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Orcboy_Phil
28-06-2010, 16:58
You have 250 points to spend on any (legal) chracter in order to slay a Star Dragon. How would you go about it?

Ultimate Life Form
28-06-2010, 17:01
Oldblood, Blade of Realities, survival stuff to my taste.

dragonet111
28-06-2010, 17:22
Bretonnian lord with Virtue of Heroism, Gromril Great Helm, Tress of Isoulde, Warhorse and Grail Vow.

Pray the Lady, charge and kill the beast:evilgrin:.

orcs of fire
28-06-2010, 17:31
Goblin warboss, wolf chariot, the collar of zorga, bigged's kickin' boots, wollopa's one hit wunda, spitefull shield, light armour,

or...

ogre tyrant, tenderiser

Count Demandred
28-06-2010, 17:33
I'd buff out a my character as much as I could, and then stomp on the dragon when my opponent wasn't looking.

BigbyWolf
28-06-2010, 17:36
Any Orc or goblin warboss with Collar of Zorga.

Does it have to be a character? I could fit 6 pump wagons into 250 points...they'd kill it.

Clanrat
28-06-2010, 18:17
Skaven warlord with fellblade....sorted

Ultimate Life Form
28-06-2010, 18:19
Skaven warlord with fellblade....sorted

You mean because the Warlord dies before he can even touch the Dragon? :p

grumbaki
28-06-2010, 18:21
Grand Master of the Empire. Sword of Fate (wound on 2+, no AS allowed, d3 wounds), Pond Stone (RR failed AS), whatever new magic item gives him a 5+ WS for 30 points.

Total: 250 points. 1+ RR AS, 5+ WS, 4 attacks hitting on 3's, wounding on 2's and doing d3 wounds with no save allowed. Charge and hope for the best.

ooglatjama
28-06-2010, 18:25
Exalted Hero
Potion of Strength
Disc of Tzeentch
Mark of Tzeentch
Glaive of Purification
Eye of the Gods

jet_palero
28-06-2010, 18:25
Dwarf Lord
Mater Rune of Smiting
Rune of Might

Strikes first (dwarf ini 4 vs dragon ini 2) with 4 attacks, hits on a 4, wounds on a 2 with -5 saving armor save, d6 wounds per wound. Decent shot of killing it before it strikes back for 240 pts.

Daemon Slayer
Master Rune of Smiting
Rune of Fury

Strikes first (dwarf ini 4 vs dragon ini 2) with 5 attacks, hits on a 4, wounds on a 4 with -4 saving armor save, d6 wounds per wound. Also a decent shot of killing it before it strikes back for only 205 pts.

ooglatjama
28-06-2010, 18:26
Grand Master of the Empire. Sword of Fate (wound on 2+, no AS allowed, d3 wounds), Pond Stone (RR failed AS), whatever new magic item gives him a 5+ WS for 30 points.

Total: 250 points. 1+ RR AS, 5+ WS, 4 attacks hitting on 3's, wounding on 2's and doing d3 wounds with no save allowed. Charge and hope for the best.

No speculum?

BigbyWolf
28-06-2010, 18:33
No speculum?

Can't challenge a dragon...

Alltaken
28-06-2010, 18:38
shadow empire wizard with Van hortsman speculum should pull the trick.

Ahhh ninja'd by everyone!

Then Oldblood with piranha blade, the shield of the extra attack and the potion of d3 strength.

Don Zeko
28-06-2010, 18:40
A Dark Elf Assassin with the Venom Sword would have a decent chance. If you roll a couple of sixes to wound the dragon will only get a 4+ armor, and has to essentially pass a ld 6 leadership check or die. Ok, he wouldn't really because you can't get bonus attacks. If my back-of-the-envelope mathhammer is right, you've got a 39% chance to kill the dragon, and you will die if you don't.

Don Zeko
28-06-2010, 18:40
shadow empire wizard with Van hortsman speculum should pull the trick

Still can't challenge the dragon.

Gorak
28-06-2010, 18:45
skulltaker if a "legal" dragon ie with charcater, or dreadlord with chillblade;pendant of khaeleth; heavy armour;shield and sea dragon cloak, 4 rerollable attacks, t or take a wound no armour save :). Even if it takes a few rounds pendant should keep em alive,

GreyHam
28-06-2010, 18:49
Dwarf dragon slayer ;)

dragonet111
28-06-2010, 19:00
The Changelin can be a lot of fun........at least for the Daemon player:D

Urgat
28-06-2010, 19:49
Well I play gobs so... warboss, collar of zorga, lucky's dirk (there's going to be a tooled up lord up there :p), armour of gork (to try and survive the elf attacks), kickin boots, shield, charriot or wolf (probably wolf, I don't want the dragon to munch up the charriot and win the combat).
Don't know if it would work, but I can't think of better for a goblin.

HeroFox
28-06-2010, 19:55
lol.
Just tried to do this as High Elves and noticed I can't..

I guess Lv.3 Archmage with a Silver Wand and pray for Pit of Shades from Lore of Shadows.

Trains_Get_Robbed
28-06-2010, 21:04
Just a question but how is everyone assuming they charge a dragon? It flies 20" in lol.

HeroFox come on now you can do better than that.

Foebane, E.S, Barded Horse, VoD, D.A, (yes I know a little over). OR Armor of Stars, G.P, FoeBane, E.S, Barded Horse. (again a little over, but still Dragon killing worthy.

grumbaki
28-06-2010, 21:06
Well, charging doesn't really matter anymore, as everything goes by initiative. Think of it as "get into combat with it", as the +1 CR doesn't really matter.

madden
28-06-2010, 22:32
Ogre tyrant with seige braker and spangle shard, str8 attacks compare tyrants as to dragons int and the sard to save his life.

Urgat
28-06-2010, 22:32
Just a question but how is everyone assuming they charge a dragon? It flies 20" in lol.


My goblin charges 18", he's kindda hard to avoid too :p

madden
28-06-2010, 22:34
Oh flying move is now 10"and a charge is best of 3 dice plus move.

Urgat
29-06-2010, 04:39
And there's a ******** of new magic items that might be better choices. Obviously people are making 7th ed characters here.

HeroFox
29-06-2010, 04:55
Just a question but how is everyone assuming they charge a dragon? It flies 20" in lol.

HeroFox come on now you can do better than that.

Foebane, E.S, Barded Horse, VoD, D.A, (yes I know a little over). OR Armor of Stars, G.P, FoeBane, E.S, Barded Horse. (again a little over, but still Dragon killing worthy.

Disqualified!

Gotta play by the rules man!

NitrosOkay
29-06-2010, 05:19
Hm.

Konrad Von Carstein 165pts

WS 7
Str 5
Ini 7
2 Wounds per unsaved wound.
5 attacks, re-rolls misses, gets another attack for every unsaved wound.

Don Zeko
29-06-2010, 07:26
Hm.

Konrad Von Carstein 165pts

WS 7
Str 5
Ini 7
2 Wounds per unsaved wound.
5 attacks, re-rolls misses, gets another attack for every unsaved wound.

Which equals a whopping .83 unsaved wounds from the 5 attacks. I'll be nice and round that up, so you get one more attack with a 16.6% chance to cause an unsaved wound. We're looking at an average of about two unsaved wounds against the dragon, which then attacks back, causing an average of 2.5 wounds. The Dragon has 7 wounds. Bye bye Konrad.

ooglatjama
29-06-2010, 07:31
Can't challenge a dragon...

I assumed the star dragon would have a naked rider or something considering that's at least what you'll come across if you were to come across one.

Don Zeko
29-06-2010, 07:33
Here's another failed entry:

Dark Elf Dreadlord w/heavy armor, shield, hydra blade, pendant and potion of strength: 246 points.

5-7 attacks at WS7, S7 with re-rolls to hit...for a whopping 3 wounds. Dreadlord wins combat but doesn't kill it. On to round 2:

5-7 attacks at WS7, S4 for .33 wounds on average. Dragon outnumbers, Dreadlord is autobroken. GG.

Don Zeko
29-06-2010, 07:34
I assumed the star dragon would have a naked rider or something considering that's at least what you'll come across if you were to come across one.

Sure, but Van Horstman's speculum would then give you the rider's statline, not the dragon's. The thing is great against chaos lords and oldbloods, but it won't bring down a star dragon.

ooglatjama
29-06-2010, 07:35
Sure, but Van Horstman's speculum would then give you the rider's statline, not the dragon's. The thing is great against chaos lords and oldbloods, but it won't bring down a star dragon.

Ah, I thought the speculum let you choose. Bummer

NitrosOkay
29-06-2010, 07:38
Which equals a whopping .83 unsaved wounds from the 5 attacks. I'll be nice and round that up, so you get one more attack with a 16.6% chance to cause an unsaved wound. We're looking at an average of about two unsaved wounds against the dragon, which then attacks back, causing an average of 2.5 wounds. The Dragon has 7 wounds. Bye bye Konrad.

How many points is a Star Dragon?

Clearly the answer is two and a half Konrads.

cptcosmic
29-06-2010, 07:38
why character? A doomwheel can kill a monster in a single shooting phase :rolleyes:

Toshiro
29-06-2010, 07:43
savage orc shaman with skullwand of kaloth and biggeds kickin boots on a boar.

Don Zeko
29-06-2010, 08:11
How many points is a Star Dragon?

Clearly the answer is two and a half Konrads.

The whole premise of the thread is that you need a character that will hit way above his weight class; a prince on a star dragon runs around 600 points or so. If there wasn't a point limit, my chaos lord of khorne on a jugger with a Daemonsword and enchanted shield would show that dragon who's boss.

7-10 attacks at WS8, S6-8, plus the jugger's two S5 attacks. That's an average of a little over 4 wounds per round. Between his attacks and the dragon's, he takes an average of 1.2 wounds per round, so after two rounds you'll get a dead star dragon and a chaos lord with a wound or two left. And hey, it's only 115 points over the limit.

Sinaris
29-06-2010, 08:21
What sort of armor and wounds are we talking for the Chaos Lord?

Id be running that Prince with a Star Lance, ToL, Armor of Caledor and Guardian Phoenix for
four no AS S7 attacks, 2+ armor save, 6+ Wardsave with Tally of Loec to pop when the going gets tough (or just to ensure damage on the charge), on top of the Dragons own barrage.

I know this whole thing was about Characters vs Dragon, but yeah.

Dag
29-06-2010, 08:49
orc warboss with axe of the last waaaagh in a unit of 50 boyz, +6 str/atk... win

NitrosOkay
29-06-2010, 08:53
The whole premise of the thread is that you need a character that will hit way above his weight class; a prince on a star dragon runs around 600 points or so. If there wasn't a point limit, my chaos lord of khorne on a jugger with a Daemonsword and enchanted shield would show that dragon who's boss.

7-10 attacks at WS8, S6-8, plus the jugger's two S5 attacks. That's an average of a little over 4 wounds per round. Between his attacks and the dragon's, he takes an average of 1.2 wounds per round, so after two rounds you'll get a dead star dragon and a chaos lord with a wound or two left. And hey, it's only 115 points over the limit.

Well yeah if the Dragon just absolutely had to die a Vampire Lord with the Frostblade (lose all remaining wounds on an unsaved wound, ignores armour saves) and Infinite Hatred should do the trick I think? 60 points over the limit though.

madden
29-06-2010, 10:32
If a tooled prince on it the chaos lord on jugger aether sword (no armour sv) and rune shield(no magic weapons against him) on a jugger will do the trick.

Freman Bloodglaive
29-06-2010, 11:26
Templer Grand Master, full plate, shield, barded warhorse, sword of fate, holy relic. 230 points

1+ armour, 4+ ward. 4 attacks hitting on 4+, wounding on 2+, ignoring armour saves and doing D3 wounds. With initiative 6 he's going first, and there's a fairly good chance of killing the dragon in two rounds while surviving.

ftayl5
29-06-2010, 11:46
Dwarf dragon slayer ;)

If only :cries:

Under 250pts, it'd be pretty hard to slay a Star Dragon. Konrad would do well. Or just teleport it to oblivion with a Chaos Sorcerer....

Odin
29-06-2010, 11:48
You mean because the Warlord dies before he can even touch the Dragon? :p

Not in 8th - striking in Initiative order! Suddenly the Fellblade doesn't look quite so stupid.

Anyway, my choice would be a Khorne Lord with the Hellfire Sword and a Strength Potion, but that comes to around 300 points. Actually, he's my Hydra/Troll killer.

bluemage
29-06-2010, 16:59
high elf mage with the seer staff and lore of beasts, so beast cowers for 6 turns. Doesn't die but its 160ish points.

Besides this is silly. A star dragon is going to be 600ish points with the rider, and so I'll be able to counter it with 600ish points of my own. And the most effective way of killing dragons isn't characters. Its war machines. So i'll take six empire cannons or two steam tanks. That's one very dead dragon and rider.

Freman Bloodglaive
30-06-2010, 10:12
With the new rules, three Empire Cannon (300 points) and two Dogs of War cannon (170 points).

DoW, when three cannon just aren't enough.

GuyLeCheval
30-06-2010, 10:16
Not in 8th - striking in Initiative order! Suddenly the Fellblade doesn't look quite so stupid.

Anyway, my choice would be a Khorne Lord with the Hellfire Sword and a Strength Potion, but that comes to around 300 points. Actually, he's my Hydra/Troll killer.

And then again, a warolord doesn't kill itself in 2 turns, the amount of turns you need to get to the thing.

madden
30-06-2010, 10:56
Not if you skitterleap there then charge the back it's the way of the rat.