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blacksmith
20-02-2006, 20:33
Anyone who watches the IG treadead thread may know I've started an armoured company, and heres my thread for it! Hopefully this will keep me on track and give me some motivation to work at it and get it done.

It will proceed as fast as the funds for it become available and as fast as the royal mail can get the FW stuff to me.

Ok so heres what ive got so far. I made this sentinel (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/Sentinel1lefthigh.jpg) to try out a grey urban camo scheme.Pictures a bit blurry but you get the picture. I didnt like it!

So then i went out a got me a 'russ. Heres the only WIP (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1301leftWIP.jpg) shot I currently have of it but this one is almost complete. Its just missing tracks and some bits from the accesories sprue. (Ill post a pic when I find the camera, yes it really is lost damit!) This one mainly to try out the new colour scheme, which I like and am going to use, and some weathering effects etc.

So heres what I have planned for the next few build days, whenever they are.

1)Make some sort of army list so I know what im buying next.
2)Paint up the old chimera model I found and try and improve on the russ model.
3)Build and paint to a fantastic standard the fw hellhound I got, fell in love with and am itching to paint but dont want to because im scared of doing a bad job on it:cries:
4) Buy the required models to fill the 1HQ 2TROOPS.
5) Expand from there...um...yea

t-tauri
20-02-2006, 22:55
So you're going with the green/black western Europe type colour? I prefer that to the grey on the sentinel-it looks like you've left it bare plastic.

Killshot
20-02-2006, 23:12
I agree with t-tauri, I thought that the Sentinel hadn't been painted at first. If you go with the grey color scheme I recommend deep shading and highlighting to set the colors apart.

AventineCrusader
21-02-2006, 09:55
I agree with t-tauri, I thought that the Sentinel hadn't been painted at first. If you go with the grey color scheme I recommend deep shading and highlighting to set the colors apart.

Ditto, the guy inside look real good from what I can see though...

Crusader

malika
21-02-2006, 10:50
woah totally insane stuff! Good to see thud guns and rapier laser return!

blacksmith
21-02-2006, 20:22
So you're going with the green/black western Europe type colour?

This was my inspiration completely! From a challenger 1 tank (http://www.battletanks.com/images/Challenger_1-3.jpg)model I have.

Thanks, first time ive painted IG uniform properly instead of power armour. Hope any troops I get look at least as good as the sentinel pilot.

Anyway, found the camera and here is the most up to date picture i have of 1301 (the leman russ) Its probably 90% done, so those of you who dont want to spoil the suprise for when its complete, look away NOW! (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1301WIP90.jpg)

Also, to prove to you and myself that I am making progress, heres the next tank on the production line (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1602WIP.jpg). Its the old chimera I found lying around and has (since this photo was taken earlier) had the 6th laz gun fitted and the smoke launcher temporarily removed, and is now covered in a black undercoat. Work will commence on that one when ive finished the russ.

Thats it for now folks...

Animerik
22-02-2006, 19:49
ahh love the smooothe colour on the tank perfect for guards! smooth and still batteltorn lovely keep it up!

blacksmith
22-02-2006, 21:03
Finished it! And have just taken some pictures. Theyre a bit dark but the lighting isnt very good in here. (I can always take some more in daylight when I get a day off work)

Anyway, heres what 1301 looks like.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1301front3-4.jpg

And from the front
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1301front.jpg

And the back of it
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1301highrear3-4.jpg

The turret
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1301turret.jpg

more to come......

blacksmith
22-02-2006, 21:09
... and a side shot of it
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1301leftside.jpg

Im achieving the nice smooth finish by using lots (about 7 for the d.a.g.) of very watered down coats for the dark angels green and chaos black base colours before adding highlights and drybrushes using catachan green/camo green and my own mix/codex grey (respectively).

I know ive missed a few mould lines, but ill get over it this time. I dont like the way the muddy dusty effect has turned out so im hoping it will work better on the chimera. I also need to find some matt varnish to put over the number decals to make them less shiny. Annnd, I need to re think where im going to put any chipped paint effects, as the brown has covered most of them up. Phew, lots of lessons learnt with this one!

Ive also started to basecoat the chimera with DA green, but it will be a few days before that gets any work done on it as im busy for a few days now.

If the pics havent worked, hell know's my computer was playing up trying to upload them to photobucket, theres the link in my sig.


Blacksmith

t-tauri
22-02-2006, 21:11
Nice. Very NATO.

Scorpio
22-02-2006, 21:22
well done blacksmith. truely well done. the muddy effect may not have worked out the way you wanted but the tank still looks great!

blacksmith
27-02-2006, 22:45
Just so you dont think ive given up on this project, heres what I have accomplished over the last 2 days.

The paintjob so far on 1602
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1602WIP2.jpg

And the sexy parts of the sexy FW sexy hellhound. 1403.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1403WIP.jpg

Theyve only been washed so far. They, and the tank, needs everything else doing to them. But I wont be starting that till 1602 is done.

GRRR, angry me.Just looked at the work rota and won't have another day off until next sunday damit! Looks like major progress will have to wait for another 6 days again. God work sucks.

Nite all

blacksmith
02-03-2006, 19:37
Just an update on the bit of progress ive made in the past dayish.

Heres what 1602 looks like now (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1602WIP3.jpg). Finished his camo. Need to do weathering, glassy bits and the heavy stubber and bolter. Im going to try and do one thing off that list later tonight if I can.

Slightly away from the chimera, heres (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Miscitem1.jpg) what I made last night between getting in from work and the football.

These have spawned some ideas in my head. Think the fire extinguisher will have to go on the hellhound. The WD40 onto the russ's maybe(or anything else I suppose). And for the HQ tank when I get it, does anyone else think the arm on the tank accessory sprue that is meant to hold the binoculars look like it could also be holding, I dunno, say, a pint? (drunk in charge of a pie plate firing boom stick, I think so!)

That all for now folks.

blacksmith
06-03-2006, 20:12
Here we go, Ive (good enough) finished 1602, and heres some pics.

Front left
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1602frontleft3-4.jpg

Front right
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1602frontright3-4.jpg

The top(to see the camo pattern if you want)
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1602top.jpg

The back
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1602rear.jpg

More to come...

blacksmith
06-03-2006, 20:16
...the front
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1602frontagain.jpg

A close up of some damage ive tried out on this
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1602bullethits.jpg

And then a shot of the current Armoured Company :D
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/ACv1.jpg

The only reason its not finished is because I cant decide where to put the ID number yet, or if to have a heavy stubber or storm bolter.

Don't know why the blue glass apears as flat and green as it has, but they are a nice shade of blue from dark to light, just how it should be.

Right, severe C and C is wanted now! Nothing you can say will make me love them less, but I hope it will help me improve on the next tank.

Thanks all

Evilhomer
06-03-2006, 20:37
Hi mate,

The camo scheme is looking grand... the great thing about that colour scheme is the more models you have, the better the army as a whole will look ;)!

If you want to bring out the glass abit more, why not gloss varnish it?

Lavfluris
06-03-2006, 21:18
The only reason its not finished is because I cant decide where to put the ID number yet, or if to have a heavy stubber or storm bolter.I would suggest putting the ID number just above the driver's hatch.

blacksmith
24-03-2006, 11:00
Long time no post, so heres just an update on the small amount of progress ive made (did I mention im in no hurry)

The chimera ive just built is now being use to try out the different weathering effects I might want to use. Im haooy with the way im going to do muddy dust on it, ive found how I want to do the effect of rusty water running down the panels and how im going to do rusty bolts.

This is the bolts result
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1602bolts2.jpg
The bolts on the left side have been done with brown ink, the bolts on the right (around the HB) have been done with 2 coats of watered down scorched brown. I like the scorched brown way better and its a lot more subtle than using the ink. The ink way might have worked on my iron warriors, but definately not here.

The rusty water effect ill be using will be a few washes over the affected are with scorched brown, then some beastal brown, then a few stabbed-at-it spots of snakebite leather with a very small old brush. That sives a fairly good effect of where the water has ru down the panels and where new rust is startng to eat into the metal.


And now for the test model I did for a version of soldier 95 camouflage pattern. Im not too happy with it but it sorta growing on me so im going to go with the idea for a bit more. Ill tru out a different way on the guys arms or something.

Anyway here he is
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/testcam4.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/testcamo2.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/testcamo1.jpg

Tasks for the next few days (if I get round to them ha!)

Do the rusty bolts all over the chimera to see what that looks like
Try and refine the 'rusty water' idea
Undercoat 1403 (the hellhound)
Do some more of the minis camo scheme.

As always c'n'c welcome.

old guard
24-03-2006, 11:31
NICE! Sweet job with the DPM although the sand maybe just a little too yellow? (bit more like the Dutch version of DPM).
Are you going for the 95 pattern webbing? in which case are you going to vary the shades on the webbing a little to make it stand out fom the rest of the uniform?

Looking good!

blacksmith
24-03-2006, 15:38
Yea I was thinking that about the yellow colour too. I think i need something close to bleached bone in colour to get it right. Yes im going for 95 pattern everything hopefully, so yes I agree I need to lighten up the straps a bit still, and out some mud on his boots too!

old guard
24-03-2006, 15:53
I would have thought Kommado Khaki, bleached bone might be a bit too light.

Keep it up! this could look awesome.

Some nice UK divisional markings could look rather tasty on the armour

malika
24-03-2006, 17:07
How did you make that guardsman? Just a Catachan set of legs and torso with some greenstuff?

blacksmith
24-03-2006, 17:26
@malika: Its the body from the IG tank accessory sprue

@old guard: I was planning on putting small English flags on the sides of the turrets eventually. Im not that much in the know about tank markings and the like (if it was aircraft it would be a different story). What sort of markings do tanks have on them?

old guard
24-03-2006, 18:25
British ones will have:

number plate front and back
union jack possibly front and back
vehicle weight information on the front (normaly a grey circle with black numbers in it)
possible divisional or battlegroup marking (normaly on the front but not always) for example 3 Div is a black triangle with an inverted red triangle inside
Many units use the vehicles radio call sign on the sides and rear something like 11A. To keep it simple I will reffer to companies and platoons (though that's not what Uk armoured regiments normaly refer to; squadrons and troops)
So 1 platoon would be made up of 4 tanks 11A, 12A, 13A, 14A. these would remain the same on the vehicle, but on the radio, one day we might call fo Z11A, 24 hours later that could become J11A just to confuse the oposition
mechanised infantry would use something similar conected to the section number in each platoon with the command 'section' being something like 20A

Confused?

best bet is try to find some refference photography. The army website has a big photo library, that should do the trick

ArtificerArmour
24-03-2006, 23:12
The style reminds me a little of the uniform in MGS 3

http://www.atanime.com/v7i2/sector7c/SnakeStanding.jpg

I like it, but i don't think it really suits your tanks.

pyramid_head
24-03-2006, 23:24
British ones will have:

number plate front and back
union jack possibly front and back
vehicle weight information on the front (normaly a grey circle with black numbers in it)
possible divisional or battlegroup marking (normaly on the front but not always) for example 3 Div is a black triangle with an inverted red triangle inside
Many units use the vehicles radio call sign on the sides and rear something like 11A. To keep it simple I will reffer to companies and platoons (though that's not what Uk armoured regiments normaly refer to; squadrons and troops)
So 1 platoon would be made up of 4 tanks 11A, 12A, 13A, 14A. these would remain the same on the vehicle, but on the radio, one day we might call fo Z11A, 24 hours later that could become J11A just to confuse the oposition
mechanised infantry would use something similar conected to the section number in each platoon with the command 'section' being something like 20A

Confused?

best bet is try to find some refference photography. The army website has a big photo library, that should do the trick

you crazy assed tommies and your crazy assed marking, the krauts kept it nice and simple :P:P

old guard
25-03-2006, 11:07
The style reminds me a little of the uniform in MGS 3

http://www.atanime.com/v7i2/sector7c/SnakeStanding.jpg

I like it, but i don't think it really suits your tanks.


The uniform on the link is the old vietnam era tiger stripe camo, a very 'sexy' pattern (if you can call something like that sexy).
Sorry AA but I have to disagree with the 'it doesnt suit the tanks'. The combination of the tank camo pattern and the uniform IS the British army! and if that is what blacksmith is seeking to represent then its nigh on perfect, if not then he has a huge range of options available to him. Although I have done it myself, there is no need to ensure that vehicle and uniform camo directly link, as a quick tour of just the european armies will demonstrate.

Pyramid head: When you start to look in the call sign indicator book It does all make sence, but yeah we lack the German/Vulcan logic gene. But then again that 'crazy assed' element as contibuted to the marvellous beast that is Australian culture;).

blacksmith
26-03-2006, 16:33
The combination of the tank camo pattern and the uniform IS the British army! and if that is what blacksmith is seeking to represent then its nigh on perfect,

This is what I am seeing to do exactly! And im glad you view my current efforts so highly Old Guard, thankyou!:D

Unfortunately, all ive got done this weekend is filled some gaps on the hellhound, nowhere near as much as I wanted to get done. Reason being ive been way to busy with spending my work bonus!

Next day off: wednesday. Wait and see what happens then...

Unique1
26-03-2006, 16:40
Kool stuff, I like it lots

Is it possible to get a load of pics (either PM or posted) of your Artemia Pattern Hellhound? and Was it a good kit to build, as I want to get either 3 of them, or 3 salamander scout vehicles

blacksmith
26-03-2006, 16:51
I can take some more pics of it if you would like.

To share the knowledge, ill share my current experience wth it.

Firstly, it all fitted together almost perfectly. The only adjustments I had to make were to thicken the stalk on the bottem of the turret so it was a snug fit into the top of the tank and to remove four raised sections that the fuel tank sat on to make it sit flush and neatly on the back of the tank.

I have never worked with resin in my life and have never built anything forge world so I was expecting a hell of a lot of cleaning up, filing and trimming to be done. When I opened the kit and started on it it was suprising 'clean' compared to what I was expecting. The part that required the most attention was the fuel tank. That neaded a relatively large amount of work doing to it before I was happy to use it. When I post pics you will see what I mean.

As I said before, it all fitted together nicely so no major issues with that. As for painting, well, its just another tank now. I just need to undercoat mine and start working on it now.

So overall I would deifnately recoment it. It is a beautiful kit and looks stunning even just sitting unpainted on my desk :D

Ill post some pictures of it before paint for you at some point then.

Unique1
26-03-2006, 17:16
thank you, it seems like forgeworld has a reasnable good reputation, but the bad ones people get are just the nature of the beast with resin.

I'd be very grateful if you posted pics.

PS: I like both your armoured company schemes.

blacksmith
26-03-2006, 18:51
OK, just for you unique1, heres some pictures of the hellhound in its mostly unbuilt naked form.

Heres the turret, top and bottom. You can see where ive made the stalk thicker with gs
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1403turretWIP.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1403turretbaseWIP.jpg

Heres the flamer part of the turret
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1403flamerWIP.jpg

And a front shot of the tank as I have it at the moment
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1403frontWIP.jpg

more to follow...

blacksmith
26-03-2006, 19:02
Heres the back of the tank where the fuel tank will go
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1403tankbayWIP.jpg

and the fuel tank that will go in there. The front face had to have some gs filling as it was anything but flat. I also needed to replace a missing bolt or several with gs. You can also see that I had to remove some flash from between the pipes and the body of the tank its-self.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1403tankfrontWIP.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1403tankrearWIP.jpg

The gs on the ring around the tank is because when I got it, that section was missing and the rest of that bit was very close to breaking off. Liberal amounts of superglue applied in small doses soon firmed it back up again. You wont be able to tell there was any damage once its painted!

Heres where I had to remove 4 (2 pairs) of small raised tabs (the paler bits on the edges) that the fuel tank would have sat on. I did this purely so it sat better in the back of the vehicle and lined up better with the rest of the model. Your call really with that one
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4/blacksmith5/Tanks/1403edit1WIP.jpg

I have also taken a pic of all the tank together (well mostly) so you can get an idea what it looks like but ill PM that to you. I dont want to wruin the suprise.

Hope thay have helped.

old guard
26-03-2006, 19:05
Looking good, and interesting to see all the bits, especially since I cheated (and I'm tight) and converted a FW pattern hound, I can see all the places I went wrong or decided thats too much like hard work.

blacksmith
26-03-2006, 19:12
Hope they dont make you feel bad about where you went wrong, rather just a reference for next time:p Whats wrong with being tight! If I was half decent at making large conversions i'd scratchbuild and convert a few more tanks too :D Rite! time to undercoat this badboy.

old guard
26-03-2006, 19:14
Not Tight by choice, ah! the joys of having 6 mouthes to feed (me probably being the biggest

Unique1
27-03-2006, 06:33
Thanks Blacksmith, that was gud of ya! A definiate buy In the Future!

I think it will look lovely painted up in your Camo Scheme, and what are you going to do for the tank? I was thinking to paint a different colour as if it was a "disposable" Fuel tank?