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the hivemind
28-04-2010, 19:00
do you have any?.

do you use them regularly in your battles, or more rarely as center pieces?.

how do they preform?. are they worth the points you pay for them or are the points better spent elsewhere?

Mannimarco
28-04-2010, 20:50
Ive got a few, a marauder destroyer which never fails to deliver on the table being able to go after medium infantry and light vehicles and a pair of hell blades which I fly as a fighter escort to my hell talonm these arnt as good but are good for the nuisance factor and ensuring air supperiority

bear in mind that to hit them you either need a 6 or an AA mount so they are pretty reliable if a little undergunned (with the exception of the destroyer)

the hivemind
28-04-2010, 22:41
i have been thinking about buying a lightning as CAS for my kriegers.

and i wouldnt say that lightnings are undergunned. longbarreled autocanon for other flyers, and twin-linked lascannons for ground units its pretty good.

add 4 hellstrikes to that and you have plenty of firepower.

you know, i wish there were more dogfights. just playing with ground forces becomes a bit boring when you know that you could have air battles going on as well.

speaking of which, i have always wondered why light fighter aircraft like the lightning, hell blade, nightwing, and such, are heavy support.

wouldnt fast attack be way more in line with what they actually do on the battlefield?.

Archangel_Ruined
28-04-2010, 23:03
If you've not planned to face them they're an absolute pig to bring down. The heavier armed the better is my experience of them, having an untouchable autocannon is all well and good but it's still just an autocannon. A marauder destroyer or thunderhawk on the other hand... If you're considering the lightning I'd pony up the extra and go with the thunderbolt (I think it's better looking, as well as being better armed).

Bunnahabhain
28-04-2010, 23:46
I've got a thunderbolt, and it looks wonderfully Imperial- ugly, angular, brutal, but effective. The armament isn't bad either....

It's nowhere near as powerful as the same points and heavy support slot spent on Codex Guard stuff, - unless you're a *************************************** and don't let people know you're going to be bringing Forgeworld stuff, in which case the difficulty of hitting it, and the mobilty can make them worth their weight in gold ( or resin, whichever is more)

FabricatorGeneralMike
28-04-2010, 23:49
I own a few flyers, Thunderbolt, two Vultures and 3 Valkyries. The thunderbolt was a awsome model to assemble and paint. I have only been able to use to once, but it ripped $h!t up. The most fun I had tho was making the flying base for it. If I ever get a camera I will put some pics up.

If you think a flyer is cool go for it. I would love to have a few marauders kicking around.

It does make a nice centerpiece also. :)

the hivemind
29-04-2010, 00:10
If you've not planned to face them they're an absolute pig to bring down. If you're considering the lightning I'd pony up the extra and go with the thunderbolt (I think it's better looking, as well as being better armed).
hehe. well, my friend plays orks. so to him it doesnt matter all that much if you hit on 5+ or a 6.

and yeah, i probably should buy a thunderbolt. but i kinda like the way the lightning looks.

the hivemind
29-04-2010, 00:16
If you think a flyer is cool go for it. I would love to have a few marauders kicking around.

as would i. but several marauders is quite a bit more than i can afford to pay for;).

Havock
29-04-2010, 01:01
I have a vulture. It is fun, immensely dakka, but about 25% more expensive than a rocket pod valkyrie (no slouch in the anti-horde ability) or the vendetta (which brings 3 big guns on a mobile platform), both of the codex choices have a transport capacity. This one, has not.

The fun thing is that its a heavy support slot, so ou can indeed make an airmobile list with veterans in vendetta/valkyries and dedicated gunships as well.

Dach
29-04-2010, 03:46
got a Vampire hunter...

Do I need to tell you that he smack titan for breakfast, lunch and diner...

:D

AndrewGPaul
29-04-2010, 09:22
you know, i wish there were more dogfights. just playing with ground forces becomes a bit boring when you know that you could have air battles going on as well.

That's not what 40K is for. Buy Aeronautica Imperialis if you want aerial combat. If you have a spare indoor football pitch you can even play it using 40K-scale miniatures.


speaking of which, i have always wondered why light fighter aircraft like the lightning, hell blade, nightwing, and such, are heavy support.

wouldnt fast attack be way more in line with what they actually do on the battlefield?.

No, because they generally act in the same way as a Thunderbolt or Maruader (or even a tank squadron, really); to apply heavy firepower to a particular point, when needed. In something like AI, yes, light fighters act differently, but in the context of ground combat, they're all doing the same thing.

the hivemind
29-04-2010, 11:07
That's not what 40K is for. Buy Aeronautica Imperialis if you want aerial combat. If you have a spare indoor football pitch you can even play it using 40K-scale miniatures.



No, because they generally act in the same way as a Thunderbolt or Maruader (or even a tank squadron, really); to apply heavy firepower to a particular point, when needed. In something like AI, yes, light fighters act differently, but in the context of ground combat, they're all doing the same thing.

yes, but Aeronautica Imperialis is all about aerial combat.
i would kinda want to see more of the smaller airfraft be used as close air support.

hell, the lightning is more of a dive bomber than a fighter as i is.

also: are you really comparing a light or heavy fighter to a bomber in the way they function in the battlefield?.

Promethius
29-04-2010, 12:29
I have a lightning fighter and it's great. I really like the wing design, nice and agile looking. It's a great fast unit for my otherwise slow moving guard army.

AbusePuppy
29-04-2010, 12:57
Ia! Ia! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtan!

the hivemind
29-04-2010, 17:26
Ia! Ia! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtan!
funny. but real fans worship nyarlathotep.

Sildani
29-04-2010, 17:28
Funny.

There are rules for flyer vs. flyer combat in Imperial Armour: Apocalypse II. Also rules for flyers crashing.

@the hivemind: In terms of 40K, AndrewGPaul has it spot on. All the flyers bring highly mobile and survivable heavy weapons to the battlefield. The only difference between them is how many of the weapons they bring. Because of that, they all pretty much qualify for heavy support. Shoot, the Eldar Phoenix is a close-support aircraft but for the longest time GW called it the "Phoenix bomber". The Eldar don't really have a bomber, and I wish they did.

silentsmoke
29-04-2010, 17:46
I have two vendettas, two vultures, a thunderbolt and a Marauder Destroyer. All well worth it in there own way.

BigBadBull
29-04-2010, 19:33
T-bolt
WIP Thunderhawk ( got the interior painted, working on interior lights waiting on parts, Wings on two nights ago)
6 Remoras
1 Tigershark AX-0-II
New Vulture

Have used friends Marauders ( both types) the Destroyer is nails against hordes and light armor (2 x Flame storm template bombs , hellstorm Missiles, AC mounts).

The Tbolt is/was ( rule change lost AA mount on the 4x AC) against other Air , and rapid interdiction ( 4 bombs & TL Las)

Tigershark is just scary, may get 2 more. 120" range 10" "D" strength that is TL main weapon.... that has an Multiple Armor points and "Close in" rapid fire/salvo weapons. It can pummel any AA in the game from far out of range and can eat ground formations for lunch and come back for more.

FabricatorGeneralMike
30-04-2010, 04:01
as would i. but several marauders is quite a bit more than i can afford to pay for;).

But who says you have to buy them? I am making a titan out of plastic card right now. IMHO when I am done it will look bling bling... =o]

Honestly tho, I think mauraders are the $hit, I would like to get one, but I know about the cash flow cruch. :cries:

Logarithm Udgaur
30-04-2010, 06:58
I just recently finished a Hell Talon that I have had in the works for a year or so. I have only got to use it in one game so far, and it had a negligible effect (killed some SoB with firebombs) as it did not show up until turn three, and we called the game on turn 4 (I won).

RCgothic
30-04-2010, 07:23
I have a maruader destroyer, which has pulled its weight in every battle it's been in so far, and a lightning, which the marauder keeps shooting down with its twin-linked assault cannon and heavy bolters. Since the Lightning has recieved quite a buff in IA:A2, I expect it to start pulling its weight from now on.

Spacker
30-04-2010, 12:54
I've got 5 Valkyries and 2 Vultures, which cover my air cav pretty well. The Valks are pretty much a given for an IG force. I also have a Lightning (still in box) and Thunderbolt to round out the Navy support. For my Eldar I have 2 Phoenix and a Vampire Raider, but I've not had chance to use them in a 40k game as yet.

Sildani
30-04-2010, 13:35
How was the Vampire's assembly? How'd you get the heavy wings to stay on? I'm always curious to hear how Vampires get built.

Spacker
30-04-2010, 16:50
How was the Vampire's assembly? How'd you get the heavy wings to stay on? I'm always curious to hear how Vampires get built.

The Vampire wings have locating prongs at the end that fit inside the body to stop them pulling outwards. I then put the roof on and drilled a couple of 1mm holes down through the roof, wing mounts, and into the body, and inserted some 1mm diameter carbon fibre rod (brass or other metal would do fine too, I just happened to have carbon fibre kicking around spare). These rods keep the wings in place and lock the roof to the body. There's actually enough fricton with the carbon fibre rods that I didn't glue them, and this allows me to dismantle the Vampire for transporting. I also did this with the cockpit and engines too.

If you want, and I have time, I could post pics on my site.

Finn
05-05-2010, 03:20
as would i. but several marauders is quite a bit more than i can afford to pay for;).

Build one/several. I've found mine to be rather easy - granted I'm cheating a bit and using a 1/36 (or is it 1/35?) scale EWACS aircraft of some sort as a base, but it's been pretty darn easy. Just need to do the ventral heavy bolter mount and the cockpit, then some detail work, and it'll be finished.

Also built a Thunderbolt pretty quickly out of a 1/48 BF-109 and some plasticard.

That said, the only Forgeworld flier I'll ever buy is a Hell Talon ($70-ish USD isn't a bad deal honestly, especially for a model that would be so hard to replicate from scratch). Unless of course my disposable income ratio skyrockets.

MajorWesJanson
05-05-2010, 03:42
I've got a Vendetta, a Vulture, and a Tigershark AX-1-0. August I may grab a second Vulture and 2 more Vendetta kits along with a Reaver and some Elysian stuff.

Sleazy
05-05-2010, 11:50
I have a Phoenix and a Barracuda. Havent used either in games though.

Irbian
05-05-2010, 11:59
scratchbuild thunderbolt, but I don play so I dont use it