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Hrw-Amen
01-05-2010, 16:11
After several SM chapter codex releases, does anyone know or have any inkling if there are likely to be any regiment/army specific guard releases, in the same manner as we used to have the Catachans/Steel Legion etc?

I realise that the IG codex has a wide variety of equipment already, but then so does the generic SM codex.

Bunnahabhain
01-05-2010, 16:24
Yes. It's called Forge World. They love doing more guard stuff....

Besides, there are still all the classic ranges available through the GW website.

Chem-Dog
01-05-2010, 16:26
Three words
Not-Gunna-Happen

Sorry but it's not likely in any way shape or form. Now you can argue that IG regiments differ far more significantly than the various SM chapters that are blessed with a separate Codex, and I would agree with you, but I would honestly be EXTREMELY surprised if we saw IG variants, as nice as it would be to have Deathworld Vets, Steel Legion, Drop Troops and whatnot, I doubt GW can see the profit in releasing them. :(

bigcheese76
01-05-2010, 16:27
Well there used to be codex catachan and I personally would love to see a release of Codex Mordia. If it was released I would definately collect an army and the chances of plastic Mordians would increase. However I dont think it is likely that GW would create multiple guard books again as FW already have a DKOK specific book and GW sales of Cadian IG and the standard codex are probably very high.

Vaktathi
01-05-2010, 16:30
After several SM chapter codex releases, does anyone know or have any inkling if there are likely to be any regiment/army specific guard releases, in the same manner as we used to have the Catachans/Steel Legion etc?

I realise that the IG codex has a wide variety of equipment already, but then so does the generic SM codex.

The basic IG codex allows you to field a wider variety of armies than most of the SM codex's combined.

FW has more specialized lists, which, could honestly also be rolled into the IG codex with the addition of just a couple units (valks as dedicated transports, Quad Launcher Thudd guns, etc)

I highly doubt we'd ever see a regiment specific IG codex in the way SM's get their books, there's little need (just as, honestly, there's *no* reason to have as many SM books as we have now, most are just FoC swaps or slight stat adjustments) and duplicates of anything but SM's isn't anything GW want's to deal with apparently. Also, it'd then mean that every tiny little faction would start wanting it's own sub-codex's (e.g. Catachan's, Krieg, Inyanden, Ulthwe, Speed Freaks, Farsight, etc)

It'd be cool to have Codex: Steel Legion, Codex: Death Korps of Krieg, Codex: Catachan, etc but I don't see it ever happening.

Chiron
01-05-2010, 17:27
I'd be happy just with more miniatures rather than more books, the normal Cadians are hideous

Creeping_Death
01-05-2010, 21:51
Well there used to be codex catachan and I personally would love to see a release of Codex Mordia.

Offtopic but just how old is that Codex? I don't hold any interest in Guard but I am just wondering how old the codex is seeing as my local Games Workshop is still trying to sell them for 18...

Ontopic; If games workshop started producing a Codex for each guard regiment the Chaos SM players would be up in arms about it happening before individual Legion codicies (and me with them!).

antin3
01-05-2010, 22:15
I agree with Vaktathi on the codex, it allows for tons of variation, I think it is one of the better written out there. We used to have chapter approved way back in the day and WD would be a great platform to include the types of variant lists you are talking about, but I don't see that happening.
Like Chiron, I would just like more mini's I like the Cadians but I would probably squeal like a 12 year old girl if GW released a Mordian/Praetorian guard sprue.

Tommygun
01-05-2010, 22:35
They won't be doing any codex's, but they will still release new minis like the Vostroyan.

Olja
02-05-2010, 00:05
Not really needed, GW could do any list as an article in White Dwarf (might give somebody reason to buy it). The only true IG codex (not list) ever written was for Catachans. Even with all the special jungle fighting rules they still got pwned by MEQs.

IG would be far better served by new miniatures to add to the range.

chromedog
02-05-2010, 01:00
Offtopic but just how old is that Codex? I don't hold any interest in Guard but I am just wondering how old the codex is seeing as my local Games Workshop is still trying to sell them for 18...



It's copyright (c) 2000.
Puts it in 3rd ed or so. Typeface used on the cover is also for the 3rd ed.

Your local store should be slapped. They should have been withdrawn from sale considering it's been available as a FREE download from GW for years.

shaga
02-05-2010, 10:15
Why not make your own mini codex.
Thats what ive do great fun as long as every one else agrees.
Ive done my own chaos guard.
BLOODPACT and NURGLE LOST AND DAMMED.
Used basic guard list ,got rid of units that didnot fit.
Added new ones that did.
FW vraks lists came up with some alternert units.
Ive been thinking about Gaunts Ghosts list maybe next.
Thinking camoline allround.And make some characters for units.

Creeping_Death
02-05-2010, 19:46
It's copyright (c) 2000.
Puts it in 3rd ed or so. Typeface used on the cover is also for the 3rd ed.

Your local store should be slapped. They should have been withdrawn from sale considering it's been available as a FREE download from GW for years.

Wow... They had about 4-5 copies sitting out on the shelf alongside the normal IG codex. I guess they're just trying to make some money of a few uninformed customers :wtf:

sigur
02-05-2010, 19:49
I think they're trying to get rid of stock instead of just throwing it away. :)

carlisimo
02-05-2010, 21:06
The codex covers all the variation the IG needs, but they do deserve new minis. I like Cadians, but the Catachans were ugly from the start. Either way, two sets of figures aren't enough to cover all the variety.

I guess the sales figures don't support it though.

Lord Cook
03-05-2010, 00:44
Variant Imperial Guard lists will never happen. The codex we have now can cover virtually any type of army anyway, and with a few additional units and some major points readjustments even the more unusual ones would actually be competitive.

Realistically, no one needs variant books. The Space Marines get them anyway because they are lavished with unnecessary (but profitable) attention. Chaos would not need them either if only their codex had been competently written. As it stands it wasn't, so they are rather unfortunate, but one well-written Chaos codex could cover each legion without being broken.

carlisimo
03-05-2010, 06:01
The Space Marines get them anyway because they are lavished with unnecessary (but profitable) attention.

I think it's largely because of the fluff. Space Marines have really had THAT much written about them. Imperial Guard haven't.

Misfratz
03-05-2010, 09:45
...I dont think it is likely that GW would create multiple guard books again as ... GW sales of Cadian IG and the standard codex are probably very high.The higher the sales of IG miniatures now, the greater the likelihood of the release of further IG Codices and miniatures for different regiments. This is the *only* reason that GW release numerous Codices and plastic sets for the different Space Marine chapters - they sell well enough to justify the extra investment.

If, for example, sales of Eldar were to suddenly go through the roof, one would expect to see more Eldar models and Codices for the separate Craftworlds, and even Exodites, to follow.

Erwos
03-05-2010, 14:03
The only kind of IG army that the current codex can't really represent in some form is a pure tank company (vs. the very popular mechanized company). But, given the current vehicle and cover rules, I have doubts as to the effectiveness of such a formation anyways.

I suppose it also doesn't do a good job of traitor IG (be it Chaos or just rebel), but that's really more of a plea for a new Lost and the Damned Codex.

Bunnahabhain
03-05-2010, 14:48
The only kind of IG army that the current codex can't really represent in some form is a pure tank company (vs. the very popular mechanized company). But, given the current vehicle and cover rules, I have doubts as to the effectiveness of such a formation anyways.

I suppose it also doesn't do a good job of traitor IG (be it Chaos or just rebel), but that's really more of a plea for a new Lost and the Damned Codex.

Really? How does 6 tank squadrons- 3 medium, 3 heavy- with up to 6 platoons of mechanised infantry, 2 company command squads with Command and control assets, and 3 squads of specialised, heavily armoured assualt troops not cover a tank company fairly well?

A pure tank company is a very, very rare sight indeed. They virtually always have some mechanised infantry with them, the only question is ratio of tanks to IFVs...

Erwos
03-05-2010, 14:58
Really? How does 6 tank squadrons- 3 medium, 3 heavy- with up to 6 platoons of mechanised infantry, 2 company command squads with Command and control assets, and 3 squads of specialised, heavily armoured assualt troops not cover a tank company fairly well?
This would be a mechanized infantry company supported by tanks, and I suspect it would do quite well. I'm not sure where you think I wrote that it wouldn't. Let me put this in a way the reading-challenged amongst us can understand: pure tank companies consisting of all tanks, no infantry, would not do well in 5th edition, in my opinion. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's my reading of the rules. I could envision some alterations of the rules to fix that, but as they are, no, they would not seem viable, especially if your opponent knew they were coming ahead of time.


A pure tank company is a very, very rare sight indeed. They virtually always have some mechanised infantry with them, the only question is ratio of tanks to IFVs...
They're not just "very, very rare", they appear to be officially impossible with just the codex. This was supposed to be my main point, which appears to have been missed: you cannot field a pure tank company with the current IG codex.

Bunnahabhain
03-05-2010, 15:18
The point I was trying to make is that both in real life, and in the 40k background, pure tank companies are very, very, very rare. There is virtually always an amount of mechanised infantry with them, i.e. a tank company includes mechanised infantry.

Therefore the codex can represent them fine.

GrogDaTyrant
03-05-2010, 15:30
GW's current mantra is 'Thou Shalt Not Have Variant Army Lists'. Oh, and Codex Blood Angels was just released... :rolleyes:

Seriously though, it's exceedingly lame. They've spent so much dev time making codices for all these variations to the Loyalist Marines, and there isn't likely to be anything for the countless regimental variations of the IG, or the diverse Clans, or even the Craftworlds or Chaos Legions. Basically GW's current attitude is that they'd rather waste a bunch of development time and moneys on 'Codex: Space Sharks', or 'Codex: Silver Skulls', while not even bothering to grace any other faction with so much as a hastily-written PDF or WD article. This continued emphasis on telling the non-SM portion of the community to 'go make-do with the codex we give you, while we continue work on the Teal Marine codex', is a major part of the reason why I've begun to look towards much less biased game systems.

Erwos
03-05-2010, 16:02
The point I was trying to make is that both in real life, and in the 40k background, pure tank companies are very, very, very rare.
I'm not sure I agree that pure tank companies are all that rare in the 40k universe - it's just that "main character sits in tank, shoots stuff" does not make for exciting fluff or novels, which is why you hear less about them. Imperial Armour seems to promote tank companies somewhat heavily.

I would certainly agree that infantry-oriented companies are more common, of course.

AngryAngel
03-05-2010, 19:36
Really? How does 6 tank squadrons- 3 medium, 3 heavy- with up to 6 platoons of mechanised infantry, 2 company command squads with Command and control assets, and 3 squads of specialised, heavily armoured assualt troops not cover a tank company fairly well?

A pure tank company is a very, very rare sight indeed. They virtually always have some mechanised infantry with them, the only question is ratio of tanks to IFVs...

Considering most 40k kinds of battles end up rather WW2ish. I think the design for a few main battle tanks and mechanized infantry is the way they wish the guard tank companies to work. As such was a main staple of the armored formations of the times. Just tanks is a bit vulnerable and while it seems cool, ground pounding troops are needed. A full tank list would be a little ehhh, imo.

The historical tank companies "had" to have mech infantry with them to support them. As there are certain things that just tanks could not accomplish. The idea of mechanized infantry and heavy tanks working hand in hand was the very essence of the armored blitz that the germans used in WW2. Which is a heavy inspiration for alot of 40k's style of battles and unit uses. So the codex does, I'd have to agree, portray them just fine.

Plenty of variety in the new guard codex that it doesn't need a bunch of varied books with it.