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BobtheInquisitor
21-04-2010, 05:30
So, I'm planning to convert a small craftworld for my BFG Eldar, either Craftworld "Enya" or Craftworld "Floggaen Mollwe", but I'm not too sure what it should look like. Which books or codices (codexes) have any pictures of an Eldar Craftworld? Is there a good source of imagery online? What do they look like? Would a Falcon or two be a good base for a conversion?

Does anybody have any good leads for what an Eldar Craftworld looks like?

carlisimo
21-04-2010, 06:34
The Eldar codex has one, and the Tyranid codex has a small little drawing too. They're usually depicted as large spaceships with complicated shapes and with sails. Some people are bigger fans of Death Star-like spheres. You can basically make one up; they're all unique.

I think this picture was in a very old White Dwarf:
http://blackstone.outpost10f.com/conversions/Craftworld_game.jpg

This one is also official and is more recent:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/images/5/5f/BielTan.jpg

This one is fan art:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ih6OWR4Pfzc/SZPjLhZdzcI/AAAAAAAAAAw/jRhx9plgQl4/S460/Saim%2520Hain%2520Craftworld.jpg

Sigis
21-04-2010, 06:48
This one is also official and is more recent:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/images/5/5f/BielTan.jpg


ooo id so happen to like the sailsy eldar ships always made them feel super advanced to me.

Lothlanathorian
21-04-2010, 07:46
The Eldar codex has one, and the Tyranid codex has a small little drawing too. They're usually depicted as large spaceships with complicated shapes and with sails. Some people are bigger fans of Death Star-like spheres. You can basically make one up; they're all unique.

I think this picture was in a very old White Dwarf:
http://blackstone.outpost10f.com/conversions/Craftworld_game.jpg

This one is also official and is more recent:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/images/5/5f/BielTan.jpg

This one is fan art:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ih6OWR4Pfzc/SZPjLhZdzcI/AAAAAAAAAAw/jRhx9plgQl4/S460/Saim%2520Hain%2520Craftworld.jpg


I really like the first one. I haven't seen that picture before.

Grimgork
21-04-2010, 07:57
The first one is from the "Doom of the Eldar" Boardgame. Really nice.

sprugly
21-04-2010, 08:17
do bare in mind that the craftworlds are kinda the eldar planet ships. so it'd have to be HUGE compared to the rest of the range. those lovely big ships dock at the craftworld.

cool idea though

sprugly

Tiu
21-04-2010, 09:20
Theres also a pic of the Iyanden Craftworld in the 40k rulebook...

Condottiere
21-04-2010, 09:28
The second one looks awkward and the sails seem both vulnerable and an obvious initial target.

kraken
21-04-2010, 09:33
I think the last one is lovely, the second one is pretty sweet too , what page in the rulebook, can't say I had ever noticed.....

Killgore
21-04-2010, 09:42
The second one looks awkward and the sails seem both vulnerable and an obvious initial target.

Not so much of a problem when you consider that something has to go horribly wrong for a Craftworld to ever come under attack from other space vessels

grissom2006
21-04-2010, 09:53
That second picture isn't actually that recent it dates back to GW's first attempts at BFG and is one of Jes's drawings.

Promethius
21-04-2010, 10:18
I'm fairly certain that ion the old BFG mag there was a craftworld model (with rules) that someone had made. Unfortunately my mags are in my parent's attic 200 miles away. Try asking in the bfg section here; I'e looked through the specialist games site but it's not amongst the articles there.

AndrewGPaul
21-04-2010, 10:48
That second picture isn't actually that recent it dates back to GW's first attempts at BFG and is one of Jes's drawings.

If it's the one I'm thinking of (small pencil drawing?) it's a side view of Biel-Tan from the original Eldar Craftworld army list from White Dwarf 127, July 1990. The big colour one is a top-down view of Iyanden from the Doomof the Eldar boardgame from August 1993.

I wouldn't try to build a craftworld to scale - as the name suggests, they're approaching the size of a small moon. You'd be better off building one and using it as a terrain feature.

MetalGecko23
21-04-2010, 10:50
So, I'm planning to convert a small craftworld for my BFG Eldar, either Craftworld "Enya" or Craftworld "Floggaen Mollwe", but I'm not too sure what it should look like. Which books or codices (codexes) have any pictures of an Eldar Craftworld? Is there a good source of imagery online? What do they look like? Would a Falcon or two be a good base for a conversion?
Please what ever happens make a craftworld call Floggaen Mollwe, pleez..:p

Idaan
21-04-2010, 13:00
I think this picture was in a very old White Dwarf:
http://blackstone.outpost10f.com/conversions/Craftworld_game.jpg


Notice how these tiny bubbles coloured blue and green are landmasses. It is pretty huge, moon-sized at least. Even though Iyanden is the largest Craftworld there is, I would imagine that even the smaller ones are too big for a BFG table. But then again I've seen people build Imperator Titans for 40k.

BobtheInquisitor
21-04-2010, 13:26
Thanks for the pictures and advice, everyone. My craftworld will be a very tiny one. And Gecko, I'll call it Floggaen Mollwe. :)

Gutlord Grom
21-04-2010, 13:54
I'm fairly certain that ion the old BFG mag there was a craftworld model (with rules) that someone had made. Unfortunately my mags are in my parent's attic 200 miles away. Try asking in the bfg section here; I'e looked through the specialist games site but it's not amongst the articles there.

I believe the rules were in a Fanatic (a good Specialist Games magazine in my opinion), and detailed the rules for refighting the invasion of Iyanden by the 'Nids. Not sure if there was a model, but I do remember the rules for the Craftworlds defenses; I do remember something about central fortresses that had overlapping fields of fire with ship to ship weapons used to wipe out the first few waves of bugs.

Promethius
21-04-2010, 21:35
I believe the rules were in a Fanatic (a good Specialist Games magazine in my opinion), and detailed the rules for refighting the invasion of Iyanden by the 'Nids. Not sure if there was a model, but I do remember the rules for the Craftworlds defenses; I do remember something about central fortresses that had overlapping fields of fire with ship to ship weapons used to wipe out the first few waves of bugs.

The one I'm thinking of pre-dates fanatic! It's the old-school bfg mag. I'll ask my old man to root through the loft and locate them so I can look it up.

GrogDaTyrant
21-04-2010, 22:13
I would imagine that even the smaller ones are too big for a BFG table.

Technically, nothing is 'too big' for Gothic. None of the BFG models are 'to-scale', especially for torpedoe/fighter sizes in relation to the escort/capitals. A really good example of this is the Ramilles Class Starfort in relation to damned near every other model. If the Ramilles was 'to-scale' with the rest of the Gothic line, then it'd most likely fill a 10'x10' board. A 'to-scale' craftworld wouldn't even be feasible, unless you wanted to fill a room... But while craftworlds (especially Iyanden) are huge, I don't think they are *quite* the size of a small moon.

LonelyPath
21-04-2010, 22:43
The Eldar codex has one, and the Tyranid codex has a small little drawing too. They're usually depicted as large spaceships with complicated shapes and with sails. Some people are bigger fans of Death Star-like spheres. You can basically make one up; they're all unique.

I think this picture was in a very old White Dwarf:
http://blackstone.outpost10f.com/conversions/Craftworld_game.jpg

This one is also official and is more recent:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/images/5/5f/BielTan.jpg

This one is fan art:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ih6OWR4Pfzc/SZPjLhZdzcI/AAAAAAAAAAw/jRhx9plgQl4/S460/Saim%2520Hain%2520Craftworld.jpg

All great pics, but I think the 1st is the most recent of the occifial ones. The 2nd IIRC is a sketch of Jes Goodwin's from around 1989 or 1990. It was printed in WD a little while later around the time Battlefleet Gothic 1st edition was released.

Dr.Clock
22-04-2010, 02:58
That's no Battle-station...

Sorry: unavoidable.

For a craftworld to be in BFG. it should take up half the board.

Cheers,

E

Hellebore
22-04-2010, 03:28
C.S. Goto paraphrased that famous Star Wars line something like:

"That's no Star!"

So Ulthwe was pretty damn big to be mistaken for a star. :p

The planets in BFG aren't to scale either. If they were a battleship would be 1/2 the length of Jupiter.

I'd definitely make it bigger than the average space hulk, perhaps with a scale cruiser sculpted hanging off the side to give a sense of scale. :cool:

Hellebore

Alessander
22-04-2010, 04:21
one of the BFG mags showed a conversion of a craftworld, it had it's own stats too. I think they used a model of the old SeaQuestDSV craft.

BobtheInquisitor
23-04-2010, 03:41
I'd definitely make it bigger than the average space hulk, perhaps with a scale cruiser sculpted hanging off the side to give a sense of scale. :cool:

Hellebore

That's a brilliant idea! Now... how am I going to make something the size of an epic mini look like a BFG cruiser?

Hellebore
23-04-2010, 04:10
Glue a magnifying glass to it so people can see what it is? :p

If you just tell people what it is (this is a shadow class cruiser to scale next to the craftworld) then I think people will appreciate it as is.

Hellebore

X-Porter
23-04-2010, 04:27
one of the BFG mags showed a conversion of a craftworld, it had it's own stats too. I think they used a model of the old SeaQuestDSV craft.

Gah. Beat me to it :(

This is what I immediately thought of. The Seaquest model is a bit over a foot and a half long and has nice, organic lines. A little sail-work and you're good to go!

Absolutionis
23-04-2010, 04:29
Here's another picture of that first BFG craftworld image in better resolution.

It's not from a game in particular but simply a fan-made project. I may be mistaken.

Personally, I think it just looks like pieces of well-cut wood on top of one another with 25-cent-machine orbs in between.

BobtheInquisitor
26-04-2010, 06:13
That's a pretty cool craftworld, but I'm already somewhat committed to using the two Falcon chassis I just bought to make my craftworld. I may steal some of the layout of it, though.

I think I might cut up some Epic Swooping Hawks and attach their wings to an arrow point to make a Shadow Class Cruiser to scale. What do you think?

dicnar
26-04-2010, 07:43
Wow. I started building mine back when BFG was released :P Then i had a huuuge break from wargaming. Now After 10 years i dusted it off and decided to finish it. here are some pics, i based mine on a John's Blanches painting in the 2ed Eldar codex. It all started when i found two bottles of "rabbit shampo " they just looked "eldarish" so i glued them together forming the back of the craft :) The last two pictures is the "head" of the craftworld and the Warp gate also a model from starfleet game that i planned to use as tiny cities on the craftworld surface.
Good luck with you project, hope it's finished faster than mine :P
Ps. When I'm back home i post you some craftworld pics i was collecting them for refrences.

dicnar
28-04-2010, 19:37
Here are few of the mentioned Craftworld pics, but I can't find the Blanche one. maby I scan it later.

Mike3791
28-04-2010, 20:28
Not so much of a problem when you consider that something has to go horribly wrong for a Craftworld to ever come under attack from other space vessels

The imperial navy attacked one in the 40k main rulebook.. and they lost their entire sector fleet!