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Saul Tarvitz
13-04-2010, 22:24
And as ye go, preach, saying the Imperium of Man is at hand.
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.'

Excerpt from 'On the Enlightenment of Man' by the Most Enlightened Lorgar, Urizen and Primarch of the XVII Legion of the Adeptus Astartes.

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It is a time of legends and a veritable tempest is crossing the galaxy; it is not a tempest of energy but one of Enlightenment. The tempest is the Imperial Truth, and the Adeptus Astartes are its harbingers. These nigh-immortal warriors have been tasked by the Emperor with spreading His Word into the darkness, with reuniting those lost enclaves of humankind seperated by Old Night and to crush those that refuse.

Foremost amongst those spreading the Word is the XVII Legion, the Word Bearers.

Innumberable warriors form the XVII Legion, and so the Legion is split into several Chapters, each further subdivided into Grand Hosts, each of which contains roughly two thousand Marines. The Hosts are divided into Coteries, each numbering ten Warrior-Brothers and up to ten Oblates - those new to the Legion, or who have yet to attain the rank of Warrior-Brother.

This is a record of the 34th Grand Host, the Bearers of the True Word.

Each Host is a theocracy, led by a man of great fervour and belief, more commonly known as the Master of Sanctity. The 34th is no exception.

Master of Sanctity Sor Talgron, Master and Scion of the 34th

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd243/Vredesbyrd_Reed/Bearers%20of%20the%20True%20Word/MasterofSanctitySorTalgronScionofth.jpg

Although Sor Talgron is the spiritual leader of the Host, his duties at times preclude him from planning for battle, and directing the Warrior-Brothers in the field. This duty falls to his Coryphaus, the military leader and master tactician of the Host. Outside of battle the Coryphaus is the voice of the Host, leading the responses of the Host in the daily services as well as relaying the mood and feelings of the Host to his Master of Sanctity.

Kol Badar, Coryphaus of the 34th

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd243/Vredesbyrd_Reed/Bearers%20of%20the%20True%20Word/CaptainKolBadarCoryphausofthe34thGr.jpg

The Master of Sanctity is prepared for all eventualities, including his own death. Though far stronger than a normal man a Marine is not indestructible, and the Master of Sanctity knows this. To this end he trains and mentors a replacement, known as the First Acolyte of the Host. As well as being mentored by the Master of Sanctity the First Acolyte leads a coterie in battle and prayer.

First Acolyte Jarulek, Scholar-Brother of the 7th Coterie

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Though each coteries consists of ten Warrior-Brothers there are times when serious injury or death will restrict the numbers a coterie may field. Normally the death of a Warrior-Brother will result in the elevation of an Oblate, but not necessarily so. Two Warrior-Brother's of the 7th coterie were seriously injured during a recent planet fall, and are currently recovering in the Apothecarion. As well as being led by First Apostle Jarulek, the 7th coterie is accompanied by a Flamer wielding Brother-Purgator, a Marine trained in the use of specialised weaponry.

The Glorious Seventh, the 7th Coterie of the 34th Grand Host

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd243/Vredesbyrd_Reed/Bearers%20of%20the%20True%20Word/7thCoterie34thGrandHost.jpg

Saul Tarvitz
13-04-2010, 22:25
Just as the 7th coterie is led by Jarulek, so the 17th is led by Scholar-Brother Khalaxis. Holding a rank above that of his brothers Khalaxis is equivalent to a Veteran Sergeant in the ranks of a more blinkered Legion, such as the Ultramarines.

Khalaxis, Scholar-Brother of the 17th Coterie

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Again, like the 7th, the 17th is accompanied by a Brother-Purgator armed with a Flamer, a weapon instrumental in destroying the lies and heresies of the unenlightened.

The Hallowed Seventeenth, the 17th Coterie of the 34th Grand Host

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd243/Vredesbyrd_Reed/Bearers%20of%20the%20True%20Word/17thCoterie34thGrandHost.jpg

At times a coterie will be lost in its entirety. Such is a great loss for the Legion as a whole, and is deeply grieved. Occasionally though one or two Warrior-Brothers may survive and will subsequently be assigned to a newly formed coterie, usual gaining promotion en-route. Sabtec is one such man.

Sabtec, Scholar-Brother of the 13th Coterie

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Unlike some of the lesser, less enlightened Legions the Word Bearers feel that the best place for their novice Warrior-Brothers to experience battle is alongside the full Warrior-Brothers on the front line. Though some advocate keeping the future of the Legion in relative safety, or infiltrating behind enemy lines to prove their worth in the XVII Legion this is not so. The Word Bearers know that the novices, or Oblates as they are known within the Legion, can only truly learn alongside their betters and so the Oblates of the Legion are attached to individual Warrior-Brothers, who will assume responsibilty for training the Oblates, in matters both martial and spiritual. Thus is the knowledge of the elders passed down, and the traditions of the Legion preserved.

Novice Bartok, Oblate of the 17th Coterie

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd243/Vredesbyrd_Reed/Bearers%20of%20the%20True%20Word/NoviceBartokOblateofthe31stCoterie3.jpg

Saul Tarvitz
13-04-2010, 22:26
Each coterie maintains a substantial motor pool, consisting of APCs and aerial tranports as well as heavier battle tanks. The Predator is one of the most commonly seen tanks fielded by the XVII Legion, its arms and armour being perfectly suited to the fast paced warfare preferred by the Legion.

Predator Destructor 'Veritas' of the 34th Grand Host

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd243/Vredesbyrd_Reed/Bearers%20of%20the%20True%20Word/PredatorDestructorVeritas.jpg

On occassion a Warrior-Brother may fall in battle to wounds so grievous that he can no longer fight for the Legion, yet not dire enough to ensure his death. For those so afflicted there is, however, a solution - internment in one of the sarcophagi of Legion's Dreadnoughts. In this limbo the Warrior-Brother can continue to fight for his Legion and Lord. The Venerable Bede was a hugley respected Scholar-Brother who was interred following battle with Orks, in which Scholar-Brother Bede was bisected by an Ork Warboos but retained conciousness long enough to see the Urizen decapitate the beast. Those interred in the sarcophagi become living repositories of knowledge and tradition, and Venerable Bede is no exception.

The Venerable Bede, Scrivener-Archivist of the 34th

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As the tale of the 34th continues I shall continue to chronicle it. As a Dreadnought of the Legion it is my solemn duty and right to remember and archive our actions.

Vocal Signature Recognition Complete. Speaker identified as The Venerable Bede, Scrivener-Archivist of the 34th Coterie of the XVII Legion. M31.

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And so it begins! This is my umpteenth log here on Warseer, but this one is different to all the others I've done. Simply because I now have friends here in Aberdeen who are involved in the hobby too, making it alot more difficult for me to get bored of the army and to give up on it.

As you can see there are quite a few recycled models in here, and a couple of missing ones too. Two models from the Seventh were broken after being dropped and the 13th are waiting on heads from Maxmini. Bartok's hair is courtesy of VESPASIAN and I've nine further Oblates awaiting their heads, but as I've essays for Uni that will have to wait until the end of the week.

Other than five more Scouts, a Dreadnought and enough heads for the 13th the modelling part of this army is complete, and so for the first time this will be a plog, with some more modelling to come once I've got this 1,500pts finished.

I'm running the army using Codex: Black Templars, hence the amalgamated Marine and Scout Squads. The Coryphaus Kol Badar is to be my Emperor's Champion and Sor Talgron is simply a Master of Sanctity.

Alot of the names for the army mainly from the books 'Dark Apostle' and 'Dark Disciple' by Anthony Reynolds, along with a little from 'Battle For The Abyss', 'Thousand Sons' and 'Scions Of The Storm'. There's a little artistic licence in there too, but that's good for the Soul.

Jager Cell
13-04-2010, 22:51
Looks to be off to a good start and I love those heads!!! Good use of the characters form the Word Bearer trilogy. Will you be making use of the War Mongerer?

Saul Tarvitz
13-04-2010, 22:57
Looks to be off to a good start and I love those heads!!! Good use of the characters form the Word Bearer trilogy. Will you be making use of the War Mongerer?

I already am. :D

Going by what is said of the Warmonger in the Word Bearer books, and the fact that Sor Talgron of the 34th is called 'Warmonger' in 'Scions of the Storm' its been surmised that they're one and the same. I'm depicting him before the Legion fell to Chaos, let alone before he fell in battle. ;)

Jager Cell
13-04-2010, 23:13
Scions of the storm?

lord opium
13-04-2010, 23:26
I love the Word Bearer books by Anthony Reynolds, nice twist setting them pre-hersesy. Im liking the conversions esp the pred, can't wait to see more!

malika
14-04-2010, 00:14
There is a little contradiction in the fluff. 'Scions of the Storm' which takes place when Lorgar has already fallen to Chaos seems to suggest that Kol Badar was still a sergeant at the time rather than a captain. Antony Reynolds' book however seems to suggest that he was already a captain. I could imagine that Kol Badar got promoted after the events of 'Scions of the Storm', so he wouldn't be a captain in your force since it would take place during the Great Crusade before the Emperor got frustrated with Lorgar.

What about including Marduk and Burias?

Saul Tarvitz
14-04-2010, 00:43
Jager, Scions of the Storm can be found in 'Tales of the Heresy'. ;)

I know that Kol Badar was only really a Sergeant at the time of Scions, but I like the idea of him being Coryphaus, might strip him of the rank of Captain and keep him as Coryphaus. He was the Warmonger's Coryphaus after all. As for MarduK, well he wouldn't be in the Legion yet, after all Kol Badar and Jarulek had fought alongisde each other for a long time before Marduk joined the Legion. Not sure about Burias though, he may well be an Oblate soon enough.

Hushrong
14-04-2010, 01:36
some good stuff in here saul! i like the use of bitz with the minis like sor and kol. hope to see some painted up soon.

malika
14-04-2010, 10:09
Marduk and Burias fought during the invasion of Calth to prevent the Ultramarines from reaching Terra. Marduk always seemed to have resented that somewhat, that Kol Badar was able to fight at Terra with Lorgar and the Warmonger whilst he was stuck on that hell hole fighting Ultramarines.

OutOfContext
14-04-2010, 14:59
Most excellent work, Tarvitz. Consider me subscribed already :D
All Maximini heads right?

eltanko
14-04-2010, 19:10
Very nice modelling so far, I look forward to seeing them painted up!

ElTanko

Saul Tarvitz
18-04-2010, 02:09
Very nice modelling so far, I look forward to seeing them painted up!

ElTanko

Thanks, so do I! *Should* hopefully have a couple of test minis done by next Sunday in some schemes I'm thinking of, so they will be up on here for approval, comments and rotten fruit.

OOC indeed they are, except for Bartok's which is from Hasslefree, via a lovely gentleman from thegreatcrusade.co.uk called VESPASIAN. :cool:

Petay1985
27-04-2010, 13:56
I just stumbled across this project log and i must say a crackign start fella! these really are great, i especially like: Kol Badar, Coryphaus of the 34th a very nice, yet simple twist on the sicarious model!

I am very much looking forward to seeing how this log progresses!

de Selby
27-04-2010, 14:00
This looks really promising. Want to see one painted now. :)

G.Hawke
27-04-2010, 14:16
If i could make a suggestion on the pre-heresy front, perhaps fallen out the shoulder pads like so:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/a/a7/Word_Bearers_Marine.jpg/200px-Word_Bearers_Marine.jpg

I'd also try to varey the heads a little, while nice, they bulk of them doesn't fit with the later design armour you have them in. Word bearers were in a combination of Mk4 & mk5 armour preheresy

http://29thgreatcompany.home.comcast.net/~29thgreatcompany/Armor/mkiv.jpghttp://29thgreatcompany.home.comcast.net/~29thgreatcompany/Armor/mkv.jpg

Though they didn't go all mk5 red-plate till the opening of the heresy (at least according to battle for the abyss)

hawke

Saul Tarvitz
27-04-2010, 17:20
Thanks for the kind words guys.

Petay1985 I was quite pleased with Kol Badar at first, but now I'm thinking of re-doing him. I mashed up the leather crotch tassles he's rocking and I don't really like the look of the chain tabard, I think I brutalised the end of it really.

Hopefully, weather permitting, I should get a test mini done this weekend de Selby, and as all my essays for this semester are now in I have no real excuse not to paint!

Thanks for the suggestions Hawke but I've, rather lazily, decided that these guys are all in modified Mk II and Mk III armour, which means I'm covered, but I do intend on changing out the tabard-less Marines for those with, just because I like the look of them.

Saul Tarvitz
28-04-2010, 21:12
I don't really want to put up a double-post but I started working on someone new today. Not much but still.

A poor picture of things yet to come...

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd243/Vredesbyrd_Reed/Bearers%20of%20the%20True%20Word/BrotherSpens.jpg

This guy is destined to become a Las/Missile Dreadnought, as I've got the bits around I saw no point in going for a standard boxy Dreadnought when I could do something slightly more special.

Hushrong
28-04-2010, 21:39
looking forward to seeing some work done on that ven. dread saul.

is that a skull helm/head on the sarchopagus?

Saul Tarvitz
29-04-2010, 18:33
Thanks Hushrong. I think the skull is one of the Defiler faceplates, but I can't say for definite - this bad boy was dropped into my beer one night after work back when I used to work for GW. :D

Aiwass
03-05-2010, 23:54
Very imaginative conversions Saul, nice army and fluff :)

Suscribed!

Saul Tarvitz
03-05-2010, 23:59
Hehe, thanks mate.

I must admit I've been subscribed to your log since you started it, but have yet to comment. Something I intend to remedy. :D

Kriegersen
05-05-2010, 00:21
lovin these dudes, man

Saul Tarvitz
05-05-2010, 00:21
Thanks Krigersen, nice name btw. ;) :p

Now I has a question for you all. The more I look at Sor Talgron the more I dislike his helmet. Its too small, and unlike most of the other Maxmini heads, quite cartoony looking. This helmet is supposed to be the one worn by Marduk as Dark Apostle, and as such isn't really fitting as the helm of a great hero.

I want to replace it but don't know what to use. I know there's a skull helm in the Chaos Warrior box, but loads of people use that. The skull-like helm from the Chaos Marine box is tempting, as its alot more stylised than alot of other skull hulms, and so more artificery I think.

Any thoughts?

Hushrong
05-05-2010, 05:31
make you own skull helm?

i cant remember where but someone took a skull bit an cut off the back of it an glue & green-stuffed it to the front of a trimmed down SM helmet. it came out nice. i thought about using this open mouth skull from the VC(i think) army to make a chaplain look like he is shouting using the mentioned idea.

logan054
05-05-2010, 08:57
Now I has a question for you all. The more I look at Sor Talgron the more I dislike his helmet. Its too small, and unlike most of the other Maxmini heads, quite cartoony looking. This helmet is supposed to be the one worn by Marduk as Dark Apostle, and as such isn't really fitting as the helm of a great hero.

You could try using one of the plastic chaos warriors heads rather (they have a skull one) which i think would work alot better, i have to agree that i really dont like that helmet.

Looks like this could be a interesting log :)

Aiwass
05-05-2010, 10:17
If have to be a skull, Hushrong is right, is the easiest mode. Another way can be take a WHFB skull and attach direct to the body, then make a hood with GS, DA style. After all they are monks. The expensive mode is take Lemartes or the LoTD sarge and swap the head.

If the skull is not mandatory, there are many options like this one

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1900118_99110201207_WoCLordDaemonicMountMain_873x 627.jpg

or this one (I love specially this helm but I don't know how hard to remove can be):

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1183559_99110201125_ChaosArchaonMain_873x627.jpg

Or any of the awesome Chaos Knights helms.

Not cheap options, but beauty.

EDIT:

As more I see Sor Talgron, more I think that the better way would be a hooded skull/helm. BTW he have a nice left shoulder pad (can't see the right xD) where is it?

Saul Tarvitz
05-05-2010, 14:14
make you own skull helm?

i cant remember where but someone took a skull bit an cut off the back of it an glue & green-stuffed it to the front of a trimmed down SM helmet. it came out nice. i thought about using this open mouth skull from the VC(i think) army to make a chaplain look like he is shouting using the mentioned idea.

When I first read this I recoiled a little bit, despite working on a PH army I scurriously avoid any effort where I can. :D The more I think about it though, the more I'm tempted by this idea. I might give it a go and see how it looks.


You could try using one of the plastic chaos warriors heads rather (they have a skull one) which i think would work alot better, i have to agree that i really dont like that helmet.

Looks like this could be a interesting log :)

Thanks mate! Like I said before I'm going to try to avoid that plastic head for now, but I think I'll keep it in mind as a last resort, in case I screw up making my own, or can't find another suitable one.


If have to be a skull, Hushrong is right, is the easiest mode. Another way can be take a WHFB skull and attach direct to the body, then make a hood with GS, DA style. After all they are monks. The expensive mode is take Lemartes or the LoTD sarge and swap the head.

Or any of the awesome Chaos Knights helms.

Not cheap options, but beauty.

EDIT:

As more I see Sor Talgron, more I think that the better way would be a hooded skull/helm. BTW he have a nice left shoulder pad (can't see the right xD) where is it?

Hooded is tempting, but wouldn't really fit with the overall aesthetic of the rest of the army - currently there's no hoods in it, but I suppose Sor Talgron of all makes sense having a hood.

I really like your idea of using Lemartes' head though, its a little pricey like you said, but I want his body for when I come to do my Soul Drinkers Assault Company (PH Imperial Fists using BA rules :evilgrin:), and so don't mind buying him for that. Only issue with him would be carefully removing the head so both it and the body can be re-used. I'm sure I could manage it though. :chrome:

His shoulder pads are both the same, and come from the same source as his helm - its the Skull Tribe Master of Rites from Maxmini. ;)

Saul Tarvitz
16-05-2010, 17:21
Double post, but its eleven days since the last so I feel its justified.

I've decided to go the stylised skull helm route, using the Chaos Marine helmet previously mentioned, and in this picture pinched from the Bits and Kits (http://www.bitsandkits.co.uk/) webstore. I've ordered two of these helmets from Bits and Kits, because I know I'll fluff up the first attempt at removing that arrow...

http://www.bitsandkits.co.uk/bmz_cache/1/11df926de51b6bd60d661edb6361ecef.image.150x135.jpg

Also got some Power Fists, Bolt Pistol and Combat Weapon arms, Meltaguns and a few other things on order too.

I was going to spend this afternoon working on my Word Bearers, but I forgot that I'd lent a friend my clippers, which makes removing bits from sprues kinda difficult.

However, I do have another picture for you lucky lucky peeps. I've managed to get my hands on an old metal Land Speeder for the army, in fact its the main reason I shuffled the list round to fit one in the army... Anyway, its armed with a Multi-melta, but I'm not sure where to put it. I'm thinking of mounting it underslung under the nose of the craft, but then the gunner on the top of the Speeder won't have anything to do, and will have a gap in front of him. Any suggestions would be ace!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3SgMN0fgins/S-COKHkTBgI/AAAAAAAAANY/CFj9j9u9H5w/s1600/Land+Speeder.jpg

OutOfContext
16-05-2010, 17:50
For the speeder, perhaps you can incorporate the MM into the front of the craft? Like sort of built into the nose, but on the same side of the gunner?
Gawd, this is hard to explain without pictures :shifty:

I think you need something different to just mounting it like the plastic speeder anyway, Tarvitz. Hopefully you see what I mean :p

Hushrong
16-05-2010, 17:52
hope you get your bitz an clippers soon to make some more word bearers.

for the lander speeder, i mostly see the multi metla underslung and the gunner with a heavy bolter. i'd say leave the MM on the bottom and jerry-rig a CSM heavy bolter for the gunner.

logan054
16-05-2010, 17:57
damnit, why is everyone else can find these things, its just so unfair :(

Saul Tarvitz
16-05-2010, 18:13
For the speeder, perhaps you can incorporate the MM into the front of the craft? Like sort of built into the nose, but on the same side of the gunner?
Gawd, this is hard to explain without pictures :shifty:

I think you need something different to just mounting it like the plastic speeder anyway, Tarvitz. Hopefully you see what I mean :p

I kinda get what your meaning - having it built into the nose of the Speeder rather than above or below? I like the idea, but as I've only got the one Speeder and Melta currently I don't want to risk ruining it by cutting into it so I think I'll avoid adventurous conversions for now.


hope you get your bitz an clippers soon to make some more word bearers.

for the lander speeder, i mostly see the multi metla underslung and the gunner with a heavy bolter. i'd say leave the MM on the bottom and jerry-rig a CSM heavy bolter for the gunner.

I do too, I was really looking forward to a day of hobby. I swore very loudly when I realised I didn't have my tools. I would whack a Heavy Bolter on there, but for the fact I'm running these guys using the Black Templar codex. Unfortunately the only thing I can alongside a Multi-Melta is a Heavy Flamer and I don't really fancy that combination. Too jack of all trades, master of none for my liking.


damnit, why is everyone else can find these things, its just so unfair :(

Hehe. Time, care and stalking a German. These are the secrets of success. :D Nah, I was going through Saphos' (off of Bolter and Chainsword) Flickr stream and noticed he had a For Sale album, so I just shot him off a PM and it went from there. I was lucky to get it, someone else had already asked about it but changed their mind at the last minute.

I'm thinking now that the Marine closest to the camera will be getting some form of control system, jury rigged from the handles that go on a plastic vehicle Storm Bolter. Normally he'd be rocking a Heavy Bolter on this model, but as previously mentioned I can't do that in my codex currently.

logan054
16-05-2010, 19:34
I guess i will have to continue stalking ebay, i mean is it so much to ask for, i only wont 3 (what makes it worse was i used to have two in my bits box which my mum threw out when i moved out :( )

Aiwass
16-05-2010, 21:54
Good to see some advances here. You can put the control panel of a rhino in front of the gunner I think, checking the scanner for targets or something.

Regards.

Saul Tarvitz
22-05-2010, 19:37
Well then, I got the Land Speeder stripped down to its bare metal, though I forgot to strip the Multimelta, but the paint on that is very thin so its not too much of an issue.

I joined Heresy-Online the other day and I've been getting some really helpful feedback there on my army list. Partially because of that, but partially because I found it cheap on eBay, I bought myself another Land Speeder today.

Now this one is a Rogue Trader era one, so has an underslung Meltagun as opposed to a Multimelta, but I see no issues in running it as a Multimelta. I do have a bit of an issue though, the pilot and gunner are quite cleaerly in Mk VI helms, but my army is set before Lorgar got the slap across the wrists by the Emperor so Mk VI doesn't exist yet! The problem I have is that I don't really want to take a dremel to RT minis, and if I did I'd not know what to replace them with, what with RT minis being that little bit smaller.

Any suggestions would be ace, and the picture is shamelessly nicked from The Warhammer Trader on eBay, the store I bought it from.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd243/Vredesbyrd_Reed/Bearers%20of%20the%20True%20Word/RTLandSpeeder.jpg

terribletrygon
23-05-2010, 00:27
or this one (I love specially this helm but I don't know how hard to remove can be):

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1183559_99110201125_ChaosArchaonMain_873x627.jpg


The helmet on that model comes separately.

AndrewGPaul
23-05-2010, 00:31
Make something up. They're mark 4 variants, or early mark 6 prototypes or something. For the 2nd edition Speeder, I'd be inclined to assemble it as intended (with the underslung multimelta and the gunner firing the flamer) and use it as a Tornado.

Is that RT Speeder missing the upper multimelta, or did you leave it off?

(As an aside, I must take issue with G.Hawke from the previous page - the Word Bearers, like everyone else, would be using mark 2 and 4 armour, with some specialist mark 3 suits. No-one used mark 5 before the Heresy, since it was simply a catch-all designation for the stop-gap suits fielded during the Heresy due to logistical interruptions.)

D3V!L
23-05-2010, 01:21
Andrew is absolutele right there should be nothing more modern than MkIV if you are really going PH.

My personal favorite is allways the MkIII. I think this is just the most awsome armor ever created. It really is a shame there are no plastic minis wearing this one. I'd so much thank GW if they were to release some minis with older Mk's of armor in separate pieces. Like modern plastics. This would be so awsome.

In general this is a nice project. I especially like the idea of turning the34th PH. Great Idea!

BTW Is there a real name known for the Warmonger?!?!

Saul Tarvitz
23-05-2010, 02:16
Make something up. They're mark 4 variants, or early mark 6 prototypes or something. For the 2nd edition Speeder, I'd be inclined to assemble it as intended (with the underslung multimelta and the gunner firing the flamer) and use it as a Tornado.

Is that RT Speeder missing the upper multimelta, or did you leave it off?

(As an aside, I must take issue with G.Hawke from the previous page - the Word Bearers, like everyone else, would be using mark 2 and 4 armour, with some specialist mark 3 suits. No-one used mark 5 before the Heresy, since it was simply a catch-all designation for the stop-gap suits fielded during the Heresy due to logistical interruptions.)

The guys over at TheGreatCrusade were suggesting something similar, coming up with a fluffy reason for the Mk VI style armour. Currently I like this idea a lot as it lets me use the model as is, and having it as heavily modified Mk IV makes sense as the RT Speeder is a lot more open than the Mk 2 (for want of a better name) Speeder, and so upping the bulk on the Marines' armour makes up for the deficit of vehicle armour.

I would assemble it as a Tornado but under the Black Templar codex those things are painfully expensive, and as I want these to be swift tank hunters its not really worth the points for me. As for the RT Speeder that's how its coming from TheWarhammerTrader. Only having the one underslung gun is fine though, its easy to tell what it represents.


Andrew is absolutele right there should be nothing more modern than MkIV if you are really going PH.

My personal favorite is allways the MkIII. I think this is just the most awsome armor ever created. It really is a shame there are no plastic minis wearing this one. I'd so much thank GW if they were to release some minis with older Mk's of armor in separate pieces. Like modern plastics. This would be so awsome.

In general this is a nice project. I especially like the idea of turning the34th PH. Great Idea!

BTW Is there a real name known for the Warmonger?!?!

Thanks! Big fan of the Mk III myself too, though with Mk IV being so freely available my next army will most likely be rocking that look.

As for the Warmonger, its generally assumed that he is Sor Talgron. In 'Scions of the Storm' in the Tales of Heresy anthology Sor Talgron captains the 34th, and is called a warmonger by a Priest of the world they're fighting on. As we know that the Warmonger led the 34th at the Siege, and for some time before its assumed that he and Sor Talgron are one and the same. When you take into account that both the Word Bearer novels and 'Scions of the Storm' were both written by Anthony Reynolds this seems to make perfect sense.

D3V!L
23-05-2010, 10:44
As for the Warmonger, its generally assumed that he is Sor Talgron. In 'Scions of the Storm' in the Tales of Heresy anthology Sor Talgron captains the 34th, and is called a warmonger by a Priest of the world they're fighting on. As we know that the Warmonger led the 34th at the Siege, and for some time before its assumed that he and Sor Talgron are one and the same. When you take into account that both the Word Bearer novels and 'Scions of the Storm' were both written by Anthony Reynolds this seems to make perfect sense.

As you say it, it dawns on me. Your right. Thanks a lot for this clarification.

Kiro
20-07-2010, 19:10
Good stuff!
Question though; pictures 3, 4, and 7 on page 1; where did you get those helmets from?

Saul Tarvitz
20-07-2010, 19:22
Those would be from a Polish company known as Maxmini.eu, they're their Steam Knight heads.

Morden279
02-09-2010, 20:29
Word up!

May I ask where you got the tomes - most particularly the one mounted to the front of your Predator?

Great work, by the way. :)