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thedigitalflip
19-05-2010, 18:34
Hi, i was just wondering if the Tau Battleforce was worth it, i've never played as or against Tau, but they seem interesting.

Any info on them, and on the Battleforce is very appreciated.

Urban Shaman Commando
19-05-2010, 18:48
It's allright I suppose, you can make a whole army out of it as you can use the suit as a HQ. Kroot and Devilfishes are pretty needed, XV-8's are a must, Stealth Suits are debatable and the box has all the Fire Warriors a HC competive player will ever need and six more to convert into Pathfinders.

Vlad Urkana
19-05-2010, 18:57
Overall it's a pretty decent box. It's one of the few battleforces available right now that actually give you a fully legal army straight out of the box. I would suggest to get the codex first and see what you think of the army before you buy anything though.

bigcheese76
19-05-2010, 18:59
Its not a bad box but the main thing about it I dont like is it puts Kroot into your army, which while they are a great and viable unit, they are not something alot of people might want in a Tau army. I know personally they wouldnt take up residence if I were to collect Tau.

fox-hound
19-05-2010, 20:25
Thats what I started my Tau with, it's worht it.

ajefferism
19-05-2010, 20:50
I'm gonna have to disagree with Mr. BigCheese. Besides Crisis Suits, Kroot are probably one of the most important parts of a competitive Tau army. They are uber cheap and when composed of the right ratio of Kroot to Kroot Hounds can be one of your few CC options in Tau. They also are great meat shield/ speed bumps to any assault army trying to get close to your tau. A lot of Tau players "bubble wrap" their main forces with Kroot to prevent outflanking, Deep Strikes and CC troops etc.

I NEVER play my Tau army without Kroot...

Vlad Urkana
19-05-2010, 23:03
Yeah Kroot units are intergral to not just getting steamrolled by assault lists. Sure they will die to pure cc specialists but 10 Kroot with 10 Hounds will at least take the wind out of their sails.

Most competitive Tau lists usually field either 3:3 FW:Kroot or 2:3 Fw:Kroot since the basic FW isn't all that special when compared to the suits of various flavours.

Charistoph
20-05-2010, 00:27
If you want or don't mind Kroot and/or Stealth Suits, I reccomend two battleforces, a Suit Commander for Special Issue gear, and two Sky Rays (easily convertible with Hammerheads) or two Broadsides to start.

But get the codex first and decide how you want to play them.

thedigitalflip
20-05-2010, 02:30
Thanks for all the replys, i'm going to buy the codex soon.

I really like the idea of a shooty army, i play CSM and most of the fighting is CC, so i'm looking to branch out to something different for my second army, Tau seemed like the best choice.

Should i try and trade off the stealth suits if i get the Battleforce, seems like nobody likes them :O

Charistoph
20-05-2010, 03:37
Should i try and trade off the stealth suits if i get the Battleforce, seems like nobody likes them :O

It's up to you. They're good at providing an alternative focus for your opponent, and if left in the back field, can be a real pain.

The Crisis Suit is just so versatile compared to the Stealth Suit, that many just don't care to use them, or they don't fit well enough into their own plan.

Try them out a couple times, they may surprise you.

thedigitalflip
20-05-2010, 04:27
You can only have one suit type?

Malphax
20-05-2010, 04:40
I love stealthsuits but I hate the XV-25 models. I use a 6-man squad of XV-15s, with two gun drones, targeting arrays and a markerlight on the shas'ui leader. It's an awful lot of S5 AP5 shots at 18", and I can even use the markerlight and still use the jump pack move afterwards. Plus they're stealthed, have infiltrate, and can even outflank.

Even though I love crisis suits to death and always try to take plenty of them, in 1750 or more I always find room for my stealthsuits.

TheWarSmith
20-05-2010, 06:05
What they mean is that stealth suits take an elite choice, and most generals would opt for the more versatile crisis suits over that of the stealth suits.

The box itself is great. $140 of miniatures for $90 makes it one of the best battleforces there is out there for value.

ehlijen
20-05-2010, 06:13
It is a great buy if you want everything in it. As was said, opinions on Kroot and stealthsuits are divided for a multitude of reasons. If you fall into the disliker camp, the box becomes significantly less worthwhile.

Unless you know what your future stance on these units will be, no answer will be definitiv at this point.

thedigitalflip
20-05-2010, 17:30
So kroot are the only CC options for Tau?

I would prefer to play shooty, but i think if kroot are a lot better at cc i'll still take them along.

and i'll try both suits out, see which one works out best!

btw, i ordered the codex and it's on the way! woo!

Urban Shaman Commando
20-05-2010, 19:00
Kroot can't withstand any damage but they are good for screening, pillboxing in forests and maybe some outflanking action. They get a lot of attacks on charge so they might win against non-assault dedicated units, especialy if the Kroots outnumber them. They can also be bizarrely effective against stuff that has rear armor of 10 since they get so many attacks a glancing hit or two is near statisticaly bound to happen. Overall they are pretty cost-effective, I think.

razormasticator
20-05-2010, 19:05
I'm gonna have to disagree with Mr. BigCheese. Besides Crisis Suits, Kroot are probably one of the most important parts of a competitive Tau army. They are uber cheap and when composed of the right ratio of Kroot to Kroot Hounds can be one of your few CC options in Tau. They also are great meat shield/ speed bumps to any assault army trying to get close to your tau. A lot of Tau players "bubble wrap" their main forces with Kroot to prevent outflanking, Deep Strikes and CC troops etc.

I NEVER play my Tau army without Kroot...

Agree here, I have had a mixed unit of 12-14 kroot and 4 hounds tie up a Lash Prince in Close Combat for 3-4 turns. They are a good unit in CC and make an excellent Tar pit. Plus with their abilities in forests etc. They are valuable, I think they look stupid but they are worth in in game.

razormasticator
20-05-2010, 19:05
So kroot are the only CC options for Tau?

I would prefer to play shooty, but i think if kroot are a lot better at cc i'll still take them along.

and i'll try both suits out, see which one works out best!

btw, i ordered the codex and it's on the way! woo!

Pretty much. They are very worth it IMO.

Flying Toaster
20-05-2010, 19:19
heh the old Tau battleforce was better value since you got 16 kroot, 3 battlesuits, 12 fire warriors and a devilfish for 50

didnt have the stealthsuits but oh well

Urban Shaman Commando
20-05-2010, 19:53
heh the old Tau battleforce was better value since you got 16 kroot, 3 battlesuits, 12 fire warriors and a devilfish for 50

didnt have the stealthsuits but oh well

That must have been pretty much the best battleforce box ever. The Megaforce with 3 Piranhas was also neat.

Bonzai
20-05-2010, 20:41
I would say that if you have any interest in playing tau, grab a couple before the new dex comes out. Odds are GW will remove all the savings if they keep to the current trend.

mike208
20-05-2010, 23:34
I would say that if you have any interest in playing tau, grab a couple before the new dex comes out. Odds are GW will remove all the savings if they keep to the current trend.

Any news as to when this is coming out? I have heard this year, next year, 2012, lol. I really like tau, but while I don't only play to win, it would be nice on occasion and they don't do so great right now in 5th edition.

Col. Tartleton
21-05-2010, 01:06
Kroot are awesome. They're sort of like orks boys in a way. Thematically, I think it's better to go virtually all kroot or all Tau, but Kroot should not be ignored. They're infiltrators and that's always useful.

However I think massed Fire Warriors is smarter. They're pretty much the best troops in the game after chaos infantry. 12 Fire Warriors is like 4 BS3 heavy bolters at up to 30 inches and under 12 it's like 8 heavy bolters. Not bad for just 145 points. (You can't be without a Target light/Marker Light Shasui in an infantry list.) You get two of these units and they're now more then twice their worth because they can mark each other's targets if used properly which means those are now 4 BS4 heavy bolters or 8 bs4 heavy bolters. That's at least a match for a heavy bolter devastator squad, and it's just troops.

72 such Firewarriors is under 900 points without transports and realistically about 1400 with them. 48 is probably plenty though. Don't forget to take your counter assault troop of choice. Gun drone squadrons are awesome. They're so much better then kroot. Jump Infantry which means deep strikers, Twin linked pinning heavy duty assault weapons, and relatively high initiative. They're also under 100 points for 8. They're perfect for moving into harms way before the enemy land their hammerblow to give your Tau a chance to devastate them.

Don't forget to get three Sky Rays. By which I mean 3 Sky Rays to use as 3 Sky Rays/3 Hammerheads/3 Devilfish. Preferably as 3 Hammerheads.

The only way I like Broadsides is as a Shas'vres with ASS, Multi Trackers, Plasma, and Drone Controller 2 Shield drones and two shas'ui with ASS. However I think there is a serious value in three of these sniper teams if there is enough stuff on the board they aren't the main focus of enemy ire. It's very expensive but it will crush anything. CRUSH IT!

Agnar the Howler
21-05-2010, 01:14
I never use Kroot and i've only lost 1 battle out of around 10 purely because none of my 4 railguns (2 twin-linked) could get past wave serpent energy shields and the jetcouncil just would not die, although the highlight did come from a unit of fire warriors beating down a unit of harlies. A pure assaulty list might hurt more, but if it relies on transports then it is screwed (unless they're wave serpetns >.<) because it has 4 railguns bearing down on them.

My reasons for not using kroot come from fluff (my own, I like to create fluff for all of the armies I play, whether they be W40k or WHFB) but I find that they're not an absolute necessity if you want to be competative, they're just nice to have for some situations in my opinion (I prefer fire warriors anyway).

thedigitalflip
21-05-2010, 05:30
I like to play for fun, I don't really think it's horrible if i have a list that isn't the best out there, so i might just keep the kroot incase i want an CC element to my army.

I think i'm going to go with more of a Tau over Kroot army, but i think some of the Kroot models are cool, and i might just want to paint them. Or maybe have some around for kill team or other scenarios.

Bonzai
21-05-2010, 09:58
Any news as to when this is coming out? I have heard this year, next year, 2012, lol. I really like tau, but while I don't only play to win, it would be nice on occasion and they don't do so great right now in 5th edition.

No clue, but usually by the time you hear about it, it's too late. I'm definately going to buy 2 boxes "soonish", just to take advantage of the discount.