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TimLeeson
27-06-2010, 20:27
Hi all, iv been giving fantasy second thoughts lately. I havent touched it for a very long time, not since the early 90's to be honest. I collected a fair amount of goblins, lizardmen (when they first came out) and other stuff but nothing ever really "stuck" with me.

While I prefer sci-fi, I am tiring of 40k as nothing that interests me within it has happened for aquite some years. I do like fantasy, allthough I am picky. There are a few forces I really like in WHFB, one is the Tomb kings and the other is the Assyrian styled Chaos Dwarfs (as I love Sumerian fantasy bigtime).

There is a third choice of army too, that is the Daemons. I do already have a 40k mono-tzeentch army that clocks up around 1500 points. I've read that people dont really seem to like them in Fantasy for being overpowered. I am purely a "friendly" gamer and have no interest in GW nights or tournements, but I also dont really want to crush my friends to bits. I'd rather collect something new though to be honest.

Also from what iv seen Fantasy is getting a massive overhaul and new edition. This is quite exciting. It sounds like

The problems im having is that..

1) I cant do "huge armies", I just lose interest in painting that many models. I prefer small scale armies. About 30-40 miniatures are about as far as I can go, all of my 40k armies are small-scale like that (some as small as 15 models). So I am very much a low-model count kinda guy.

2) The current Tomb kings seem kind of dated now. I love the artwork and mythology but some of the models look like the ones I remember from like 1994. Does anyone know their future ? if they are getting new models ? is it a good time to buy the old ones (they are ok but Id prefer better ones) ect.

3) Chaos Dwarves dont even look like they even exist anymore. I am not willing to ebay old models and an old army, even if the fans still support them. Models are mostly why I like this hobby. Does anyone know if they have a future ? I read rumours that im sure you've read about forge world doing them ? I only like the assyrian ones as well so I worry they'd be the boring midget-chaos-warriors of yore.

So as you can see, I am sort of confused and unsure completely what I want but have some general ideas of what I like ect. Any advice or comments would be very appreciated, thanks!

chilledenuff
27-06-2010, 20:33
My advice is to try fantasy. I know a lot of 40k players don't like the difference. 8th edition looks like it's going to favour big armies which may be bad for your painting/modelling style (saying this you say like tomb kings, The Army Painter (tm) have released a bone undercoat spray which makes skelly painting a doddle!)
However if you are bored of 40k (this happened to me with the current edition) fantasy is great (or try Flames of War, but thats another story)

Sand
27-06-2010, 20:35
Sounds like it might be an idea to try it out with your Daemons? They don't need a lot of models, mono-God lists are supposedly less high-powered and Daemons are supposed to be at least slightly nerfed by the new edition.
If you only play with friends it's also relatively easy to adjust by say, one side getting 10% more or less points if things turn out to be unbalanced straight out of the box.

I play Tomb Kings myself and I actually like the current models a lot, but I've basically shelved my army until the new book comes along (which it should do within a year or so, if the rumors are correct). I think it's gonna be a long wait for Chaos Dwarfs -to tell the truth, the Marxist revolution or the second coming of Jesus Christ seem likely to predate a new Chaos Dwarf army book as matters stand.

If I were you I'd give it a try with my Daemons to get a feel for the rules while waiting for the new Tomb Kings book.

brynolf
27-06-2010, 20:42
There is a fan-made Chaos dwarf army book out there, which should work in most friendly environments. The models are pretty hard to find though...

Oberon
27-06-2010, 20:50
I'd wait a couple of months, see the new TK that's supposedly coming out after 8ed, and hop on the bandwagon with the others.

enygma7
27-06-2010, 22:22
Whilst some armies have a lower model count than others you'll struggle to do anything meaningful with that few models. There are some good suggestions above but if you are a bit lukewarm about standard fantasy settings and want to play a game with a low model count you might be better off looking at other fantasy inspired skirmish games like warmachine (steampunk)/hordes, anima tactics or malifaux.

You could also check out mordheim, part of GW's specialist games range (and the necromunda of WFB). The issue with such "minor" systems is finding a group to play them with or getting your existing friends into them. Whilst many skirmish games have a fairly low model count (and therefor outlay) you might find mordheim easiest to introduce as people can often use models from their WFB army and already know the setting.

Lord Malorne
27-06-2010, 22:27
OP: If you don't like a lot of models, Fantasy is not for you.

tezdal
27-06-2010, 22:28
You could always use other companies models for Tomb Kings...not so sure about the Chaos dwarves, fairly unique style there.

Pootleflump
27-06-2010, 22:31
I guess Ogres would be the best for low model count fantasy
( or give infinity a go ;) )

The SkaerKrow
27-06-2010, 22:36
OP: If you don't like a lot of models, Fantasy is not for you.This. Warhammer is about massive formations of infantry running into each other. That brings an exceptionally high model count. If that doesn't appeal to you, you may consider Warmachine, Hordes or Infinity, as all three of them have smaller painting requirements to finish a force.

Aluinn
27-06-2010, 22:37
If you really don't want many models the best choices are Ogre Kingdoms and Warriors of Chaos (especially with Trolls, Dragon Ogres and the like), but it sounds like those don't appeal to you much, unfortunately. Any other army except maybe Saurus-heavy Lizardmen is probably going to require over 50 models for even 1,000 points.

It occurs to me that one option might be using Chaos Dwarf models, if you have or can find them, to represent WoC. Hobgoblins could be Marauders, Dwarfs could be Warriors, and those half-dragon Dwarf things (can't remember the name :)) would make perfect Dragon Ogres. You could also use their mortar or rockets as a Hellcannons (the crew actually are Chaos Dwarfs too!). I think everything would fit pretty well.

The only problem is that the models are now kind of in collectible territory and buying them isn't likely to be cheap, but you may get lucky.

Shab
27-06-2010, 22:47
I agree with what others have said already: If 30-40 models is as far as you can go, you'd better steer clear of WHFB. That's barely two units worth of models already, and by the looks of it, 8ed games are bound to be even bigger.

Xyrex
27-06-2010, 23:11
I suggest you collect orks in 40k or SM. Orks are just awesomesauce ownage, and marines are easy and quick to paint, and there is only a few of them.

Skywave
27-06-2010, 23:18
Tomb King are suposedly in the work rght now, and rumors have them released anywhere between october (unlikely) to early 2011 (feb-march). Skeletons are dated and ugly, so if you were to play them before their release, you'd have to get some alternative.

Tomb Kings could go with a lowish numbers of models, albeit some medium-to-large one. Units of Chariots and an army based around Ushabti and constructs would achieve that. It will also depend on how big you want to have your army. At 2000pts range, with a emphasis on Ushabti and Chariots for exemple, you could get less than 50 models. If that would make a good army is less sure though, as we have yet to see the army errata for 8th edition.

And with a new book not so far away, things could change greatly upon it's release.


For Chaos Dwarves, I know that Scibor Miniatures (http://www.sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?group=87) have some models, you'll have to see if they are to your liking.

Ultimate Life Form
28-06-2010, 03:30
Go Daemons. They're much toned doen in 8th and as an elite army they can be a reasonably small force.

Tomb Kings are dated and rumors point to them being up next. You could wait for this to happen first.

Chaos Dwarves do no longer exist, though rumors pop up every so often of them being reintroduced (don't count on it though).

Darnok
28-06-2010, 03:39
1) I cant do "huge armies", I just lose interest in painting that many models. I prefer small scale armies. About 30-40 miniatures are about as far as I can go, all of my 40k armies are small-scale like that (some as small as 15 models). So I am very much a low-model count kinda guy.

2) The current Tomb kings seem kind of dated now. I love the artwork and mythology but some of the models look like the ones I remember from like 1994. Does anyone know their future ? if they are getting new models ? is it a good time to buy the old ones (they are ok but Id prefer better ones) ect.

3) Chaos Dwarves dont even look like they even exist anymore. I am not willing to ebay old models and an old army, even if the fans still support them. Models are mostly why I like this hobby. Does anyone know if they have a future ? I read rumours that im sure you've read about forge world doing them ? I only like the assyrian ones as well so I worry they'd be the boring midget-chaos-warriors of yore.

1) Have a look at Ogre Kingdoms. It sounds like they might be for you.

2) There are strong rumours pointing towards TK being updated soon. "Soon" meaning over the next 6-8 months.

3) CD of the "bighat" style are dead, sad but true. If you don't like Ebay, you won't have a chance of ever seeing them again.

Halelel
28-06-2010, 04:04
I would suggest playing a couple "count as" games with some friends with the new 8th edition rules. I never really got into 40k, but from what I understand, the two systems are as similar as ever in play style.

However, this does not mean you will enjoy playing Fantasy compared to 40k. The worst thing to do, in my opinion, is to buy a lot of models and than find you just don't enjoy the game (/cough Warmachine /cough), meaning lots of wasted time, energy, and especially money.

Maybe once the 8th edition starter set is released, you can go to a gaming club that allows playtesting of the new rules with the new models. It might influence your decision one way or another.

P.S. Don't hold your breath on Chaos Dwarfs, many have already died that way, :)