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PariahMagnus
27-02-2006, 00:00
Hey all you eldar players out there! I've never known too much about the eldar (I've heard about starcannons though :p ). I would like to be briefly educated on the subject. I was thinking of either Biel-tan(many troop choices) or uthwe(other part of army comes in later?). I also might just start Tau. Who knows, maybe both.

But right now I'm leaning towards eldar as they are a sleek looking army and would be fun to paint. But could you tell me more about the army?

:skull:

Kasrkin 666
27-02-2006, 00:25
Sorry don't know anything but I was thinking of starting Ulthwe when the new codex comes out so I would also like to know some stuff.:D
-666:angel:

Sildani
27-02-2006, 00:44
Hum! Well, Eldar are about the best-looking army out there. Whether you win or lose, you look good.

Now, the Eldar are an army that has ridiculously fast vehicles, and guns that are the envy of every other army. Unfortunately, the Eldar also believe that tin foil makes excellent armor. So you're fast, you're lethal, and you cannot absorb much fire in return.

Eldar army selections are specialized to a fault. You've got hand-to-hand squads, and you've got shooting squads, and n'er the twain shall meet. Eldar have very few jack-of-all-trades units. This means your units must work in synchonization to be effective. Throw them in piecemeal, and you're awarding VP's to your opponent.

The Eldar have units that regularly work well - Howling Banshees, Striking Scorpions, Vypers, Warp Spiders, etc. They also have units that either are so specialized that you rather have to "force" a role onto them, or wait for the perfect time to use them. These include Shining Spears, Wraithguard, and possibly Swooping Hawks (Exarch be damned! They're not supposed to be just an Exarch FedEx!) Dire Avengers are quite the opposite - they're so generalized, they have no real role (in my humble opinion).

A word about Eldar vehicles, and the Wraithlord. The Falcon is quite possibly the best tank in the game at the moment. Fast, bristling with guns (optional equipment), and able to be given dealer-installed options that make it tough as nails to kill. Warning: use as a gunship, not as a main battle tank. It can't reliably hurt other armies' MBTs, but excels at anything else. Fire Prism: some people swear by them, others swear at them. They're spiffy, but I do prefer Falcons. The Wave Serpent is the best troop transport in the game - I love them. Mine have soaked up so much fire that they should have been taken out - yet they haven't. Get one or two - my one recommendation. Wraithlords are tough, accurate, deadly, slow, tough, relatively cheap, and fragile. Yes, they'll stand up to most anything, and in an assault they'll usually get job done but quick. However, against those weapons with special rules - rending, sniper weapons - they collapse like a house of cards.

Which brings me to my final point - Eldar require you to think. If you don't have a battleplan where all the elements of the army support one another, you're going to lose, time and again. However, if you do have such a plan, and a little luck, Eldar will do the business time and time again. I tell you, nothing feels better than winning with Eldar. It's rather like seeing a well-choreographed ballet, where all the dancers are in sync, and everybody's right where they need to be. With fusion guns, and death spinners, and executioners, and pulse lasers, and chainswords.

One last thing - I think Biel-Tan are a decent starting point. If you and I are thinking of the same Ulthwe Strike Force, I'd be inclined to leave that be intil you have a bit of experience with Eldar. They're not easy to play, and with the USF, you get none of the really heavy stuff, to boot.

Hope that disjointed monograph helps. Tau, anyone?

PariahMagnus
27-02-2006, 01:37
Yikes! I just checked out the prices on the site... Maybe I'll go with their cousins the Dark Eldar. I was planning to a while ago and have about half a battle force...

Rypher
27-02-2006, 02:32
well, that is the one downside of eldar. then again, i run squads of only 5 in 1850 pt battles playing biel-tan. advice: build up from ground zero. for biel-tan thou, get 2 reapers and an exarch and 4 spiders and a exarch. total: $50. add in a farseer for $10 and there u go. $60 for about...400 points of kitted out units.

Warjammer
27-02-2006, 02:34
Eldar is the second most expensive army out there (IG being the most expensive). You should consider that. Also the Dark Eldar are not much cheaper. Since you have half a battle force anyway you may want to go that route.
Sildani is right about the strengths and weaknesses of the army. Keep that in mind when playing. They have one weapon for every contingency but they have almost no multipurpose weapons. Try Biel Tan or generic Eldar first before going further.
Tau are a completely different army. They also happen to be a little pricey if you like their elite choices. They are a solid and well balanced army and if you have a soft skin and chaff under the constant ridicule of 'Eldar cheese' it might be a good fit. I personally do not care and play both.
These armies require finesse and quick thinking. That includes the Dark Eldar.

PariahMagnus
27-02-2006, 03:29
I'm really looking for a budget army. I'm now leaning towards DE since they are cheaper and I often see good deals on them on ebay. Maybe when I get a job I'll consider eldar. But being a freshman in highschool trying to balance school work, football and friends I can't make room. Eldar are awefully cool though :D

Ardathair
27-02-2006, 05:02
Yes you can pick up alot of Dark Eldar cheap but that is all Warriors.

GW saturated the market with DE Warriors. To make a Dark Eldar Army effective you need Raiders to get them into combat and specialized units.

Check with other topics on this forum. I think some are talking about good deals on DE, if you can pick them up more power to you.

Buddha777
27-02-2006, 06:33
I'm really looking for a budget army. I'm now leaning towards DE since they are cheaper and I often see good deals on them on ebay. Maybe when I get a job I'll consider eldar. But being a freshman in highschool trying to balance school work, football and friends I can't make room. Eldar are awefully cool though :D
Just to throw out a suggestion, necrons are by far the cheapest army out there in terms of money. A simple 500pt army for example is barley above $50.

Orbital
27-02-2006, 07:02
Eldar is the second most expensive army out there (IG being the most expensive).

I dunno. Wouldn't you say a Sisters of Battle force might be pretty damned expensive?

Intrepid Adventurer
27-02-2006, 08:20
Or the Daemonhunters... 10 euro's per Termi... that's what? 12 Dollars?

On topic: with the new Codex coming out soon, Tau might be a more viable option to consider than Eldar. Battalion boxes are often good deals, I dunno about the new Tau ones though. You can make a small army for relatively little money.

Tau are the best shooters in the game, and can take somewhat more damage than Eldar. They get sliced up in close combat though, so you have to keep your troops moving. Which is the Tau style I prefer above the static gunline, which is boring and quickly overrun once the enemy reaches you. Firewarriors in transports, that's what it's all about, in my humble opinion of course.

If I had to choose myself I'd go with Tau for now, and wait with Eldar until their new codex is released. Along with that will be new plastics which will make the army cheaper.

Helicon_One
27-02-2006, 14:19
Only problem, with the new Codex imminent, everyone is going to be playing Tau in two months time. Be an individual! The world needs more Dark Eldar players.

Tim

imrhati
27-02-2006, 14:24
ya the Tau players need other armies to kill! ;)

imrhati
27-02-2006, 14:52
tau are a very fun army to play, and they have a new codex on the brink to boot. i will describe the three tau playing styles.

Static: Static Tau sit at the table edge and shoot the hell otu of the advancing opponent. It is very easy to use. Play with: Fire Warrior squads without transports, ethereals (especially Aun'va), broadsides, kroot, and battlesuits in Fireknife. You want to max out on railguns as they can usually blow the enemy tanks and characters first turn. Fire Warrior squads have all pulse rifles or two pulse carbines at the most. Ethereals keep them from falling back off the table edge. The kroot can be used to hold back assaults but are basically cannon fodder. Advantages: can't be out gunned, hard to be assualted Disadvantages: just leave and assume you lost if you are playing an objective game type, your screwed if opponent assualts you


Mech: Mech Tau are usually veteran players, it makes the Tau list mobile and is the exact opposite of static Tau. Play With: LOTS of battlesuits (stealth and crisis), fire warriors squads in devilfish, drone squadron, vespid, piranha, hammer heads, pathfinders, and skyrays. Battlesuits are specialized to perform certain roles, fire warrios squads FoF and disembark on objectives, vespid one shot kill 3+ saves, hammer heads and skyrays work with pathfinders to kill heavy targets. Advantages: easy to control initiative, excels in all gametypes, and will not give you a reputation as a coward. Disadvantages: more likely to be assualted, takes more skill to use right, and moving forward is part of the plan.

Combined Arms or Hybrid: utilizes the best of both above strategies. Play With: everything Advantages: takes the best of both worlds Disadvantages: lacks specialisation and less organized

Warjammer
27-02-2006, 15:21
I dunno. Wouldn't you say a Sisters of Battle force might be pretty damned expensive?


When you consider the entire list of units, even with the conversions for the Sisters, the Eldar have the most diverse selection of metal infrantry (aspect warriors). The Sisters have variety but no where near as expensive. Think about buying all the 8 aspect warriors so that you can have at least two half squads each. That begins to add up very fast.

Ulthanesh
27-02-2006, 15:25
As an Eldar player for the last 12 years, I can only say this - Buy Tau.

You will only know heartbreak and frustration with Eldar.

Orbital
27-02-2006, 21:28
As an Eldar player for the last 12 years, I can only say this - Buy Tau.

You will only know heartbreak and frustration with Eldar.

Gimme a break.

PariahMagnus
27-02-2006, 23:11
Just to throw out a suggestion, necrons are by far the cheapest army out there in terms of money. A simple 500pt army for example is barley above $50.
I was thinking about necrons for a while, but they just seem a little too plain and boring. The Fluff is real cool though. Although you do bring up a good point about them being cheap... and they are pretty simple to play...

pondering... O_o

Orbital
27-02-2006, 23:14
Play the army you want to play. If it's an expensive army then you merely have to get used to spending a bit more on it. If you play an army you don't enjoy, though, you have to get used to the fact you spent whatever money you did on something that you didn't actually want.

PariahMagnus
27-02-2006, 23:17
Well that's the tough part, I like just about every non-power armor army :p

Orbital
27-02-2006, 23:20
If I may be so bold, I'd like to suggest that you really can't count the cost when you're playing 40k. It's not that kind of hobby. If you want to start a miniatures hobby based on cost, you have to go to a different system. ALL of the GW products are over-priced. If you're going to do the GW thing they it's because you are in love with the games, because if price is a consideration then you're going to hate yourself for getting into it.