamed the Sons of Horus right before the Heresy broke out, then renamed the Black Legion after the end of the Heresy (Chaos marines, and especially Abaddon, hate Horus for failing). Alpha Legion is a separate chapter altogether.

I vote Night Lords. A guy at my store runs an all-Night Lords CSM list and it's very competitive. He's gotten really good at painting lightning bolts on everything, even his tape measure.

Agnar the Howler
05-03-2010, 17:50
IW for two reasons, the first being that World Eaters isn't up there, and the second being because it's one of my favourite legions (I even made a custom codex for it, it's floating around the Rules Development forum somewhere... I need to get back to updating it soon) and I like their general style of "Shell them, take over their fortress, re-build, turtle, rinse-repeat", it's kinda like a single-finger salute to the Imperium, that and one of my favourite quotes from something fits perfectly. "All your base are belong to us!"

Plague.Monk
05-03-2010, 17:54
IW for two reasons, the first being that World Eaters isn't up there, and the second being because it's one of my favourite legions (I even made a custom codex for it, it's floating around the Rules Development forum somewhere... I need to get back to updating it soon) and I like their general style of "Shell them, take over their fortress, re-build, turtle, rinse-repeat", it's kinda like a single-finger salute to the Imperium, that and one of my favourite quotes from something fits perfectly. "All your base are belong to us!"

I was going to do World Eaters, but didn't know how much I wanted a mono-god themed Army. . . Death Guard are the exception.

Kurgash
05-03-2010, 18:09
As I've learned with my World Eaters is that overall you lack the long range fire power if you go the fluff route as compared to some of the other selections available. Still, when you hit the enemy for hand to hand you will definitely wear a big grin as combat after combat resolves in surely your favor.

Static Entropy
05-03-2010, 19:22
If you're asking for personal Opinion, I'd say go for Plague Marines (because of the wealth of conversion options and incredibly fun painting) and the Nurgle support from Forgeworld is outstanding but there are lots of Nurgle armies out there.

If you want to be different, Night Lords are probably the least mentioned Legion (that I've seen) on these boards but fluffwise they're one of the more interesting, their Primarch arguably did more damage to Rogal Dorn than any other. And armour covered in Lightning is undeniably metal :chrome:

Finally the Wordbearers... Kinda like the Chaos Untramarines, posterboys of the CSM's and the perennial villains. Daemons aren't too well represented in the 'Dex so consider avoiding including them unless you want to collect a Chaos Daemons army alongside the CSM army.

I'm pretty sure the Black Legion is the "Ultramarines" of Chaos. They're the biggest faction, they launch the Black Crusades, they don't have any unusual restrictions or bonuses, and they're the most numerous and powerful of the Chaos Legions, plus, they have Abaddon.

To the OP: As a Word Bearer player myself, I might urge you away from them, for a couple reasons:
1. Red is hard to paint well--expect your miniatures to take a loooong time.
2. We have restricted selections from the codex--i.e. most players don't take any icons other than Chaos Glory, and we don't usually take cult troops (except for maybe Bezerkers, if you like Anthony Reynold's idea of the Word Bearers--personally, I thought Dark Creed made them look like a bunch of retards, so I'm pretty much choosing to ignore it).
3. Fluffwise, we rely heavily upon summoned daemons. These units are useful in our current codex, but not exemplarary, and bringing a large contingent at lower points games can really hurt you against some armies.

However, if that doesn't turn you away, there are some really good things about the Word Bearers:
1. They look frickin' sweet. You can go either for a really dark, muddy red (and they'll look awesome) or you can go for a lighter tone (and they'll still look awesome).
2. They're one of the most zealous legions. Not only did they start the whole CSM ball rolling, but they continue to organize their lives and their wars around the worship of Chaos.
3. They have a (fairly) distinct playstyle. Bringing large numbers of summoned daemons in from reserves means that your opponent will not know where to concentrate his forces, because any of your CSM squads could suddenly expand into half of your army.
4. Word Bearers have books made out of Ultramarines. Yes.