View Full Version : So Empire Spears or Halberds in 8th Edition?

10-07-2010, 05:11
I'm about to start assembling some State Troops and I was wondering what is the more effective unit to make, 20 halberds or 20 spears?

10-07-2010, 05:23
It hardly matters since their overall differences in performance are minor. Since you only have 20 guys though I'd go with Halberdiers (don't bother with shields), since the spearmen will lose attacks faster once you start taking casualties. I'd bump them up to 30 men either way at the earliest opportunity.

chamelion 6
10-07-2010, 05:23
I'm planning on building an Empire army for 8th an at the moment I'm thinking of trying some historical formationsand see how they work. I'm looking at a hoard of spearmen as the parent unit with 2 detachments of halberds for the flanks. Gonna take a little work to sort it out in detail but in theory the parent unit will not have flanks........

10-07-2010, 05:42

the plus 1 strength is worth it.

10-07-2010, 06:04
Personally, I prefer halberds. Especially a horde with a WP.

10-07-2010, 06:16
As a larger - not necessarily horde - unit, I think they are a wash. At only 20 models, halberds hands down.

10-07-2010, 06:25
Yeah, it's close enough that you should take whatever you find looks the best.

10-07-2010, 06:44
Halberds are styling though. Too bad they can't have shields anymore.

Lord Solar Plexus
10-07-2010, 06:50
30 Halberdiers, 5x6 / 30 Spearmen, 5x6

vs. S3 T3 - 5+/6++ Sv:

10 A at S4: 2.3 kills, 2.08 casualties
15 A at S3: 2.08 kills, 1.7 casualties

Spears win by .38, Halbs win by .22, net difference: .16 Spears are 20 % more expensive

vs T4

10 A at S4: 1.7 kills, 2.08 casualties
15 A at S3: 1.4 kills, 1.7 casualties

Halberdiers lose by .38, Spears lose by .3, net difference: .08

In this light, I personally would prefer Halberdiers. The difference is too small to justify the price increase. However, Spears benefit more from buffs, be that hatred or magical.

15-07-2010, 04:37
Halberds are styling though. Too bad they can't have shields anymore.

They can, but cannot use them in combat. It does, if I remember, still bump their armor save against shooting.

15-07-2010, 10:30
A horde of halberds with the ap banner and maybe a warrior priest too:D