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clarkey1991
29-04-2010, 10:59
Hey guys

i was wondering what the average point size of a game was. Im new to the hobby and was thinking i would only buy the bare essentials to my space marine army, rather than buying everything variant available.

cheers

clarkey

Oguleth
29-04-2010, 11:22
This is hugely dependant on area and gaming group. I'd hazard a guess at 1500 and 1750 as the most common game sizes most places, however.

clarkey1991
29-04-2010, 11:36
ahh ok, so if i make my a make a 1750 amry list ive got all bases covered, thanks man.
what about tournaments rather than friendly games? or is it down to the duration of the tournament etc

AFnord
29-04-2010, 11:37
Don't go for the "basic" straight away, start small, play a few games at smaller point levels, before you move up to the standard levels. And small games can actually be just as fun as larger ones, as unit preservation becomes far more important.
Over here 1750 is the norm, everyone plays it at that point level.

*edit*
Tournaments over here are also 1750points (sometimes 1850 points, and once in a blue moon 1500 or 2000 points).

solvay
29-04-2010, 11:39
i know in england that the gts are 1500 points and seem to set the standard for local tournaments and local stores the majority of the time

however there have been a few popping up at 1750 or 1800

personally id recommend getting a 2k list then you have all covered and a small amount of variation is possible in your smaller lists

x-esiv-4c
29-04-2010, 11:42
Around here, anything between 1500-2000 really.

Hypaspist
29-04-2010, 11:45
1750 is standard for these parts, but as mentioned above, I'd suggest prepare yourselve some variations on 1500-2000 and you should be all set :)

Thylacine
29-04-2010, 11:56
Tournaments are 1750 points in OZ, some of the southern states have 1500 but we see less and less of them.

Vaktathi
29-04-2010, 12:00
2K in most places I play. I don't know of anywhere I've ever played where anything below 1750 was the norm.

Redrivertears
29-04-2010, 12:02
Hey there,

I think most games vary around the 1500 - 2000 mark.

However, I would strongly encourage you to start smaller. This allows you to get a feel for your army, which units you want to include, what kind of play style you like, and basically what works for you.

Without such experience, its very easy to end up buying models which you might like the look of, but end up never actually using. Or buying models which you think might work great at first, until actual experience with them makes you not want to use them anymore (either because they're not as effective as you thought, or simply because they don't fit into the style of army you like to play).

So, try to find some players who can start you off at the 500 mark, get some games under your belt, and slowly build up. That would likely serve you better then buying the entire thing in one go.

-Redrivertears-

clarkey1991
29-04-2010, 12:05
ahh ok, i may just start off with a 1250 army, then steadily build up, to the tournament sized armies

The Marshel
29-04-2010, 12:10
amougst my usual opponents its 2000.

i;d advise having a 1500, 1750 and 2000 point list. that should keep you well covered

Eldoriath
29-04-2010, 12:16
1500-2000 points is the most common here in Sweden, a bit depending on which end in the country one lives in.

Grand Warlord
29-04-2010, 12:16
In the US the last GT limits were 1850 so a lot of the RTTs here are around that number .... 1750 to 2250

Eldoriath
29-04-2010, 12:16
1500-2000 points is the most common here in Sweden, a bit depending on which end in the country one lives in.

clarkey1991
29-04-2010, 12:38
Ahh ok, so it would seem if i were to start attending GT's most probs at warhammer world, i would have to have quite a sizeable army. there goes all my monies lol

Born Again
29-04-2010, 13:56
I've always considered the "standard" game to be 1500. I see a lot of people playing 1750 these days, but I'm not a fan of it and think it's basically people wanting to cram in a few extra power fists and other upgrades onto their characters without sacrificing actual troops.

I've found that 1k point games can also be great fun though, as you can't really afford any "throw away" units, everything becomes crucial and it makes you think about what you really need/ want to take in the army, you have to budget your list writing a bit more.

Nezalhualixtlan
29-04-2010, 14:41
i was wondering what the average point size of a game was.

We usually play 2000pts. 1500 & 1850 are common enough, but not fielded all that often, our standard is definitely 2k, and my personal favorite point level to play at because the smaller games seem to cut out some of the complexity you can achieve in the game with the additional points.

Reaver83
29-04-2010, 14:48
Normally where I play it's 1.5K, but it's being more and more common now to play 1750.

sliganian
29-04-2010, 14:51
For what it is worth, once upon a time, all of the Codexes were play tested for the 1,500 game.

Latro_
29-04-2010, 14:52
Normal sized game in the UK in general is 1500pts, differs elsquare, think the US is ore like 1750.

2000pts very rarely, but not unheard of for me.

We'v started playing 1000pts sometimes for quick games, esp round mates house games night with 10+ of us.

i'v never played a 1750pt game ever.

Shas'o Kais
29-04-2010, 15:03
Standard game is usually 1500-2000 points, and team games are usually 3-4k per side.

David5th
29-04-2010, 15:05
1,500 - 2000 points i would say is average.

senorcardgage
29-04-2010, 15:09
I normally play at my local GW and unfortunately 1000 is the norm there.

Tournament play seems to very commonly be in the 1500-2000 point range.

Omniassiah
29-04-2010, 15:58
US is normally in the 1850, 2000, or 2250 range occasionally lower. My time in Europe has shown that they usually go a bit lower, often being closer to 1000 with 1500 being mid to high mid range.

you can play a decent game at 500, at 1000 you can start seeing some more tactics come about. I suggest working in 500 point chunks at a time

Crovax20
29-04-2010, 16:37
If you are just starting out I would first aim at 500 points. After that aim for 1000 points etc.

In my experience most people are willing enough to play a small game, since they take less time and are a nice change every now and then. The average game size that is most played however would be between 1500 and 2000 I reckon.

clarkey1991
29-04-2010, 16:50
just bought a dreadnought off ebay im one step closer to an army :P

Alessander
29-04-2010, 17:08
back in Denver, the game clubs usually had 2,000 being the standard.

in Omaha, 1500 seems to be the norm.

jesusjohn
29-04-2010, 18:11
I play either 1000 or 1500. For quick games it's 750. Marines do suffer i think under 1000 though as once you have your comand and Tac squads you havn't got much to play with.

Project2501
29-04-2010, 18:29
I've always considered the "standard" game to be 1500. I see a lot of people playing 1750 these days, but I'm not a fan of it and think it's basically people wanting to cram in a few extra power fists and other upgrades onto their characters without sacrificing actual troops.

I've found that 1k point games can also be great fun though, as you can't really afford any "throw away" units, everything becomes crucial and it makes you think about what you really need/ want to take in the army, you have to budget your list writing a bit more.


I don't know if it's pessimism loving company or that we were raised (hobby wise) the same way, but I completely agree.

LonelyPath
29-04-2010, 22:23
Where I live it's generally 1500 or 2000 points, but now and then there is a little variation, but not mch. If you build a force that can be run at both 1500 and 2000 you can't really go wrong.

Bunnahabhain
29-04-2010, 22:31
1500-2000 is normal for me.

If you're after marines, it is hard to beat getting two of the Assault on Black Reach sets, and selling on the Orks and spare rules etc. They are really good value, and provide a solid core to the army.

wazatdingder
29-04-2010, 22:42
Generally, we play around 10,000 each... With the Kill Team rules... No special characters of course.

Thud
29-04-2010, 22:46
Generally, we play around 10,000 each... With the Kill Team rules... No special characters of course.

Just to keep the games quick and easy? :p

Around here we moved from 1500 to 1750 about a year ago, and I couldn't imagine going back.

clarkey1991
29-04-2010, 22:55
10,000? sounds a bit extreme lol, i think i stick witha tenth of that lol, it seems the general rule of thumb is 1500, and that size seems the one to bring the most out of the game, so its a no brainer lol. thanks for the advice, i will post my army list as soon as its written

LonelyPath
29-04-2010, 22:59
Generally, we play around 10,000 each... With the Kill Team rules... No special characters of course.

Ummm... why? lol

ReveredChaplainDrake
29-04-2010, 23:49
I feel that the codecies I have (Chaos Marines as primary, Tyranids as secondary) tend to favor 2000-pt lists. So, I usually go 2000 and up, otherwise most of the Codex will wind up looking useless.

I agree with BornAgain's idea that smaller games mean you need to pick your army a lot more carefully. I disagree, however, with BornAgain's assumption that this is a good thing. First of all, "throwaway units" are a perfectly viable tactic, and some armies are designed to do this on purpose, in order to capitalize on an even bigger yield for your sacrifice. Second, maybe it's just because neither Chaos Marines nor Tyranids have such great internal balance, but smaller games force you to use the best units in exclusion of other units that are good, but not necessarily the best possible unit for the points you pay. When playing larger games, you get to be a little more charitable with your points and can field some more questionably-effective units that you like. This larger scope also lets you field units that mesh together in more complex formations, greatly extending the viability of units that you wouldn't even consider in smaller games.

2099
30-04-2010, 00:09
We play 1,000 Pts. around here.

Playing smaller games allows you to pay attention to the details of the game. If you really want to learn your army's strengths and weakness? Try it in a smaller setting, where you don't have four different units that do the same thing.

It's also sensible goal to fielding a fully painted force on the table.

Raven1
30-04-2010, 00:11
I started out with around 500 points,and jumped to 1500 points. My friends and I play 2000 points generally.

Creeping Dementia
30-04-2010, 00:49
I haven't played a game at less than 2000pts in a very long time. Thats the standard at both the stores around here, but 2500 is played a lot too due to Ard Boyz.

bigirishgeneral
30-04-2010, 04:57
Ya, some experience at low point games is invaluable but don't forget when you get to higher points you obviously see harder targets. A tac squad without a powerfist may work well at 500pts but certainly not the case at 1500.

dragonet111
30-04-2010, 06:08
With my friends we almost always play 1500 pts games because it's enough to field shiny things but not enough to have a very cheesy list (I know it's possible do create a cheesy list but we don't do it because we are not in the cheese business:D)

and we also use the rules of 40k in 40 minutes because it's fun and quick and we can have many games in an afternoon and also because 40k in 40 minutes is a good way to teach the basic rules to a new player.

Santasbluehelper
30-04-2010, 06:24
For me it depends on the opponent, the tournaments i attend typically range from 1500-1750 points, but more often I play with one of my friends and they have very different ideas what is the ideal points value, one wants to play smaller 1000-1500 points battles and another one is only happy if we go above 2000 points.

Balerion
30-04-2010, 07:07
For what it is worth, once upon a time, all of the Codexes were play tested...
Oh. My. God. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Oh, to live in such a wondrous time....

cyphertheory
30-04-2010, 09:23
Oh. My. God. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Oh, to live in such a wondrous time....

i lol'ed hard...

mughi3
30-04-2010, 11:32
Back in 3rd ed 1,850 seemed to be the normal game size, but it keeps going up in our area. 2k is pretty standard for tournaments but our group usually goes for 2,250 for a normal game now.



It is pretty odd that england has pretty well stayed at 1,500 when the US was 1,850 and then jumped to 2,000. i guess we just like more bling on the table. :p

sliganian
30-04-2010, 12:52
Oh. My. God. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Oh, to live in such a wondrous time....

:D

Truth is, I was involved in testing every Codex from the Chaos 3.5 up until Codex: Daemons.

Remember: just because playtesters point things out doesn't mean the Studio (or more specifically, the people the studio reports too... :shifty:) have to listen to what we said. :(

Born Again
30-04-2010, 14:18
I don't know if it's pessimism loving company or that we were raised (hobby wise) the same way, but I completely agree.

A kindred gaming spirit. The change between 1500 and 1750 seemed to happen when I took a few years away from the game. Before then, such a points value was unheard of. I came back in to the hobby and saw 1750 lists all over the net and thought it was a bit weird, to be honest. It wasn't enough to really do much with: one extra squad or beefing up all your characters. I totally understand it: many a time I have written a list and wanted to those few extra points to get something you really want. But I thought points values were a limit, this seems more like a mutual agreement to go "just a bit over" the 1500 limit.