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rocdocta
17-03-2010, 03:24
Next week i am trialling my vampire count challenge list. The challenge is to create a list with zero upgrades. no champs, standards, magic items, mounts. nothing. I dont know how i will go, but by doing this, i have added another 750 points worth of models to the army.

So who else has tried a true horde list with their army. quantity over quality.
in 2250 points I am talking about:

2 thralls
2 wightlords
23 dire wolves
75 ghouls
22 grave guard
19 black knights
4 blood knights
1 vargulf

how many models could you get in a serious army (no, not an army of gnoblars (unless you actually run it)). But if you ran an empire army with zero upgrades, what could you bring to the table? How much less effective would it be compared to an upgraded list?

cheers

spiv

outbreak
17-03-2010, 05:06
how about skaven?

992 slaves and 1 warlock engineer general at 2k points?

For seriousness lessen the amount and add in a decent leadership general.

ZigZagMan
17-03-2010, 05:18
Oh yes Skaven do it extremely well. its kinda a type of point denial. Feed the other army slaves, and rat swarms until they are in a bad position, then flank them with more crap units, at some point they will flub thier rolls and then you eat thier unit.

Cartoon
17-03-2010, 05:44
Anyone try a marauder horde with WoC? I've been kinda tempted to see how tons of marauders/m.horsemen and some chariots for support do. I'd probably throw in one unit of chosen for a solid center and mark everything else Slaanesh. It's not quite the horde that skaven or some other armies can muster but I'm curious if anyone has given it a go.

sulla
17-03-2010, 06:44
I haven't tried it but I always picture 3-4 blocks of 40 zombies would be fairly daunting to face. No matter how hard hitting your unit is, it's still going to get hit in the flank by the VC hard hitters.

Grey Mage
17-03-2010, 07:12
Lizard men.

Slaan- 275pts.
3 Skink Priests-195pts.
20 Skink Skirmishers- 2 units of 10- 140pts.
60 Saurus- 3 blocks of 20- 660pts.
2 Stegadons- 470pts.
7 Terradon Riders- units of 3 and 4- 210pts.
4 Razordons- 2x2- 300pts.
2250pts even.

Of course, if I wanted to take some nice magic items Id bring special characters, probly chakax so I could see where those damnable fanatics are. It would also be nice having one of the only lvl 4 casters in the game, with an extra d6 no less. Especially if SCs are not allowed.

outbreak
17-03-2010, 08:23
60 rank and file isn't a horde!
my usual skaven list has just under 200 and it's not even a horde list!

Grey Mage
17-03-2010, 08:57
Well, the origional version of this list had 100 skink skirmishers in it, but I thought that was a bit over the top. And another 20 Saurus.

Condottiere
17-03-2010, 09:07
I could do it with Duelists, but skirmishers would get eaten up or cause massive disruptions in my own forces as they get vaporised or flee.

Col. Frost
17-03-2010, 09:13
Bretonnia peasant horde at 2249:

1x Lord with Empathy - 120
1x Paladin BSB - 104
5x KoTR - 120
7x 40 Men at Arms - 1400
1x 41 Men at Arms - 205
5x 10 Archers - 300

for a grand total of 372 foot and 6 mounted troops

BigbyWolf
17-03-2010, 09:43
Orc Horde:
Blorc Warboss- Lets say 200 including a couple of upgrades.
Orc Caddy- 115
8x30 Orcs
245 points left for any command upgrades.

Bladelord
17-03-2010, 09:46
3 Bulls x13.
1365pts.
25 Gnoblars x13.
650pts.

2015pts. 235pts left to spend on characters and other stuff.

Sorceress, 2 Dispel Scrolls.
150pts.
20 Warriors, shields x15
2100pts.

2250pts.

Captain.
20 Swordsmen, 9 Halberdier Detachment. x12
Hellblaster Volley Gun. x2
something close to 2250pts.

Harwammer
17-03-2010, 10:20
unupgraded horde you say?

Doombull,
3x tuskgor chariots
4x 4 minotaurs
3x 5 hounds OR raiders
2x big gribbles.

37 models of unupgraded giant bull hordiness! Yep bulls can horde...

OR:

Doombull,
Gorebull,
Bray Shaman,
3x 5 raiders
4x 4 minotaurs
2x 2 big gribbles (ghorgon + cygor?)

Still very big bull horde theme though one less model and the ability to chase down runners is greatly diminished.

ZoomDog
17-03-2010, 10:22
High Elven Noble. 85.
8x 30 spearmen. 2160.

What could possiblie go wrong?

Baboon
17-03-2010, 12:19
10 dwarf hand gunners x 12
engineer.
( i cant find the poitns cost for lots of multi level hills on your side of the table but you would need it with that force. )


25 dwarf warriors x9 HW+S
thane.

Tauren
17-03-2010, 12:43
Surprised no one has mentioned the fully painted gnoblar army that showed up recently. He had a bucket for his sharp-stuff rolls.

willowdark
17-03-2010, 13:35
Especially since the OP mentioned no Gnoblar Hordes, unless you can actually do it. That guy has 1001 painted Gnoblars. All other Horde armies are posers.

Valaraukar
17-03-2010, 14:20
I am tempted to try a WoC 'horde' something like:

5x 10 Warriors with shields + mark of khorne 950
4x 10 Warriors with halberds + mark of khorne 760
5 x 5 Warhounds 150
Exalted + equipment 140 or Scroll caddy

rtunian
17-03-2010, 15:01
no upgrades at all makes for a crowded greenskin deployment zone:

orc warboss 120
3x orc bigboss 210

4x 29 orc boyz 580
10 orc arrer boyz 60
3x 21 ng bowgobs 189
3x 5 wolf riders 180
3x 5 spider riders 195
4x 2 snotling bases 160

2x orc boar chariot 160
2x goblin spear chucka 70
goblin rock lobba 70

4 trolls 160
goblin doom diver 80

2234

Chicago Slim
17-03-2010, 17:32
I've been building my way up to an orc horde. I now have all the models, but still some painting to do:

4 x 28 Boyz with shields and full command (~200 points each) = 800 points
3 x 30 Goblins with shields, no banners (~125 points each) = 375 points
3 x 30 Night Goblins with short bows, no banners, 3 fanatics each (~200 points) = 600 points
4 x 10 Arrer Boyz with musicians (65 each) = 260 points

Four black orc characters, including a BSB with the banner that adds his unit's rank bonus to my dispel pool (so, no casters, but I typically get 5 dispel dice, which at <3K doesn't suck). These guys are all on boars, and typically ride in the Boyz units, to keep them reliable.


I've even considered adding in a couple of units of ranked-up wolf riders (if you give them light armor, they're not fast cavalry, and at 12 ppm, a unit of 20 is still fairly cheap, and has a Mv 9!)

Jormi_Boced
17-03-2010, 17:36
I haven't tried it but I always picture 3-4 blocks of 40 zombies would be fairly daunting to face. No matter how hard hitting your unit is, it's still going to get hit in the flank by the VC hard hitters.

I played against a block of 100 one time.

shartmatau
17-03-2010, 17:51
Anyone try a marauder horde with WoC? I've been kinda tempted to see how tons of marauders/m.horsemen and some chariots for support do. I'd probably throw in one unit of chosen for a solid center and mark everything else Slaanesh. It's not quite the horde that skaven or some other armies can muster but I'm curious if anyone has given it a go.

I was thinking about making an army like this.

8 x 10 marauders with flails
4 x 20 marauders with full command & sheilds
4 spawn to guard the flanks and rear
1 cheap hero to lead them
1 bsb hero with the stubborn banner to hold the center

it would be worth making them all slanesh probably, or at least the 4 larger blocks.

SilasOfTheLambs
17-03-2010, 18:26
I don't know if it counts, exactly, but here's my shot at an empire horde army. (I'll do two versions, one with no magic items, the other with no upgrades at all just vanilla troops)


5 Inner Circle knightly orders with full command x4
5 Knightly orders w/full command x6
Warrior priest with barded warhorse, heavy armor, shield x3
Arch Lector of Sigmar, Barded Warhorse, heavy armor x1

Interestingly, with this list all four IC units of knights have hatred, and there are five PL4 bound spells and 7 DD. If the other guy is playing by the same rules (only core units and specials, and only with command) I think this could definitely compete with most things other armies could come up with.

It would also be cool to put some pistoliers in and drop some IC knights back to normal. And I think you should spot me the 14-point mounts and armor, etc, for the characters, just because conceptually the whole thing is so ****** cool ^_^
Without command upgrades, looks more like:
5 Knightly orders x10
5 Inner Circle knightly orders x4
Characters, same as above.

Leogun_91
17-03-2010, 18:34
Well I can't really make a list with no upgrades as my army has upgrades modelled but I'll do one with the models as "counts as" no upgrades.

3*40 Nightgoblins- 360
Random goblins lying around (aprox 30-50 so lets say 40)- 96
40 arrer boyz (yes I have them and I use them regularly)- 240
about 70 Orc boyz- 350
20 common goblins- 60pts
20 or so wolfriders- 240
alot of spiderriders that I probobly aint gonna paint (lets say 25) -325
Not a single blackorc- 0 (just wanted to point it out)
7 Boarboyz- 154
2 Wolf chariot- 120
Grom da paunch of misty mountain- 255

That comes out at 2224pts and then I could get a fanatic as well
345 (346 if I buy that fanatic).....I didn't know I had that much and then I still have a few more things to use.

rtunian
17-03-2010, 20:46
goodness, how many people are incapable of recognizing the caveat that no unit in the army has any upgrades at all. this isn't a "post a horde list" thread, this is a "post a horde list that has 0 upgrades" thread

see for yourself:


The challenge is to create a list with zero upgrades. no champs, standards, magic items, mounts. nothing. I dont know how i will go, but by doing this, i have added another 750 points worth of models to the army.

how many models could you get in a serious army (no, not an army of gnoblars. But if you ran an empire army with zero upgrades, what could you bring to the table? How much less effective would it be compared to an upgraded list?

castlesmadeofsand
17-03-2010, 23:32
goodness, how many people are incapable of recognizing the caveat that no unit in the army has any upgrades at all. this isn't a "post a horde list" thread, this is a "post a horde list that has 0 upgrades" thread

my thoughts exactly!

Bladelord
17-03-2010, 23:57
I just ignored the ''no upgrades'':)

w3rm
19-03-2010, 01:24
Slave army owns all. Gnobblars come in a close second.

Novrain
19-03-2010, 16:13
How about

25 Dwarf Warriors x 8
3 Dwarf Thanes
1995 points :P

I think this would be seriously scary to face tbh...203 dwarves marching as fast as their little legs can carry them straight down the board...

CrystalSphere
19-03-2010, 17:55
Why would you want to make a horde list without any standard, musician, or champion? I mean what is the point of it, because if you tell me you actually have those miniatures and want to do some crazy games, then ok, but the OP wasn´t certainly talking about that. I thought this was about actual horde armies, not about "how much miniatures i can get on the board".

rtunian
19-03-2010, 18:06
Why would you want to make a horde list without any standard, musician, or champion? I mean what is the point of it, because if you tell me you actually have those miniatures and want to do some crazy games, then ok, but the OP wasn´t certainly talking about that. I thought this was about actual horde armies, not about "how much miniatures i can get on the board".

did you just glance at the opening post w/o reading it?
he is partaking in a challenge. the whole point of the exercise is to build a horde army w/o upgrades.

the point of the thread is to post what you would make of your army if you made a horde w/o upgrades, and to discuss the differences between upgraded armies and non-upgraded armies.

CrystalSphere
19-03-2010, 18:39
Whoops I must have skipped that part. I reread it now and you´re right, my apologies.

decker_cky
19-03-2010, 19:48
An ungor beastmen list could be interesting loading up on 50 point ungor units and ambushing half of the army. So many horrible units coming from all directions. What can you do? :O

Grey Mage
19-03-2010, 21:35
....Laugh?

Necromancer2
19-03-2010, 22:37
2250 pts

1 BT
150 BL :) oh and I think 150 Bloodletters would be considered a horde.

Dr.Mercury
20-03-2010, 22:35
32 x 10 ungor raiders
Wargor

160 ungor popping up on random table edges and shooting you with short bows.

Terrifying.

Stronginthearm
21-03-2010, 00:53
Magic Heavy Vamp list, spam zombies and summon up legions more, theoretically infinite numbers, beat that gnoblars

Stuffburger
22-03-2010, 14:11
Even without hording up my O&G too much I tend to run out of area to deploy in. One thing I feel that horde armies suffer from is being unable to bring enough concentrated power for frontal attacks- they need to work their way onto the flanks and rears of the enemy and win with SCR.

Basically I'm saying if you want to take an ultra horde like these stripped down ones play on a bigger board than normal- at 1k try to get your opponent to play on a 6x4, for 2k on an 8x4 and then you'll have space to properly deploy and maneuver your masses of fodder. As anyone who has seen the historical documentary "300" knows hordes of poor troops fare badly when they are constricted and can't use their full numbers at once.

Anyways, for maximum hordage I would take something like

5x25 Night goblins 5*75= 375 points
5x20 Night goblins w/ shortbows 5*60=300
2x5 Spiders w/ mus 2*13*5 +2*10 = 142
2x5 Wolves w/ spears and mus = 142
2x25 Orcs w/ shields = 2*25*6 = 300
2x25 Orcs w/ extra choppa 2*7*25 = 350
4 Pump wagons 4*40 = 160

349 models

Something like 1785 points for 14 blocks, 4 fast cav units, and 4 of the cheapest "chariots" in the game and 215 left over for characters and maybe a fanatic or two. Slightly more realistically I'd drop 3 units of archers, 2 of regular night goblins and use the points on characters, warmachines, command, fanatics and some chariots but it'd still be pretty hordey.

ftayl5
23-03-2010, 09:34
yeah, you'll be surprised (and horrified) by how hordey lots of armies can be(even orcs minus gobbos) however super hordes (non VC, TK ones atkeast) are on panic domino waiting to happen

Eta
23-03-2010, 14:17
I'd go with a WoC horde (the warriors must take one weapon to be legal):

2 Chaos Sorcerers

2x17 Chaos Warriors, shields (sorcerers go here)
1x18 Chaos Warriors, shields
3x30 Marauders
1x29 Marauders
4x5 Chaos Hounds
1x6 Chaos Hounds

2x5 Chaos Knights
2x6 Forsaken

221 models, 2250 points

Not as hordy as it could get, but with two hammers in the form of knights, Forsaken flankers and durable warriors / expendable marauders to form the center this list might even work.

Greetings
Eta

N810
23-03-2010, 14:24
40 units of 10 skink cohorts... (2x5)
that 400 skinks. :eek:
and exactly 2000 points

Bladelord
23-03-2010, 14:26
Here's a real heavy hitting ''horde'' force.. an army of STEGADONS!

Lords & Heroes:
Skink Chief, Stegadon, spear.
293pts.
Skink Chief, BSB, Steggy.
315pts.
Total: 608pts.

Core Units:
3x10 Skink Cohorts.
Total: 150pts.

Special Units:
4xStegadons.
Total: 940pts.

Rare Units:
2xAncient Stegadons.
Total: 550pts.

Total: 2248pts.

A total of 8 Stegadons in a single list:evilgrin:

Bladelord
23-03-2010, 14:27
40 units of 10 skink cohorts... (2x5)
that 400 skinks. :eek:
and exactly 2000 points

And the general?:p

N810
23-03-2010, 14:29
And the general?:p

oops knock off 2 Skink units for s Skink Priest.

Harwammer
23-03-2010, 14:49
N0th1ng c4n b34t 3lv3s you're still taking upgrades; off topic list!