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_dandaman_
19-06-2010, 20:36
Hey everybody, I've recently started my CSM, and I've decided I want o use steel brethren. As they're is no fluff on them, I was wondering what anyone has come up wuth.

I was thinking something like a techmarine was in charge of defending a planet when they came under attack by chaos renegades with a defiler. Close contact with the defilerers deamoc/mecanical soul drove him to a chaotic madness. Devoting himself to the study of chaos mechanics, he quickly made off with schematic copies of rhinos, land raiders, and drop pods, putting them to very god use.

Be honest, is the fluff any good, and what fluff have you come up with for your steel brethren?

Justicar Valius
19-06-2010, 20:44
Never heard of them.

*cough* Iron *cough* warriors *cough*

MOMUS
19-06-2010, 21:09
If i ever did a vanilla SM force it would be steel brethren. I know they are chaos but it would make so much sense using the SM codex 'heavy transport and drop pod use'. Probs another pipe dream for me, but you should do it!

_dandaman_
19-06-2010, 21:39
What do you guys think of my fluff? Does it make sense? I kind of like the idea, but I'm not too farmiliar with CSM fluff, so would it work, I really want good fluff because I'm thinking of starting a project log. ;)

Vaktathi
19-06-2010, 21:43
Imperial Armour 7 has them as a faction of the Iron Warriors, so that's pretty much all you need there. Lots of vehicles and dreadclaw droppods accoring to the CSM book and IA-7.

MOMUS
20-06-2010, 06:27
Hmm not too sure on your fluff, but the official fluff is rather disappointing. Seems a bit of a cop out to say 'they know the iron warriors'.

Raven1
20-06-2010, 08:29
Hmm not too sure on your fluff, but the official fluff is rather disappointing. Seems a bit of a cop out to say 'they know the iron warriors'.

the entire Chaos Codex is a cop out.

Steel Bretheren
Lords of Decay
Knights of Blood
Who comes up with this stuff a 5 year old
I love the bit about the Deathmongers (im shaking in my boots now) that they only exist to destroy and have razed whole worlds. I mean its like a bad "B" grade horror movie

MOMUS
20-06-2010, 09:23
the entire Chaos Codex is a cop out.

Steel Bretheren
Lords of Decay
Knights of Blood
Who comes up with this stuff a 5 year old
I love the bit about the Deathmongers (im shaking in my boots now) that they only exist to destroy and have razed whole worlds. I mean its like a bad "B" grade horror movie

lol its like you read my mind, 5 year olds are extremely cheap on labour costs mind you.

massey
20-06-2010, 13:47
the entire Chaos Codex is a cop out.

Steel Bretheren
Lords of Decay
Knights of Blood
Who comes up with this stuff a 5 year old
I love the bit about the Deathmongers (im shaking in my boots now) that they only exist to destroy and have razed whole worlds. I mean its like a bad "B" grade horror movie

What are you expecting in a game book?

Mannimarco
20-06-2010, 14:47
they dont know the IW, they ARE the IW

Siege of Vraks identifies many of these little traitor warbands running around these days are actually off shoots of the original legions (sort of like how the loyalists became chapters I suppose)

I actually prefer that fluff to GWs codex version. If loyalist marines turning traitor does happen and whole chapters can (although its incredibly rare) thern where did all these renegade warbands come from?

you should listen to Vaktathi, the man knows what he is talking about

MOMUS
20-06-2010, 15:20
they dont know the IW, they ARE the IW

you should listen to Vaktathi, the man knows what he is talking about

Im not denying the fact, i merely suggest linking the steel brethern to such an iconic and strong archetype such as the iron warriors detracts from the SB's individuality and character. Whats the point in calling them steel brethern at all? I would rather have something new and actually interesting. Do the IA books say anything else about them?

MOMUS
20-06-2010, 15:22
What are you expecting in a game book?

Prehaps some good fluff? Not just 'these guys are really, really naughty'.

Mannimarco
20-06-2010, 15:37
thats pretty much it, although they did turn up on Vraks with a member of the dark mech who brought several Minotaurs back online, the SB took several of these with them.

So going by what we know of them from their limited fluff we could accurately build an army of them and stilll remain fluffy:

sorcerer geared up and converted into a dark mech magos

plenty of rhino and drop pod mounted troops so they seem to use that forlorn hope thing done by the IW, dont forget the icons of khorne to represent the ferocity the IW show when attacking a breach

plenty of heavy siege, I didnt see anything about obliterators in the book but vindicators/minotaurs would be a good choice

_dandaman_
20-06-2010, 16:54
thats pretty much it, although they did turn up on Vraks with a member of the dark mech who brought several Minotaurs back online, the SB took several of these with them.

So going by what we know of them from their limited fluff we could accurately build an army of them and stilll remain fluffy:

sorcerer geared up and converted into a dark mech magos

plenty of rhino and drop pod mounted troops so they seem to use that forlorn hope thing done by the IW, dont forget the icons of khorne to represent the ferocuty the IW show when attacking a breach

plenty of heavy siege, I didnt see anything about obliterators in the book but vindicators/minotaurs would be a good choice

Thank for the help, I was kind of thinking that they were on a ship with lots of rhinos and land raiders and stuff, and they got seperated from the rest of the IW during the retreat after Horus' death, and ended up on the fringe of the galaxy. Without a home planet and a place to rest, the former iron warriors were forced to specialize in planet strike and ship taking tactics. Thier limited ammount of troops is balanced by thier extensive use of vehicles. At the lead of thier assaults are the Stele of Vultures, a terminator squad dedicated to Khorne in Land Raider. The stele of vulture is an idea from bablyonian history found here:

http://www.medievalweaponinfo.com/medieval/10-the-first-organized-army/

So basicaly the Steel Brethren are prowling the fringe of the galaxy, constatntly hunting for new ships, technology, and a planet to launch thier devastating assaults from.

What do you guys think? Better than my last 1?

And when you say a geared up sorc, what are you talking about. Sorc lord with term. armor and warptime?

Mannimarco
20-06-2010, 17:17
To gear up a sorcerer I would probably give him the mark of tzeentch for an improved invulnerable save (representing the dark mech forcefield/other shield technology) and some attack spells to represent the wierd and wonderful weapons they make.

failing that a tzeentchian termy lord with a daemon weapon could still look a lot like a dark mech using some new fancy gun.

Whatever you chose to do remember they are pretty well armed and have links to the dark mech so dont be afraid to invest in a lot of firepower.

AFAIK there isnt actually any official fluff out there on them other than the vraks stuff which is rather limited

Raven1
20-06-2010, 18:49
What are you expecting in a game book?

something better. The 3.5 codex had better fluff and renegade warbands. Like the Deathmongers were originally known as the Warp Ghosts. I like the name Warp Ghosts and I liked the color scheme. I just don't get why they need to say well they were Warp Ghosts, but now they are Deathmongers. Oh and these guys are just like these other guys, but not really.

In the end Steel Brethren are like Iron Warriors, but not Iron Warriors, because the focus is no longer the legions but renegades chapters. So, if you want Steel Brethren fluff look at the Iron Warriors.

See the Chaos gods a pantheon, Revere Perturabo as a Demi-god who saved them from sacrifice by the Emperor, they really hate Imperial Fists, siege specialists, only known cult affliation is Khorne Berserkers. The OP can go from there.

The war cry is probably steel on the insides, steel on the outsides

massey
20-06-2010, 23:05
something better. The 3.5 codex had better fluff and renegade warbands. Like the Deathmongers were originally known as the Warp Ghosts. I like the name Warp Ghosts and I liked the color scheme. I just don't get why they need to say well they were Warp Ghosts, but now they are Deathmongers. Oh and these guys are just like these other guys, but not really.


3.5 had a picture of them with a name under it. 4th had a picture of them with a name under it, and something saying they liked drop pods. That's it. It's not the first time a color scheme has been reused.

Raven1
20-06-2010, 23:20
Codex Eye of terror had a bit of fluff regarding the Warp Ghosts.

When I talk about fluff I meant it in general. That I thought the fluff was better, and that the renegade examples were better (except the Red Corsairs). I could have have been a bit more clear and with that I shouldn't be so sarcastic and demeaning either. I'm still butt hurt about the latest CSM codex.