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dnort32
13-04-2010, 07:47
I have two Variations of this army, the main difference one is lead by Warlord Queek Headtaker and the other a Grey Seer on a screaming Bell. Please read it over and tell me what you think could be modified or improved.

CHARACTERS (941)
Grey Seer -240 490
The Screaming Bell- 200
Skalm- 30
Condensor- 20

Deathmaster Snikch- 270 270

Plague Priest- 100 181
Lvl 2 Wizard- 35
Plague Censor- 16
Shadow Magnet Trinket- 30


TROOPS (693)

25 Clanrats- 100 145
Shields/Spears- 25
Stand/Muso/Champ- 20

25 Clanrats- 100 145
Shields/Spears- 25
Stand/Muso/Champ- 20

25 Clanrats- 100 145
Shields/Spears- 25
Stand/Muso/Champ- 20

30 Clanrats- 120 170
Shields/Spears- 30
Stand/Muso/Champ- 20

21 Slave Rats- 42 44
Muso- 2

21 Slave Rats- 42 44
Muso- 2

SPECIAL (318)

10 Plague Censor Bearers - 160 173
Plague Chanter- 13

14 Poisoned Wind Globadiers-140 145
Bombardier- 5

RARE (300)

Doomwheel- 150 150

Doomwheel- 150 150
TOTAL= 2252

S E C O N D A R M Y


CHARACTERS (786)
Queek Headtaker- 215 215

Deathmaster Snikch- 270 270

Plague Priest- 100 181
Lvl 2 Wizard- 35
Plague Censor- 16
Shadow Magnet Trinket- 30

Warlock Engineer- 15 120
Lvl 2 Wizard- 85
Warp Condensor- 20

TROOPS (892)

25 Clanrats- 100 145
Shields/Spears- 25
Stand/Muso/Champ- 20

25 Clanrats- 100 145
Shields/Spears- 25
Stand/Muso/Champ- 20

25 Clanrats- 100 145
Shields/Spears- 25
Stand/Muso/Champ- 20

30 Stormvermin- 210 325
Shields- 30
Stand/Muso/Champ- 25
Storm Banner-50

21 Slave Rats- 42 44
Muso- 2


21 Slave Rats- 42 44
Muso- 2

21 Slave Rats- 42 44
Muso- 2

SPECIAL (269)

16 Plague Censor Bearers - 256 269
Plague Chanter- 13

RARE (300)

Doomwheel- 150 150

Doomwheel- 150 150
TOTAL POINTS= 2247

therat
13-04-2010, 16:40
I don't much care for the Deathmaster this edition, but that's a personal choice.

Do you play a lot of heavily armored enemies? The 14 PWGs in the first list might be overkill if you don't. If you do, I'd still opt for 2-3 mortars over the globadiers. Think about it.

The 16 PCBs in your second army seems like a lot to have in once place. I'd make 2 units of 8. As long as you keep them screened they'll be plenty survivable. In my current list I only run a single unit of 6 and they almost always make it into combat and devastate whatever they touch. Having 2 units of 8 means you can spread out their effectiveness.

Overall they both look like pretty solid horde armies. Some might say 2 doomwheels is cheese, but most of your army is pretty friendly so I don't see a problem with it. The only things you have that can really do CC damage are the PCBs and the wheels so it's pretty balanced. If the wheels fail you you might be in trouble, though.

dnort32
13-04-2010, 21:29
Played a Bretonnia army last night and the PCBs ended up saving the day. His big death star questing knight/3 character unit got my bell and after three turns killed the bell and broke the unit( His lord was wounding on 3+ because of a magic item). The PCBs flanked him and wiped out the unit. Was a close game and I ended up with about 500pts of models left after I wiped him out. The Doomwheels literally did NOTHING. Two missfires on the second turn then charged and died to combat rez/pursued. Of course the amount of crying about the PCBs came after. . . I really dont find them all that cheap. They hit hard but are easily killed.

Dantès
13-04-2010, 21:59
For the first list, drop the spears of all of your clanrats + Plague Chanter, and use that for 4 more PCBs, and split the unit of 10 into a unit of 7 and a unit of 6. As has been said, this spreads out their effectiveness. Also, this increases the chances you'll have a unit of PCBs alive by the time you hit combat. Let's face it, Skaven screens are unreliable, and sometimes you need multiples of certain units to make sure that unit hits home.

As far as the second list is concerned, drop the Plague Chanter spears on Clanrats, and pick up a Rival Hide Talisman for the Plague Priest, plus a Doomrocket on the Engineer.

He wouldn't have been crying if he'd taken a Trebuchet and some peasant archers. Just the fact that his 'deathstar' is a unit of questing knights shows he could use some extra help :p

therat
14-04-2010, 02:54
The PCBs flanked him and wiped out the unit.
Would you really have needed all those PCBs to do the job, though?


His big death star questing knight/3 character unit got my bell and after three turns killed the bell and broke the unit( His lord was wounding on 3+ because of a magic item).
If his unit of questies is really that bad keep your bell away from it. QKs are not terribly good to be honest, though.


The Doomwheels literally did NOTHING. Two missfires on the second turn then charged and died to combat rez/pursued.
Like I said in my previous post, the doomwheels can be pretty wild. They're not always auto-wins and there's lots of stuff that can beat them up. Against the brets mine usually does very well as long as it doesn't take a lance. The main thing I've learned using it is that against mid to high grade troops cannot be charged in the front by it, it just wont do enough unless you roll really well. On the flank, however, a mediocre roll can be enough to run down almost anything, especially if you have static clanrat res in the front.


Of course the amount of crying about the PCBs came after. . . I really dont find them all that cheap. They hit hard but are easily killed.
PCBs are not cheese. There's plenty worse things in the game than them. Skaven were given a lot of heavy hitters this edition compared to previous ones. It used to be only rogres and PCBs that could dish out serious damage in CC. Now you've got a choice between those, plus the HPA, plus the doomwheel, plus the furnace. Not to mention the rogres and PCBs got better.

As suggested, tell your bret friend to pick up some shooting. PCBs don't last long against bowmen on a hill.

Give us a battle rep next time!

J.P. Biff
14-04-2010, 05:57
Just the fact that his 'deathstar' is a unit of questing knights shows he could use some extra help :p

:D hahaha :D no doubt. I thought all Bretonnian players just had a large white out stain where the questing knights entry was :p