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Sergeant Uriel Ventris
24-04-2010, 20:29
When you were looking at possible armies to start with, was there one that you said, "These are the guys I will never use."? I did that with Chaos, and now here I am, starting a Chaos army. The only problem is I can't decide what Legion to use.

I want to make sure I don't limit my options for troops to try out or tactics to use. I bought a box of Death Guard and the conversion kits from FW because I love the way they look and I've heard those Plague Marines are ded 'ard. As far as the rest of it goes, however, I don't know what to paint my "regular" Marines and I want to make sure including them together in an army makes sense.

I like Word Bearers because they allow for a lot of flexibility in terms of units they can use and background choices. I also really enjoy the books I've read about them. I am also partial to Alpha Legion; you know, chaos without the Chaos. But that might limit my choices (no daemons, really, and no cultists available in the list). I'm trying not to use Black Legion because they seem like the Ultramarines of the Traitor Legions (commonality-wise), and I obviously don't want to pigeon hole myself with World Eaters, Death Guard, Thousand Sons, etc.

So please, help me out! I need to know how to paint my traitors!

Simo429
24-04-2010, 20:40
i pick my armies down to the fluff and BL books so for me id go with either the black legion because they contain everything and abbadon is one of my favourite characters or for the word bearers because they are one of the most 'together' legions and because they were the first to fall to chaos

susu.exp
24-04-2010, 21:02
Well, you can of course go with a Legion and as Simo429 noted, BL are the one that is the least restrictive. Then again you can have some later traitor group, which is the way I went. Iīve restricted myself to Nurgle (before PM were so great - they were OK in 3.5 but now they are almost too good). The other undivided Legions Iīve always thought of as mostly devoid of cult troops. Word Bearers are great, but somehow giving the posterboys for Chaos undivided marks of specific gods seems wrong. The Alpha legion is one that Iīm interested in doing at some point, with a "mirror list", each unit comes in two exact copies and one of them would be green with blue trimmings and scales and the other one would be blue with green trimmings and scales. Iron warriors are another one where I donīt see a lot of Marks, though you can play Berzerkers to count as some non-Khornate "First in the breach" troops. Night Lords Iīm not sure about.

So the options to consider are BL, later traitors (which give you a lot of scope to get creative) and... A Legion force to which cult units are allied. You could have a AL army and include the PMs in it, aiming to have a certain size of undivided at some point. Then you expand the Nurgle section, possibly up to a small army. Then you might add some Berzerkers and again add to them.

Iīve started to add some Slaanesh to my Nurgle army. When that section is big enough, itīll stand alone. Then Iīll probably do the AL...

baphomael
24-04-2010, 21:09
I like Word Bearers because they allow for a lot of flexibility in terms of units they can use and background choices. I also really enjoy the books I've read about them. I am also partial to Alpha Legion; you know, chaos without the Chaos. But that might limit my choices (no daemons, really, and no cultists available in the list). I'm trying not to use Black Legion because they seem like the Ultramarines of the Traitor Legions (commonality-wise),

You say that, but i'm not sure its that true really. While they are kind of the vanilla 'baseline' chaos legion (if such a thing is possible :p) I've seen comparitively few black legion armies - most people get drawn to the strong themes of the Cult legions or the specialised fighting styles and themes of the other legions (like the siege-fighting iron warriors, or the swift terror tactics of the Night Lords).

Personally, I quite like them - but maybe thats just me.

Hushrong
24-04-2010, 21:11
well, you can obviously paint whatever you like.

i gathered up some CSM bitz one night an churned out an iron warrior. he looked good an i liked them in Storm of Iron so i wanted that army. then down the road i felt like making night lords, i like their background, an then soul hunter came out an made them bad-#ss! so i thought to do a combined force warband.

so you can choose a legion an run with them or make a combined warband(so you can get a taste of everything). another thing i talked about with a buddy was that the NL an IW are undivided/dont worship chaos too much..so i am not stuck to one particular god, i can change it up if i wish.

good luck with coming up with a conclusion

Kalishnikov-47
24-04-2010, 21:14
What about Night Lords or Iron Warriors? Those are some cool legions that are overlooked. Alpha Legion is not bad. You could use the Night Lords just like in the BRB the story how they Huron is pretty awesome if you ask me.

Mannimarco
24-04-2010, 21:15
for me its all about nurgle, whichever game I play I always try to take some nurgle list ofr it so mordheim I had a plague carnival, fantasy I had a heavily themed and converted WOC army full of nurgle goodness, 40k its pure nurgle daemons and death guard CSM and servants of decay.

not for the gameplay but simply because nurgle is my favourite chaos god, theres so much there if you look past the whole "god of disease and dispair" thing he has going on

dragonet111
24-04-2010, 21:22
I don't play chaos at 40K but I would go with the thousand sons because I really like their minis (and maybe because I play Tzeentch at WHFB).

Dvnjhn
24-04-2010, 21:44
I created my own chapter to ensure I never restricted myself like I did with my wfb nurgle woc. I have my own sort of fluff, the chapter is called the Brethren - they are more of a radical chaos chapter (if chaos can have radicals) where they have embrassed chaos due to the tricks of Horus, but soon dispand from there legions when they realise they are about to attack the emperor (not that they agree with his autocratical rule, but they dont want to fight on the side of the warp. As they are hounded from Chaos and Imperial alike, they started as a small group who fled near to the warp - gaining more converts to their cause to rid the universe of either Chaos and Imperial dictatorship.

To cut a long story short their return to vassellage and fiefdom have ensured they have a significant resorce base - while there military endevours have allowed them to plunder fro tech - military goods.

But like the BL, I have the freedom to include any unit from nurgle, Khorne etc.

Sergeant Uriel Ventris
24-04-2010, 23:24
Thanks for the input, fellow Warseerians. To restate, I'm definitely not looking for something restrictive like Thousand Sons, Death Guard, or the like. Iron Warriors are pretty cool, but they have more of a distinctive "look" that I'd need conversion kits to really be satisfied with.

I guess I'm stuck choosing between Black Legion and Word Bearers, leaning towards the Bearers. I know they look down upon those that focus on only one Chaos god, but would this mean they would refuse to employ them for their own ends? This is obviously purely from a fluff point of view.

susu.exp
24-04-2010, 23:28
They probably wouldnīt refuse to work with them - they were rather instrumental in getting the HH going and that included coordinating the cult legions. Still the cult troops and god marked ones wouldnīt be WB, but rather allies.

Kalishnikov-47
24-04-2010, 23:40
Night Lords are not too intense in terms of conversion. Neither is Alpha Legion. It is all up to taste.

I think a Night Lord force that has acquired some plague marines for a particular mission is very fluffy.

starlight
25-04-2010, 00:49
Late to the party here, but the only Legions I've had any interest in are Night Lords (using Blood Angel rules) and Alpha Legion (using whatever rules fit my mood... :p ).

The God of Decay
25-04-2010, 00:59
I'd go with The Cleaved....They look pretty nice and neutral, considering they're ghosts. lol. In all seriousness though, Choosing a legion has no effect on your army loadout. So I'd prolly paint up those regular marines in one of the renegade schemes, Like the cleaved, Black Legion, Word Bearers (idk why people like them so much, their color scheme is BLAND), Alpha Legion (same excuse.) I really like the scheme of some of the newer legion choices in the new Chaos Book, like The Purge, and etc.

And yes, Plague Marines and Death Guard are the Shiz!!

TimLeeson
25-04-2010, 01:05
I made my own warband up instead so I could do exactly what I wanted without restrictions or limitations. I find it far more satisfying that way, personally.

Kalishnikov-47
25-04-2010, 01:43
I'd go with The Cleaved....They look pretty nice and neutral, considering they're ghosts. lol. In all seriousness though, Choosing a legion has no effect on your army loadout. So I'd prolly paint up those regular marines in one of the renegade schemes, Like the cleaved, Black Legion, Word Bearers (idk why people like them so much, their color scheme is BLAND), Alpha Legion (same excuse.) I really like the scheme of some of the newer legion choices in the new Chaos Book, like The Purge, and etc.

And yes, Plague Marines and Death Guard are the Shiz!!

Merrr, the Night Lords scheme isnt that bland.....

I def agree with Plague Marines being the best.

antin3
25-04-2010, 04:14
As chaos stands right now, in terms of rules, you can pretty much choose any legion you like and go with whatever suits your fancy. If you want to stay fluffy, which in my opinion is always good, use the codex to "count as" to make the army fit your theme. For instance I am currently rebuilding my chaos army to represent Alpha Legion so I am using lesser demons to "count as" operatives. I am building weapons teams to "count as" oblits. Just go with the legion you like the best and create units from the massive amount of fluff available out there.

Shas'o Kais
25-04-2010, 04:28
Go for Thousand Sons!

Kalishnikov-47
25-04-2010, 05:47
Go with night lords!!

eltanko
25-04-2010, 07:55
Emperor's Children FTW!!!

Alternatively, decide a clour scheme and then which Chaos God it best represents and go with them, or just follow all 4 gods and do whatever you like with your army.

Custom legions are the easiest as you can make it up as you go along and create your own fluff.

ElTanko

Simo429
25-04-2010, 08:17
i think the nightlords can look great but your freehanding has to be to a decent level

Devastator
25-04-2010, 08:21
iw dont need ton of conversions
and we have kick ass battle cry and cake

hummus
25-04-2010, 16:42
I created my own chapter to ensure I never restricted myself like I did with my wfb nurgle woc. I have my own sort of fluff, the chapter is called the Brethren - they are more of a radical chaos chapter (if chaos can have radicals) where they have embrassed chaos due to the tricks of Horus, but soon dispand from there legions when they realise they are about to attack the emperor (not that they agree with his autocratical rule, but they dont want to fight on the side of the warp. As they are hounded from Chaos and Imperial alike, they started as a small group who fled near to the warp - gaining more converts to their cause to rid the universe of either Chaos and Imperial dictatorship.

To cut a long story short their return to vassellage and fiefdom have ensured they have a significant resorce base - while there military endevours have allowed them to plunder fro tech - military goods.

But like the BL, I have the freedom to include any unit from nurgle, Khorne etc.

sounds cool bit like a reverse soul drinkers

Dvnjhn
25-04-2010, 16:46
sounds cool bit like a reverse soul drinkers

Soul Drinkers - going to google that right now.

I had intended to mix imperial sm stuff with chaos, to give the flavour of a mixed force, but I sort of lost interest with them last year.

But due to playing Planet strike I am getting back into 40k and have just painted a land raider.