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KrisPicman
28-05-2010, 03:57
Consider your audience knows just the very basic about 40k fluff and they would like to start the hobby. The fashion and design of the army they want is a lightning fast, assault orientated, small numbered and highly specialized force.
Playability has to be on the easier side. And he wants to be able to make as small of an investment as possible (within reason) Id probably say he has about 200 american dollars to work with.
I have suggested several things to him but he wants to see what others who have different opinions will recommend.

Kaan
28-05-2010, 04:04
I've not played much in the last 12 - 18 months, but when I was playing, it seemed that Eldar was a great army of specialists, but they were very fragile (you paid dearly for mistakes).

New Blood Angels might be a nice way to go. Very fast and very assaulty.

septimus
28-05-2010, 04:07
Definitely Blood Angels.

Space Wolves can also do a small hard hitting elite army but Blood Angels are faster.

[SD] Bob Plisskin
28-05-2010, 04:11
numbers on left indicate which units go togethor (obviously sanguinor doesnt actually attach just goes near)

1 Dante
2 Sanguinor

1 Sang Guard - Chapter Banner, 2x Pfist, 2x Ipistol
2 Sang Guard - 1x Pfist
3 Sang Guard - 1x pfist, 3x Ipistol

1 Sanguinary Priest - pfist, Jumppack
2 Sanguinary Priest - pweapon, jumppack
3 Sanguinary Priest - pweapon, jumppack

So models to buy would be Dante, Sanguinor, and 4 boxes of Sanguinary Guard. this will cost me $200NZ shipped to me next time my bonus comes in.

Get to paint some very impressive models, do some conversions, get a 1500 pt force for a cheap price and simple game mechanics, fairly effective fighting force.

Charistoph
28-05-2010, 05:30
Last year, about this time, you'd be looking at either Eldar, Grey Knights, or a Biker Space Marine army.

Now you can probably do with Tyrranids or Space Wolves, but the Blood Angels would be your best bet.

ctsteel
28-05-2010, 09:27
Not sure if the rules still 'cut it' in most people's opinion but what about Deathwing using AoBR terminators? And possibly mixing in some Ravenwing speeders etc if costs permit.

Grab some assault terminators (or parts to convert some of the tactical termies) for variety and extra assaultiness.

Symrivven
28-05-2010, 10:38
The fashion and design of the army they want is a lightning fast, assault orientated, small numbered and highly specialized force.

Playability has to be on the easier side.
I wonder if these two requirements can be unified in one army. Specialized and small number means you have to be careful, these armies are not very forgiving. Easy side would be more allround units and larger numbers to soak up mistakes.

That being said, while eldar can be fast specialized and assault oriented, most of these models are metal so it wont be a very cheap army.

So like the others I'd say go for one of the assaulty SM chapters.

LonelyPath
28-05-2010, 10:46
I'd suggest Deathwing using Black Reach terminators with a box or two of Assault Terminators and a few bits ffrom bits sellers. Should even have a little change if they find a couple of ebay bargains.

Sorros
28-05-2010, 10:57
I wonder if these two requirements can be unified in one army. Specialized and small number means you have to be careful, these armies are not very forgiving. Easy side would be more allround units and larger numbers to soak up mistakes.

That being said, while eldar can be fast specialized and assault oriented, most of these models are metal so it wont be a very cheap army.

So like the others I'd say go for one of the assaulty SM chapters.

Agreed. The armies I would recommend are Dark Eldar or Eldar, due to the VERY fast army and having good assault units, but price is a little steep and easy to play? Forget that. Fragile army=great at assault, but make a mistake and uh oh.

I guess blood angels would be his best bet.

Korras
28-05-2010, 11:28
Space Wolf Loganwing terminators with droppods? very small (2 or 3 squads), can get close enough to the objectives with the droppods (which I see as the equivalent of 'fast' ;) ), and about as specialized as you want it to be. 2 boxes of Wolfguard Termies, 1 box of regular termies (if you want a Cyclone. otherwise, 3 wolfguard termies), Logan Grimnar, and 3 droppods. with that, you've got plenty of parts to make them deadly in close combat, quite resilient, and have some heavy weapons to deal with things from a distance.

DarthSte
28-05-2010, 12:01
Bob Plisskin;4692398']numbers on left indicate which units go togethor (obviously sanguinor doesnt actually attach just goes near)

1 Dante
2 Sanguinor

1 Sang Guard - Chapter Banner, 2x Pfist, 2x Ipistol
2 Sang Guard - 1x Pfist
3 Sang Guard - 1x pfist, 3x Ipistol

1 Sanguinary Priest - pfist, Jumppack
2 Sanguinary Priest - pweapon, jumppack
3 Sanguinary Priest - pweapon, jumppack

So models to buy would be Dante, Sanguinor, and 4 boxes of Sanguinary Guard. this will cost me $200NZ shipped to me next time my bonus comes in.

Get to paint some very impressive models, do some conversions, get a 1500 pt force for a cheap price and simple game mechanics, fairly effective fighting force.

That is a very boring list... And would get flattened by any shooty horde army.

[SD] Bob Plisskin
28-05-2010, 12:32
Boring to someone who knows how to play the game, but one dimensional enough to be easy to learn to play the game. For a cheap price you are not going to get an effective army without getting really lucky on Ebay.

If you can get lucky on Ebay you can get a fairly decent Mech Eldar army. People sell off jetbikes and Fireprisms will be cheap if you get the old models. A couple of Aspects and waveserpents....

IG is exspensive and difficult to learn with (demoralising to loose so many men!) or tank kits $$$

Marines or orks you can do with the AOBR set, good if another friend wants to expand their ork or marine army for cheap.

DarthSte
28-05-2010, 12:44
Bob Plisskin;4693036']Boring to someone who knows how to play the game, but one dimensional enough to be easy to learn to play the game. For a cheap price you are not going to get an effective army without getting really lucky on Ebay.

Yeah, that's true I suppose. :)

Lungboy
28-05-2010, 13:10
You could pick up a Wych Cult including Raiders for a small cost off eBay, and fits most of the criteria.

Erwos
28-05-2010, 14:07
For a cheap price you are not going to get an effective army without getting really lucky on Ebay.
This. There's a certain limitation on what kind of army you're going to get when you constrain your budget to this extent. You can stretch pretty far with eBay or the trading sites, but there's a limit.

But, you know, I think I'd actually advocate a Khorne-themed Chaos army for your friend. Berzerkers are cheap, effective, easy to paint to a TT standard, and you can make 'em fast with Rhinos. Of course, in a pinch, you can just foot slog masses of them, too.

Symrivven
28-05-2010, 14:23
You could pick up a Wych Cult including Raiders for a small cost off eBay, and fits most of the criteria.

True, if price is really important for them, else I'd wait a few more months, its fairly certain DE will be released the second half of this year.

SPYDER68
28-05-2010, 15:35
That is a very boring list... And would get flattened by any shooty horde army.

Very much so... avoid Sang guard armies.. they are very Meh.

Gray Hunter
28-05-2010, 20:12
Space Wolf Loganwing terminators with droppods? very small (2 or 3 squads), can get close enough to the objectives with the droppods (which I see as the equivalent of 'fast' ;) ), and about as specialized as you want it to be. 2 boxes of Wolfguard Termies, 1 box of regular termies (if you want a Cyclone. otherwise, 3 wolfguard termies), Logan Grimnar, and 3 droppods. with that, you've got plenty of parts to make them deadly in close combat, quite resilient, and have some heavy weapons to deal with things from a distance.

This was my first thought too, except with the addition of some Swiftclaw bikers too. They're fast and can get expensive in points very quickly so will fit in with the OP's objectives. Their speed gives you flexibility that a WG Terminator only list lacks (once they're groundside, they're not going anywhere fast and are basically at the mercy of whatever the opponent wants to do).

I'm sure the guy can grab a few SM bikes cheap off eBay and Wolfify them with leftover bitz from the WG Terminators boxes.

Finn
29-05-2010, 03:03
This. There's a certain limitation on what kind of army you're going to get when you constrain your budget to this extent. You can stretch pretty far with eBay or the trading sites, but there's a limit.

But, you know, I think I'd actually advocate a Khorne-themed Chaos army for your friend. Berzerkers are cheap, effective, easy to paint to a TT standard, and you can make 'em fast with Rhinos. Of course, in a pinch, you can just foot slog masses of them, too.

I like zerkers. The trouble is, with $200 he isn't going to quite make it to a 1500 point force. I would love it if he fielded Kharn (though the GW model is ugly as sin), and he probably would too. He's a CC beast, murders just about everything but pesky Hive Tyrants with lash whips.


I really advocate escalation leagues for this sort of thing. Start out with 500 points (or more, if he can afford it). Teach them the rules with small, quick games. You can get at least 2 games in one evening when you're playing with these small values, helps to hammer the basics into them without seeming tedious. Also helps them learn which sort of units they like, and allows for some tweaking in the list/composition as time goes on rather than dropping a wad of cash on an entire army all at once.